Michigan man may have intentionally infected hundreds with HIV, both men and women

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    Dec 30, 2011 10:52 PM GMT
    Casual hook-ups can bring you into contact with sociopaths like this guy. Safe sex, always. And perhaps a little discretion in whom we take to bed.

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    Dec 31, 2011 6:49 AM GMT
    Can't believe anyone had sex with him in the first place.
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    Dec 31, 2011 6:53 AM GMT
    someguy saidCan't believe anyone had sex with him in the first place.

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    and hundreds of people to boot icon_confused.gif

    People, this is why you should always use condoms. Just saying ~
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    Dec 31, 2011 6:55 AM GMT
    someguy saidCan't believe anyone had sex with him in the first place.


    This.
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    Dec 31, 2011 7:00 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidDang, he knows he had sex with as many as 3,000 people and with the intent to infect them?

    I'm going to assume that not all of them engaged in sex with David (the charged suspect) without a condom. If that is the case then the problem is with people allowing themselves to engage in anonymous sex without using protection.


    But if he provides the condom, he might poke little holes in them if he really wanted to infect others. Well if that's the case then it'd be really seriously messed up. icon_sad.gif
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    Dec 31, 2011 7:01 AM GMT
    someguy saidCan't believe anyone had sex with him in the first place.


    Wow. That would REALLY have to be anonymous ... Like UNCONCIOUS. Yuck.
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    Dec 31, 2011 7:41 AM GMT
    someguy saidCan't believe anyone had sex with him in the first place.

    True, but I can think of some unsafe sex scenarios that could have happened with this guy.

    - Drunk and/or drug use, where the victim is passed out or mostly impaired. I've even read stories here where guys admit to not remembering exactly what happened the night before in bed. I also recall a sign at the Minneapolis Eagle years ago: "Drink till he's cute." (I later had it on the back of one of my motorcycles as a sticker) It happens.

    - Bathhouse sex. In a darkened steamroom, and especially in my case without my eyeglasses on, I could be having sex with Quasimodo and not know it.

    - Glory hole sex. More usually for blowjobs, but I've seen fucks that way, too, where you never even see the guy's face.

    It'll be interesting to see if his number claims are verified. If he really is mentally unbalanced, his story may be an exaggeration. But it seems there's some evidence of at least a few cases with him. A dangerous place out there, guys.
  • MisterT

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    Dec 31, 2011 7:59 AM GMT
    there are many reasons i don't do hookups.

    Not into drug use, or even poppers, if a guy needs drugs to have sex with me, I don't want him..

    And i feel bathhouses and glory holes are disgusting, and std pits. My opinion, and it has worked for me. Not saying i won't be friends with someone who visits them, i just won't take it past friends.
  • Rolland

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    Dec 31, 2011 8:06 AM GMT
    thats so sad/horrible of him to do that... more than anything its like hurting your own kind, gay men that is. If anything I would think he would become an advocate of using protection after finding out he had it to protect the rest of us instead of trying to take down as many people as he can... sad icon_cry.gif
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    Rolland saidthats so sad/horrible of him to do that... more than anything its like hurting your own kind, gay men that is. If anything I would think he would become an advocate of using protection after finding out he had it to protect the rest of us instead of trying to take down as many people as he can... sad icon_cry.gif

    I really don't know what his orientation is. He seems to have been having a fair amount of sex with women as well as men.
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    Dec 31, 2011 8:15 AM GMT
    Safe Sex Guys!!
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    Dec 31, 2011 8:21 AM GMT
    doubleyou said
    Art_Deco saidCasual hook-ups can bring you into contact with sociopaths like this guy. Safe sex, always. And perhaps a little discretion in whom we take to bed.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/30/9833291-michigan-man-may-have-intentionally-infected-hundreds-with-hiv

    If these people were monogamous in the first place, there wouldn't have been the possibility of infection. Promiscuity is what raises the probability for infection, regardless of how "safe" gay men are.

    Only partly true, as it appears to apply in this case with this guy. But it's a little more complicated than that. There are people who are monogamous and innocently become HIV poz, because it's their partner who cheats, breaking their pledge of monogamy without the other partner's knowledge.

    That happened to my late partner before I met him. His partner at the time cheated, got HIV, didn't tell my future partner, infecting him, too. AIDS eventually killed them both. (I knew my future partner was poz, practiced safe sex with him, and I remain negative).

    So yes, promiscuity can be a factor, but not every victim of HIV/AIDS has been promiscuous themselves.
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    Dec 31, 2011 8:25 AM GMT
    doubleyou said
    Art_Deco saidCasual hook-ups can bring you into contact with sociopaths like this guy. Safe sex, always. And perhaps a little discretion in whom we take to bed.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/30/9833291-michigan-man-may-have-intentionally-infected-hundreds-with-hiv


    If these people were monogamous in the first place, there wouldn't have been the possibility of infection. Promiscuity is what raises the probability for infection, regardless of how "safe" gay men are.


    Yes. And gay men are the only ones who transmit STDs
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    Dec 31, 2011 8:40 AM GMT
    I can't believe hundreds actually came close to him. He looks old ugly and sickly both physical and mentally. Also I can't believe people still think it's OK to have unsafe sex. Disgusting pigs.
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    Dec 31, 2011 8:49 AM GMT
    wow... this is so disgusting. I feel sick just knowing that there are people like this guy out there.

    I agree with the above comments though - safe sex ALWAYS.
  • melloyello

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    Dec 31, 2011 12:12 PM GMT
    Thats a scary thought. I like how most of the comments are that the guy is ugly. Let me tell you a scarier story....

    I know a guy (NOT a friend) whos buff, blond and blue. He was a stripper at my bar for a long time and is now in law enforcement. He's very charming and will fuck anything with muscles thats under 25 and tell them he's "neg" (basing this on his last HIV test, which occurred in around 2006). I know for a fact that he is not but his attitude is "If they'll let me fuck them bare I will, and if not, well we don't fuck." He says 90% of the time a guy will, under either coercement or threat of no sex, will let him go bb.

    Thats scary.......
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    doubleyou said
    Art_Deco saidCasual hook-ups can bring you into contact with sociopaths like this guy. Safe sex, always. And perhaps a little discretion in whom we take to bed.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/30/9833291-michigan-man-may-have-intentionally-infected-hundreds-with-hiv


    If these people were monogamous in the first place, there wouldn't have been the possibility of infection. Promiscuity is what raises the probability for infection, regardless of how "safe" gay men are.
    Uh.. lemme make a fact VERY clear here to you..


    The dude at the center of this article is fucking WOMEN.. that means he's STRAIGHT, regardless of how 'promiscuous' "gay" men are.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 31, 2011 9:23 PM GMT
    I know it's silly, but things like this are what keep me from dating or hooking up. You just never know with some people.
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    Dec 31, 2011 10:25 PM GMT
    PipHop saidI know it's silly, but things like this are what keep me from dating or hooking up. You just never know with some people.

    I'm not sure becoming a sexual recluse is the answer, but rather assessing risk reasonably, and acting accordingly.
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    Dec 31, 2011 10:49 PM GMT
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    doubleyou said
    Art_Deco saidCasual hook-ups can bring you into contact with sociopaths like this guy. Safe sex, always. And perhaps a little discretion in whom we take to bed.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/30/9833291-michigan-man-may-have-intentionally-infected-hundreds-with-hiv


    If these people were monogamous in the first place, there wouldn't have been the possibility of infection. Promiscuity is what raises the probability for infection, regardless of how "safe" gay men are.
    Uh.. lemme make a fact VERY clear here to you..


    The dude at the center of this article is fucking WOMEN.. that means he's STRAIGHT, regardless of how 'promiscuous' "gay" men are.icon_rolleyes.gif


    actually the article does state that this psychopath was sleeping with both men and women... I guess in an effort to infect as many people as he could.
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    Dec 31, 2011 10:51 PM GMT
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    someguy saidCan't believe anyone had sex with him in the first place.


    Wow. That would REALLY have to be anonymous ... Like UNCONCIOUS. Yuck.


    No- one step up. We're talking glory hole here.
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    Dec 31, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    Bullwinklemoos said
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    someguy saidCan't believe anyone had sex with him in the first place.

    Wow. That would REALLY have to be anonymous ... Like UNCONCIOUS. Yuck.

    No- one step up. We're talking glory hole here.

    Yeah, I mentioned glory hole above, and a few other scenarios.

    But here's another consideration: he may have looked a lot better a few years ago, since he's allegedly been doing this for some time. He has HIV and perhaps AIDS himself, and with poor treatment his physical appearance could have recently begun to deteriorate. Failing mental health can also take a toll on a person's facial appearance, and there seems to be some indication of that in his case.

    Meaning that spooky-looking guys are not the only ones we need to fear as sex partners. The worst thing you can do is judge that sexual risk book by its cover. "But he looked healthy" have been the last words of too many gays who have fallen to AIDS.
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    Dec 31, 2011 11:09 PM GMT
    I seen this time and time agin in the 1980s and 90s, and it still goes on. A gun to the head would be more humane. Yet we talk about the abuse we receive from straits and the religus, yet many just want to overlook our very own dark shameful past. Where gays and bi's went out of their way to infect others with the HIV virus, thus kill many of their brothers; half and full.

    The shame of it all; where is the love?
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    Dec 31, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    This sociopath never should have been able to get as far as he did with his little quest of vengeance, but he was able to by preying on the shortcomings of others. Wrap it up in a pretty bow and present it anyway you like but it is what it is.

    And now we get to spend the next 20-30 years paying for his medical bills and living expenses in whatever prison or mental health center they stick this waste of space in.

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    Gooo America!
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    Dec 31, 2011 11:59 PM GMT
    Sk8Tex saidThis sociopath never should have been able to get as far as he did with his little quest of vengeance, but he was able to by preying on the shortcomings of others. Wrap it up in a pretty bow and present it anyway you like but it is what it is.

    And now we get to spend the next 20-30 years paying for his medical bills and living expenses in whatever prison or mental health center they stick this waste of space in.

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    Gooo America!

    And don't forget the expenses of those he infected. Their care will fall on our health system, whether it's through insurance plans, or Medicare, or the cumulative & invisible effect of greater stress on the entire system. His crimes make us all his victims.