Cuba

  • Koaa2

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    Dec 28, 2011 1:31 PM GMT
    I am going to Cuba in February, anyone been, have any hints on gay life, things to do there.
    Thanks
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    Dec 28, 2011 4:06 PM GMT
    Hmm I just traveled it for two weeks... I didnt look for anything gay... I remember meeting some gay people in a club though.. honestly there is enough to see there, I would just travel it... make sure to go to the Tropicana of course.. and just take a road trip....
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    Dec 28, 2011 4:14 PM GMT
    Cuban guys are hot.

    Both times I have been to Cuba I have been treated to wonderful hospitality and an amazing set of beaches. Too bad they live under an authoritarian regime that doesn't respect basic human rights.

    Read this: http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/5214/inside_cuba_gay_life_in_cuba/

    Then read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Cuba

    Enjoy your trip.
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    Dec 28, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
    Also, before I forget.. if people offer you a bed and a meal at their homes for payment.. TAKE IT!!! There is barely any crime at all in Cuba ( not really necessary since nobody is richer than everybody else ) ... so there is nothing to be feared... also, the hotels and restaurants for tourists give you foreign prices for food that and lodging that is far inferior to what people cook at home and have to offer you.... always stay with ppl if you can.. there will be plenty coming up to you to offer, so take it..

    When driving.. ALWAYS have a hitchhiker in your car... these people are poor, will not steal, and they have to often wait hours to get a ride from a truck.. the roads are full of only horses on cowboys, so the driving rules are, when one car passes the other, honk to announce you are passing... do not get pissed off if people honk.. the honking is a courtesy....
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    Dec 28, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
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    Haaretz saidCuban guys are hot.

    Both times I have been to Cuba I have been treated to wonderful hospitality and an amazing set of beaches. Too bad they live under an authoritarian regime that doesn't respect basic human rights.


    Be careful not to be misled by easy propaganda. Literacy, education, healthcare and social security are human rights too.


    Which are all very high... everyone has health care and a lot of people are well-educated, speaking several languages
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    Dec 28, 2011 7:15 PM GMT
    GreenHopper saidAlso, before I forget.. if people offer you a bed and a meal at their homes for payment.. TAKE IT!!! There is barely any crime at all in Cuba ( not really necessary since nobody is richer than everybody else ) ... so there is nothing to be feared... also, the hotels and restaurants for tourists give you foreign prices for food that and lodging that is far inferior to what people cook at home and have to offer you.... always stay with ppl if you can.. there will be plenty coming up to you to offer, so take it..

    When driving.. ALWAYS have a hitchhiker in your car... these people are poor, will not steal, and they have to often wait hours to get a ride from a truck.. the roads are full of only horses on cowboys, so the driving rules are, when one car passes the other, honk to announce you are passing... do not get pissed off if people honk.. the honking is a courtesy....


    LOL which part of Cuba did u go to?? There are no horses and cowboys in Havana City. But well that's about the only "city" in the whole country.

    I thought Americans were not allowed to visit Cuba. I'm so behind, when did Obama fix this?
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    Dec 28, 2011 8:26 PM GMT
    Haaretz saidCuban guys are hot.

    Both times I have been to Cuba I have been treated to wonderful hospitality and an amazing set of beaches. Too bad they live under an authoritarian regime that doesn't respect basic human rights.

    Read this: http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/5214/inside_cuba_gay_life_in_cuba/

    Then read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Cuba

    Enjoy your trip.


    lol Im Cuban, I lived there until I was 21 years old so I can tell you a thing or two for sure.

    Your first article is bullshit, sorry thats simply what it is, pure bullshit. Theres no organized hostility by the Cuban government agains the LGBT. Actually there are several places like Yara and Malecon in Cuba where many gay people gather up every weekend practically in the middle of the street, many of them are travesty...no cop goes there to arrest anyone thats just crap. Btw, these are very popular places where the police presence is quite high.

    Fidel Castro admitted there was a lot of hostility against the LGBT when the Cuban revolution started, he took all the blame for that, it was cruel, it was unfair, and he admitted so on Cuban National Television by also stating that ''Homosexuality is no danger, homohobia IS". Also the Cuban government organizes several marches against homophobia:

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/05/cuba-rally.html

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    Cuba today is by far a safer place for homosexuals than the USA. Im not sure if you know this but there is literally no place for organized religion in Cuba, which is the main thread to basic human rights. In Cuba you are allowed to be religious in your house and ultimately the church, nowhere else, not in your work place not in school, this is National Law. Your religious practices are respected, but your discriminatory religious views mean absolutely nothing and they CANNOT be used to justify discrimination.

    Bad things about Cuba:

    The Government is over controlling. You have freedom of speech but you have no freedom of organized speech, like gathering a bunch people in protest, that will just put you in jail. Its poor EVERYWHERE, pretty much everyone has the same social status, salaries are incredibly low to the point that you are better off selling pizza than going to Medical School. Besides if you become a Doctor or a Computer Scientist you are not allowed to leave the island in 5 years from the day you get your international VISA so that sucks. Food is barely affordable and if you dont like the way the government works you better grab a boat and find your way out cause everything is government owned. The economy is terrible and on top of that they have this huge embargo imposed by the biggest world's economy(US) that just makes it more difficult for Cuba to get basic supplies of food and medication from international imports. Also the US prohibits(us citizens) and limits(cuban citizens) the amount of money you can send to Cuba even if you have a child there, they also prohibit(us citizens) and limit(cuban citizen) to travel to the island. The main source of income in Cuba is tourism.

    Good things about Cuba:

    You have access to basic human rights, no questioning, no second thoughts, IT IS YOUR RIGHT to:

    1 - Get a complete education until your Doctors Degree at no charge

    2 - Access to Universal Health Care. No cards no payments, just your name and address. All surgeries are free, including plastic surgery(if you have a real problem that can affect you physiologically like a very big nose or massive ears ), sex change surgery and eye surgery.

    3 - To be granted shelter or housing. The price you pay for an apartment or house in Cuba is so low that you can cover your mortgage with a $1.00 US Dollard a month.

    4 - To be automatically covered in case of a national disaster such as hurricanes. Cubans pay no insurance.

    Cuba has the world's highest Education Index

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

    Has one the world's highest(2nd) literacy rate

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate

    One of the world's highest life expectancy(36th) index

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    One of the world's highest(2nd) doctors/physicians per capita ratio.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_phy_per_1000_peo-physicians-per-1-000-people


    So really poor, no food, with the longest embargo ever imposed on a country, these commies manage to kick the US's ass where it matters. Cuba is also the only developing country with 1st world social stats. BUT I took off, you have barely no room to grow there...economically, but facts are facts and I just feel like a lot of US citizen live severely misinformed about the reality in Cuba.


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    Dec 28, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
    Koaa if you are visiting havana there are a lot of gay places you check out, there are no "gay clubs" per say but most high end clubs have a gay night. I think the club "Macumba Havana" has their gay night on fridays. There are flyers and stuff where you can check exactly where it is happening, it will help a lot if you make friends with some local gay guys. Usual spots were gays like to just gather up and chill are "Yara" and "Malecon" this is located in "Vedado".

    Have fun! Im going too in two weeks icon_biggrin.gif with my boy, he is finally gonna meet my mom and friends there.
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    Dec 29, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    GreenHopper saidAlso, before I forget.. if people offer you a bed and a meal at their homes for payment.. TAKE IT!!! There is barely any crime at all in Cuba ( not really necessary since nobody is richer than everybody else ) ... so there is nothing to be feared... also, the hotels and restaurants for tourists give you foreign prices for food that and lodging that is far inferior to what people cook at home and have to offer you.... always stay with ppl if you can.. there will be plenty coming up to you to offer, so take it..

    When driving.. ALWAYS have a hitchhiker in your car... these people are poor, will not steal, and they have to often wait hours to get a ride from a truck.. the roads are full of only horses on cowboys, so the driving rules are, when one car passes the other, honk to announce you are passing... do not get pissed off if people honk.. the honking is a courtesy....


    LOL which part of Cuba did u go to?? There are no horses and cowboys in Havana City. But well that's about the only "city" in the whole country.

    I thought Americans were not allowed to visit Cuba. I'm so behind, when did Obama fix this?


    The ROADS babe.. the ROADS!!! we went on a road trip all the way past Spiritus Sanctus I think up to Camaguey if I remember correctly and back.. and I did see Americans in Cuba... all you need to do is fly to the Bahamas or Jamaica or Santo Domingo, from there the US cannot stop you from entering Cuba... you just cant fly there directly
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    Dec 29, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
    Shawnathan saidI would love to spend some more time in Cuba. I study agricultural sustainability - Cuba is an amazing case study.


    It is.. and notwithstanding I adore Cuba and its my favourite Caribbean island to visit... there are some bad points as far as sustainability is concerned... namely that for its agriculture, the government decided to basically destroy all of its rainforest for farmland... there is no pristine tropical rainforest left on cuba, at least from what I have seen and was told by my cuban teachers.. however.. there is a good deal of pretty much undeveloped coastline with mangrove that is quite pristine and provides great snorkeling.. this thanks to the embargo, which prevented mainstream beach tourism from destroying much of the coast as it has on most other islands....
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    Dec 29, 2011 2:04 AM GMT
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    charlitos said
    GreenHopper saidAlso, before I forget.. if people offer you a bed and a meal at their homes for payment.. TAKE IT!!! There is barely any crime at all in Cuba ( not really necessary since nobody is richer than everybody else ) ... so there is nothing to be feared... also, the hotels and restaurants for tourists give you foreign prices for food that and lodging that is far inferior to what people cook at home and have to offer you.... always stay with ppl if you can.. there will be plenty coming up to you to offer, so take it..

    When driving.. ALWAYS have a hitchhiker in your car... these people are poor, will not steal, and they have to often wait hours to get a ride from a truck.. the roads are full of only horses on cowboys, so the driving rules are, when one car passes the other, honk to announce you are passing... do not get pissed off if people honk.. the honking is a courtesy....


    LOL which part of Cuba did u go to?? There are no horses and cowboys in Havana City. But well that's about the only "city" in the whole country.

    I thought Americans were not allowed to visit Cuba. I'm so behind, when did Obama fix this?


    I appreciate all the good things you've had to say about Cuba Charlitos, and yes it is important that Americans get the right information about the country, but Havana the only city? What about Santiago de Cuba, Camagüey, Holguín, Santa Clara, Guantánamo, Bayamo, Victoria de Las Tunas, Cienfuegos, Manzanillo, Pinar del Río, Matanzas, Ciego de Avila, Sancti Spiritus, Cardenas, and Palma Soriano, just to mention the big ones?

    CharlitosBad things about Cuba...
    they have this huge embargo imposed by the biggest world's economy(US) that just makes it more difficult for Cuba to get basic supplies of food and medication from international imports. Also the US prohibits(us citizens) and limits(cuban citizens) the amount of money you can send to Cuba even if you have a child there, they also prohibit(us citizens) and limit(cuban citizen) to travel to the island.


    This is all true but do you think a lot of the 'bad points' you mention might stem from (or at least be aggravated by) the illegal blockade?
    I mean, Britain was no kind of 'democracy' when Hitler was at the Channel Ports. The besieged Gaza Strip of today is not exactly an oasis of human rights. After 50 years of relentless superpower terrorism, sabotage, and endless plots to kill him and those around him, surely you can't blame Fidel for being a bit edgy. Or for being concerned that too much relaxation might provide his enemies with a foothold in the country.
    On the other hand, wouldn't you agree that the 'good points' you listed are almost entirely to the credit of the Cuban government, working tirelessly for 53 years under the most difficult of circumstances?

    I say (albeit with a few qualifications and personal disagreements of my own), Viva Fidel.


    Havana is not the only city, but the difference between Havana and any other Cuban city is quite radical with Santiago de Cuba as the second biggest city. Havana is the only city where you dont see horses in the middle of the street as a regular mean of transportation. That is why i said it was the only "city" its more of a personal point of view.

    Yes, a lot of the problems currently existing in Cuba with lack of food and medication is mostly due to the embargo. I dont blame Fidel, Im not even sure how he is still alive, he has a book on how many times they tried to kill him(organized crime straight from the Miami mafia). When you see a poor country like Cuba being able to pull such social stats, theres absolutely something right the Communist Party has been able to achieve which leaves no excuse whatsoever for countries like the USA to have such horrible performance in comparison. I simply wanted to show the bad and the good, without being biased, i fully respect the man Fidel Castro Ruiz is.
  • Timbales

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    Dec 29, 2011 2:07 AM GMT
    I'd like to go to Cuba someday with my husband, he'd like to see what he can remember from when he was a child. He was born there, him and his parents were in one of the last groups allowed to leave by Castro. But as an American citizen, we can't go legally and if he was detained for any reason, we'd be screwed since he was born there.
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    Timbales saidI'd like to go to Cuba someday with my husband, he'd like to see what he can remember from when he was a child. He was born there, him and his parents were in one of the last groups allowed to leave by Castro. But as an American citizen, we can't go legally and if he was detained for any reason, we'd be screwed since he was born there.


    I thought Cubans could not re-enter Cuba... Charlitos, how are you getting back in?
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    Dec 29, 2011 2:14 AM GMT
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    Timbales saidI'd like to go to Cuba someday with my husband, he'd like to see what he can remember from when he was a child. He was born there, him and his parents were in one of the last groups allowed to leave by Castro. But as an American citizen, we can't go legally and if he was detained for any reason, we'd be screwed since he was born there.


    I thought Cubans could not re-enter Cuba... Charlitos, how are you getting back in?


    If you leave the island legally you can go back as many times as you please(I left legally). Only if you leave illegally it might be a bit more difficult, my dad left illegally but he was still allowed to visit with the right documentation. However Cuba does not recognize dual citizenship, to re-enter Cuba you have to show your updated Cuban passport even if you have a dual citizenship in other country as a Cuban you never lose your citizenship status.
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    Dec 29, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
    ^ my teachers said they would not be allowed back.. they keep records of names of people that are no longer allowed in... dunno how it works.... but that is interesting
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    Dec 29, 2011 2:24 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said^ my teachers said they would not be allowed back.. they keep records of names of people that are no longer allowed in... dunno how it works.... but that is interesting



    If they are no longer allowed back in they must have left in a "criminal" way. Usually by kidnapping a plane, a boat or putting other cuban's lives in danger. Im not sure about what the circumstances were but you are allowed back in Cuba as long you leave legally or follow up protocol if you left any other way. Also if they are in the US, it becomes more difficult to be allowed back by the Cuban Government if you left illegally, mainly due to the fact that illegal cuban immigrants in the US are usually the ones involved in the majority of terrorist acts organized against the island including several attempts of murder of the Cuban President. If they left legally but they are not allowed to go back, they either refuse to update their Cuban passport and are trying to travel with an American passport or the US government does not allow them to go to Cuba.

    I may be wrong but I think your teacher also lied to you about no rainforests existing in Cuba theres Las Terrazas and also Zapata Swamp.



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    What makes a rainforest tho? There are so many mountains in Cuba fully covered with vegetation.
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    Dec 29, 2011 3:57 AM GMT
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    GreenHopper said^ my teachers said they would not be allowed back.. they keep records of names of people that are no longer allowed in... dunno how it works.... but that is interesting


    I may be wrong but I think your teacher also lied to you about no rainforests existing in Cuba theres Las Terrazas and also Zapata Swamp.


    Possibly... I didnt check up on it, but thats what I was told... I also remember not seeing any on my drive through... unusual for a Caribbean island.. as they tend to be plentiful on the north side on most mountainous islands....
  • tuffguyndc

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    Dec 29, 2011 4:05 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    Pouncer said
    Haaretz saidCuban guys are hot.

    Both times I have been to Cuba I have been treated to wonderful hospitality and an amazing set of beaches. Too bad they live under an authoritarian regime that doesn't respect basic human rights.


    Be careful not to be misled by easy propaganda. Literacy, education, healthcare and social security are human rights too.


    Which are all very high... everyone has health care and a lot of people are well-educated, speaking several languages
    I am glad someone said something because it baffles me why people seem to think that is such a bad place in terms of human rights. The reason they are in bad shape is because of the embargo act. which i think is a load crap but that is just me. i hope you have fun in cuba. i would love to go there one day
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    Dec 29, 2011 4:14 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    Haaretz saidCuban guys are hot.

    Both times I have been to Cuba I have been treated to wonderful hospitality and an amazing set of beaches. Too bad they live under an authoritarian regime that doesn't respect basic human rights.

    Read this: http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/5214/inside_cuba_gay_life_in_cuba/

    Then read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Cuba

    Enjoy your trip.


    lol Im Cuban, I lived there until I was 21 years old so I can tell you a thing or two for sure.

    Your first article is bullshit, sorry thats simply what it is, pure bullshit. Theres no organized hostility by the Cuban government agains the LGBT. Actually there are several places like Yara and Malecon in Cuba where many gay people gather up every weekend practically in the middle of the street, many of them are travesty...no cop goes there to arrest anyone thats just crap. Btw, these are very popular places where the police presence is quite high.

    Fidel Castro admitted there was a lot of hostility against the LGBT when the Cuban revolution started, he took all the blame for that, it was cruel, it was unfair, and he admitted so on Cuban National Television by also stating that ''Homosexuality is no danger, homohobia IS". Also the Cuban government organizes several marches against homophobia:

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/05/cuba-rally.html

    6a00d8341c730253ef0133edb27c1a970b.jpg

    g1.jpg

    Cuba today is by far a safer place for homosexuals than the USA. Im not sure if you know this but there is literally no place for organized religion in Cuba, which is the main thread to basic human rights. In Cuba you are allowed to be religious in your house and ultimately the church, nowhere else, not in your work place not in school, this is National Law. Your religious practices are respected, but your discriminatory religious views mean absolutely nothing and they CANNOT be used to justify discrimination.

    Bad things about Cuba:

    The Government is over controlling. You have freedom of speech but you have no freedom of organized speech, like gathering a bunch people in protest, that will just put you in jail. Its poor EVERYWHERE, pretty much everyone has the same social status, salaries are incredibly low to the point that you are better off selling pizza than going to Medical School. Besides if you become a Doctor or a Computer Scientist you are not allowed to leave the island in 5 years from the day you get your international VISA so that sucks. Food is barely affordable and if you dont like the way the government works you better grab a boat and find your way out cause everything is government owned. The economy is terrible and on top of that they have this huge embargo imposed by the biggest world's economy(US) that just makes it more difficult for Cuba to get basic supplies of food and medication from international imports. Also the US prohibits(us citizens) and limits(cuban citizens) the amount of money you can send to Cuba even if you have a child there, they also prohibit(us citizens) and limit(cuban citizen) to travel to the island. The main source of income in Cuba is tourism.

    Good things about Cuba:

    You have access to basic human rights, no questioning, no second thoughts, IT IS YOUR RIGHT to:

    1 - Get a complete education until your Doctors Degree at no charge

    2 - Access to Universal Health Care. No cards no payments, just your name and address. All surgeries are free, including plastic surgery(if you have a real problem that can affect you physiologically like a very big nose or massive ears ), sex change surgery and eye surgery.

    3 - To be granted shelter or housing. The price you pay for an apartment or house in Cuba is so low that you can cover your mortgage with a $1.00 US Dollard a month.

    4 - To be automatically covered in case of a national disaster such as hurricanes. Cubans pay no insurance.

    Cuba has the world's highest Education Index

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

    Has one the world's highest(2nd) literacy rate

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate

    One of the world's highest life expectancy(36th) index

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    One of the world's highest(2nd) doctors/physicians per capita ratio.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_phy_per_1000_peo-physicians-per-1-000-people


    So really poor, no food, with the longest embargo ever imposed on a country, these commies manage to kick the US's ass where it matters. Cuba is also the only developing country with 1st world social stats. BUT I took off, you have barely no room to grow there...economically, but facts are facts and I just feel like a lot of US citizen live severely misinformed about the reality in Cuba.


    charlitos, I appreciate you speaking up for Cuba because I have heard many many many stories about Cuba. Mostly from Americans but I have had the opportunity to meet a few Cubans and they all speak a different story. Which is different from what we here in the papers or on the news. I know that Cuba can not be that bad if they have some of the best Doctors in the world. I also heard the people are some of the most beautiful in the world. That alone makes me want to go visit. icon_lol.gif
  • Koaa2

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    Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM GMT
    Appreciate all of the replys. You can go to Cuba for educational or religious reasons. Some tour companies are sponsoring tours with this in mind. I am looking forward to it. I will be in Havana and Cienfuegos, am looking forward to it.
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    Koaa2 saidAppreciate all of the replys. You can go to Cuba for educational or religious reasons. Some tour companies are sponsoring tours with this in mind. I am looking forward to it. I will be in Havana and Cienfuegos, am looking forward to it.


    Cienfuegos is close to the Bay of Pigs, that should be an American educational experience.
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  • Suetonius

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    Jan 05, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
    Take along some spark plugs for old american cars. They are worth their weight and gold. An amazing gift - or who knows what services someone would trade for them.