Obama / Clinton

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    Dec 29, 2011 6:41 AM GMT

    http://www.businessinsider.com/my-political-prediction-for-2012-its-obama-clinton-2011-12

    I agree. I still expect this to happen.
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    Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
    These two will win too !! Most importantly they'll take every opportunity they possibly can to avoid the war with Iran, as the NEO CON's are again pushing for. This in total contrast to the Republican NEO CON and Israeli Lobby lap dogs trying to run a race between themselves on who can be the most outspoken war supporters.

    Ron Paul's ideas on Foreign Policy would be much more in line with actual US interests and he has a lot of other good Ideas. But its not going to happen, so Obama and Clinton would be the most moderate on the very important war issues and where civil rights/personal liberties are concerned as apposed to these shills the repubs are running.
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    Dec 29, 2011 7:19 AM GMT
    One more time. I've said this to you many times. I want NOTHING to do with you. I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to discuss anything with you. Stop following me around. And don't email me. You got it? Thank you
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    Dec 29, 2011 7:33 AM GMT
    If Clinton joins Obama as VP, then she will be a shoe in for President in 2016.




    Geezer, stick to your subject and stop making false accusations. such actions make you look bad
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    Dec 29, 2011 8:02 AM GMT
    realifedad said If Clinton joins Obama as VP, then she will be a shoe in for President in 2016.




    Geezer, stick to your subject and stop making false accusations. such actions make you look bad



    You're absolutely right that if Hillary is the vp for obamas second term, she'll be elected president in 2016.
    But my expectation is that Obama won't need Hillary on the ticket to win this November.
    He'll win pretty easily no matter who the vp is on the ticket - and no matter who is the repub nominee.

    And I think Hillary will get elected president in 2016 whether she's on the 2012 ticket or not too.

    You're also right about geezer.
    He's just making himself look bad.


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    Dec 29, 2011 11:55 AM GMT
    realifedad said If Clinton joins Obama as VP, then she will be a shoe in for President in 2016.




    Geezer, stick to your subject and stop making false accusations. such actions make you look bad


    She has said no to a 2016 run, but Chelsea Clinton will be 36 in 2016 and old enough to be President (the age requirement is 35). So maybe Chelsea will run.
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    Dec 29, 2011 12:42 PM GMT
    I'd rather have had Hillary as President in the first place. But that not having happened, VP would help the 2012 ticket, and I think she'd be a better one than Biden has been. Not sure of her ambitions in 2016, when she'll be getting up in years.
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    Dec 29, 2011 12:59 PM GMT
    I don't see this happening. First, two Senate confirmations would be involved, which means a political circus. Second, you don't mess with success. Clinton has done well as SOS...and Biden is very well liked by moderates, liberals and swing voters.

    It would have made more sense for Bush to swap Cheney for Rice. But Karl Rove would have nipped that in the bud, even with Cheney's health problems and high negatives.
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    Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI'd rather have had Hillary as President in the first place. But that not having happened, VP would help the 2012 ticket, and I think she'd be a better one than Biden has been. Not sure of her ambitions in 2016, when she'll be getting up in years.




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    Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidOne more time. I've said this to you many times. I want NOTHING to do with you. I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to discuss anything with you. Stop following me around. And don't email me. You got it? Thank you


    I'm no expert on these things, but... doesn't this site allow you to just block him?

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    Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM GMT
    Well of course I would have originally encouraged a "Clinton/Obama" ticket.....
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    Dec 29, 2011 2:26 PM GMT
    Squarepeg saidI'm no expert on these things, but... doesn't this site allow you to just block him?

    Yes, but forum blocking/ignoring is not very effective. You still see the blocked person's posts if another unblocked member uses the quote function with him. But on the other hand, if they're not quoted then it can be frustrating to read the references to blocked posts by others, that you're not able to understand out of context.

    I have zero members ignored in the forums for this reason. I do have a number blocked from emailing me, however.
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    Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidOne more time. I've said this to you many times. I want NOTHING to do with you. I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to discuss anything with you. Stop following me around. And don't email me. You got it? Thank you


    I'm no expert on these things, but... doesn't this site allow you to just block him?



    I have never blocked anyone until now. Doesn't much work.
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    Dec 29, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
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    Squarepeg saidI'm no expert on these things, but... doesn't this site allow you to just block him?

    Yes, but forum blocking/ignoring is not very effective. You still see the blocked person's posts if another unblocked member uses the quote function with him. But on the other hand, if they're not quoted then it can be frustrating to read the references to blocked posts by others, that you're not able to understand out of context.

    I have zero members ignored in the forums for this reason. I do have a number blocked from emailing me, however.


    ^^^^^^^ correct.
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    Dec 29, 2011 3:18 PM GMT

    I'm really sorry the Republicans don't have a great candidate (so far). The right leader (and think Huntsman fits the bill) will know how to work WITH the other side. Really, if you stop to think of it, the two sides working together could probably achieve just about anything. Like two Percherons pulling a wagon.

    Right now it seems the wagon (USA) has a horse (political party) harnessed up at both the front and the back, pulling in opposing directions. If the horses are strong enough, just what do you think will happen to the wagon?

    -Doug
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    Dec 29, 2011 3:33 PM GMT
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    I'm really sorry the Republicans don't have a great candidate (so far). The right leader (and think Huntsman fits the bill) will know how to work WITH the other side. Really, if you stop to think of it, the two sides working together could probably achieve just about anything. Like two Percherons pulling a wagon.

    Right now it seems the wagon (USA) has a horse (political party) harnessed up at both the front and the back, pulling in opposing directions. If the horses are strong enough, just what do you think will happen to the wagon?

    -Doug

    The odds are Romney will be the candidate. He has a history of working successfully with both sides when he was governor.
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    Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
    That's too bad, given that he's willing to sacrifice public integrity and sign pledges to go after minorities, in this case, gay people.
    For the record, I'm repeating basically what my Republican straight Aunt in Orange County said.

    -Doug
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    meninlove said
    I'm really sorry the Republicans don't have a great candidate (so far). The right leader (and think Huntsman fits the bill) will know how to work WITH the other side. Really, if you stop to think of it, the two sides working together could probably achieve just about anything. Like two Percherons pulling a wagon.

    Right now it seems the wagon (USA) has a horse (political party) harnessed up at both the front and the back, pulling in opposing directions. If the horses are strong enough, just what do you think will happen to the wagon?

    -Doug


    Not incorrect. Gingrich has been doing what he does best and that is shooting his mouth off in a way that the media can take out of context in 30 sec sound bites such as the US Marshalls coming to get the judges. He can’t do this grandiose theorizing because it becomes ripe for the picking. So back to Romney and some hopes that Huntsman can pull a miracle.
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    Dec 29, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    One other comment about whether the Republicans have a great candidate or not. Aside from individual likes or dislikes, if you study history, you will know that often during primaries, especially when there is a large field, no one candidate will be considered especially strong because of all the infighting that occurs as part of the primary process.
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    Dec 29, 2011 3:55 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidOne other comment about whether the Republicans have a great candidate or not. Aside from individual likes or dislikes, if you study history, you will know that often during primaries, especially when there is a large field, no one candidate will be considered especially strong because of all the infighting that occurs as part of the primary process.


    Its needs to remembered that 2008 on the Dem side wasn’t settled until June 2008 and there was a shitload of hard feelings. Nothing different on this side although I don't think this will drag out until June 2012.
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    Dec 29, 2011 4:09 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidOne other comment about whether the Republicans have a great candidate or not. Aside from individual likes or dislikes, if you study history, you will know that often during primaries, especially when there is a large field, no one candidate will be considered especially strong because of all the infighting that occurs as part of the primary process.


    Its needs to remembered that 2008 on the Dem side wasn’t settled until June 2008 and there was a shitload of hard feelings. Nothing different on this side although I don't think this will drag out until June 2012.

    Absolutely correct. In some cases, infighting can be damaging, but generally the hard feelings are put aside and most unite behind the candidate, especially if the opposition is, to most, undesirable. The baggage and dirty linen gets exposed, vetted, analyzed early, often losing effectiveness in the general election when it is considered tired, old news.
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    socalfitness saidOne other comment about whether the Republicans have a great candidate or not. Aside from individual likes or dislikes, if you study history, you will know that often during primaries, especially when there is a large field, no one candidate will be considered especially strong because of all the infighting that occurs as part of the primary process.


    Its needs to remembered that 2008 on the Dem side wasn’t settled until June 2008 and there was a shitload of hard feelings. Nothing different on this side although I don't think this will drag out until June 2012.

    Absolutely correct. In some cases, infighting can be damaging, but generally the hard feelings are put aside and most unite behind the candidate, especially if the opposition is, to most, undesirable. The baggage and dirty linen gets exposed, vetted, analyzed early, often losing effectiveness in the general election when it is considered tired, old news.



    True, remember that we had Jerry Brown to thank for Whitewater. This always happens and we 'generally' get beyond it after the convention. At this time in the cycle, it always seems impossible that we will.

    Remember, this is nothing new. JFK versus Johnson. Rockefeller versus Goldwater. Johnson versus RFK. Reagan versus Ford. Carter versus Kennedy. We'll get through it, although somedays I wonder.
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    Dec 29, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    realifedad said If Clinton joins Obama as VP, then she will be a shoe in for President in 2016.



    The only problem with this scenario is that I truly believe that Hillary Clinton is done with politics by her own choosing. Not only does she seem tired, she looks REALLY tired. I think this woman has worked hard the past 10 years, plus served 8 years as First lady. I don't really think she wants to be V.P., pr even President anymore. I suspect all she really wants is a vacation....a very long vacation...retire...maybe write a book. The Democrats blew it BIG time by not picking her over Obama, so that Obama could have been the more appropriate office of V.P., which would have likely set him up nicely in 2016 to be President. However, shoulda-woulda-coulda isn't going to make Hillary want to take on a campaign on 2012 that she probably isn;t all that passionate about in the first place. You have to REALLY want it.
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    Dec 29, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    meninlove said That's too bad, given that he's willing to sacrifice public integrity and sign pledges to go after minorities, in this case, gay people.

    -Doug



    I don't believe this for a second. I think politicians have to do what they have to do to FIRST get the nomination, and then SECOND win the General Elections. Politicians, once elected, break promises, pledges, whatever all the time chalking it up to their "opinion evolving" or simply that they had "changed their mind". I do not believe at all that a President Mitt Romney will be throwing gays under the bus.
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    Dec 29, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
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    meninlove said That's too bad, given that he's willing to sacrifice public integrity and sign pledges to go after minorities, in this case, gay people.
    -Doug

    I don't believe this for a second. I think politicians have to do what they have to do to FIRST get the nomination, and then SECOND win the General Elections. Politicians, once elected, break promises, pledges, whatever all the time chalking it up to their "opinion evolving" or simply that they had "changed their mind". I do not believe at all that a President Mitt Romney will be throwing gays under the bus.

    I think you are absolutely correct. What drives many in the gay community is a combination of 1) focus on the specific issue, sometimes to the point of hysteria, and 2) using the gay issue as a lever to support and motivate others to support a far left political agenda.