'It's Official: Gay Is the New Black'

  • metta

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    Jan 03, 2012 4:34 AM GMT
    'It's Official: Gay Is the New Black'


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/monique-ruffin/gay-civil-rights_b_1168897.html
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    Jan 03, 2012 12:37 PM GMT
    A huff-po opinion piece? I can't wait to read their comments section.
  • honeybadger

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    Jan 03, 2012 12:54 PM GMT
    Great Article! I can relate to her frustration and bewilderment at the black communities un-acceptance of the LGBT community. While I may have not directly experienced this with members of my immediate family, I have felt the disapproval and judgement of my fringe relatives.

    Although, I do remember thinking when I was younger and coming out that I wouldn't need the black community because of the acceptance I would definitely receive from the "diverse" LGBT community. Sadly,it has been my experience to find this community also has issues within of accepting diversity. I don't really consider myself apart of either.

    I would prefer the LGBT community if it were more inclusive and representative of ALL of it's diverse members.

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    Jan 03, 2012 1:05 PM GMT
    I think it wrong that there are those who want to confuse the Civil Right with people wanting access to a hetrosexual institution of marriage. We even have bisexual men who have had a number of wives and feel hard done by that they can do it agin because of their lifestyle choice.

    Many Many homosexuals and bi's for that matter ha the ability to hid their sexuality, and love too. But you telling me if a Black fella was to walk into a whits bar, he could blend in like us poofs can no. Thus the two should not be confused and gay is not the new Black. In fact It's Gold and Bona Fide.

    I don' need a piece of paper to know I am loved, or to have ownership of another: Thats my husband you are talking toicon_rolleyes.gif

    I'm in a 20+ year relationship, and thats all that matters, not having access to the hetrosexual institution of marriage. I already have the ring and the man thats good enough for us.
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    Jan 03, 2012 1:06 PM GMT
    Honeybadger said
    Although, I do remember thinking when I was younger and coming out that I wouldn't need the black community because of the acceptance I would definitely receive from the "diverse" LGBT community. Sadly,it has been my experience to find this community also has issues within of accepting diversity. I don't really consider myself apart of either.



    This is broadly true... but I wonder why any of us expect it to be otherwise.

    Think about the kinds of things that bind groups together. Families, religions, nations, and to some extent ethnicities have shared values, shared histories, and other kinds of bonds which make them communities. What does the gay community in the United States have except "I also have sex with men"? Is that kind of puerile similarity really a basis for a binding and cohesive community? Am I in community with black men from Mississippi, Vietnamese men from Seattle, and Jewish guys from New York, all because we like dick?

    The gay community isn't cohesive because there isn't really a bedrock by which it can cohere... especially if it cuts across much more deeply-rooted and personal community boundaries like family, region, religion and race.
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    Jan 03, 2012 1:15 PM GMT
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    The gay community isn't cohesive because there isn't really a bedrock by which it can cohere... especially if it cuts across much more deeply-rooted and personal community boundaries like family, region, religion and race.


    The gay community isn't cohesive because of race-based sexual and romantic prejudices. That's the end all, be all of it, and skirting around that most glaring and enduring form of prejudice and discrimination isn't doing you or anyone else any favors. In short, cut the crap.


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    That must be why straight people self-segregate into ethnic neighborhoods in large cities, huh? Those Black, Jewish, Chinese and Hispanic neighborhoods need to just get down with the swirl.

    The reality is that people prefer interacting with groups with which they actually have community, and "sex" is not a strong enough basis for community.
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    Jan 03, 2012 1:23 PM GMT
    Another reason so many Republicans, especially presidential candidates like Newt Gingrich, insist that being gay is a choice. As the article makes clear, some Blacks reject the comparison of the Black civil rights struggle to the gay movement because in their minds, being Black isn't a choice, but being gay is.

    Therefore the result is that gays lose the support of Blacks in the fight for civil rights, along with the undermining of political candidates, mostly Democrats, who are pro-gay. Plus, as I've written before, preaching that gay is a choice has the potential to deny gays the inherent "inalienable rights" cited in the Declaration of Independence. It bolsters the Republican argument that gays want "special rights" beyond those enjoyed by other citizens.
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    Jan 03, 2012 1:32 PM GMT
    Larkin said
    Honeybadger said
    Although, I do remember thinking when I was younger and coming out that I wouldn't need the black community because of the acceptance I would definitely receive from the "diverse" LGBT community. Sadly,it has been my experience to find this community also has issues within of accepting diversity. I don't really consider myself apart of either.



    This is broadly true... but I wonder why any of us expect it to be otherwise.

    Think about the kinds of things that bind groups together. Families, religions, nations, and to some extent ethnicities have shared values, shared histories, and other kinds of bonds which make them communities. What does the gay community in the United States have except "I also have sex with men"? Is that kind of puerile similarity really a basis for a binding and cohesive community? Am I in community with black men from Mississippi, Vietnamese men from Seattle, and Jewish guys from New York, all because we like dick?

    The gay community isn't cohesive because there isn't really a bedrock by which it can cohere... especially if it cuts across much more deeply-rooted and personal community boundaries like family, region, religion and race.


    The LGBT community includes women who have sex with women.

    I hear they hate it when we forget about them.

    Transgender is up for grabs I guess.

    Our bedrock is to be treated equally and not like freaks. We would like to be seen as equals which wasn't that different from what black folks were "upset" about.

    Perhaps I'm naive, hopeful or just read too much Sci Fi, but I thought as a new community with no option but to be diverse (because what we have in common aside from same gender love is we are not part of the main stream heterosexual community, common cause & interest), we would be more evolved, educated and celebratory of our diversity. I believe diversity equals strength.
    I thought that's what the Rainbow flag was about. But I was much younger and definitely more naive back then. I still think it's a great idea.
    That's how the community I live in now works and it's sweet.
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    Jan 03, 2012 1:40 PM GMT
    Honeybadger said
    Larkin said
    Honeybadger said
    Although, I do remember thinking when I was younger and coming out that I wouldn't need the black community because of the acceptance I would definitely receive from the "diverse" LGBT community. Sadly,it has been my experience to find this community also has issues within of accepting diversity. I don't really consider myself apart of either.



    This is broadly true... but I wonder why any of us expect it to be otherwise.

    Think about the kinds of things that bind groups together. Families, religions, nations, and to some extent ethnicities have shared values, shared histories, and other kinds of bonds which make them communities. What does the gay community in the United States have except "I also have sex with men"? Is that kind of puerile similarity really a basis for a binding and cohesive community? Am I in community with black men from Mississippi, Vietnamese men from Seattle, and Jewish guys from New York, all because we like dick?

    The gay community isn't cohesive because there isn't really a bedrock by which it can cohere... especially if it cuts across much more deeply-rooted and personal community boundaries like family, region, religion and race.


    The LGBT community includes women who have sex with women.

    I hear they hate it when we forget about them.

    Transgender is up for grabs I guess.


    This may derail the thread but...

    Transgender is not a sexual orientation... It's gender dysmorphia requiring surgical correction. I have no desire to be a woman, and a pre-op transgender female would reject the idea that "he" is just a gay guy who wants surgery.

    Lumping transgender in with "gay" is a perfect reason why LGBTQABCDFG is not a cohesive community. Because it's a hodgepodge catch-all grab-bag of misfits whose only uniting characteristic is some non-standard interaction with sex and a sense of persecution.
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    Jan 03, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    Larkin saiddoubleyou said
    Larkin said

    The gay community isn't cohesive because there isn't really a bedrock by which it can cohere... especially if it cuts across much more deeply-rooted and personal community boundaries like family, region, religion and race.


    The gay community isn't cohesive because of race-based sexual and romantic prejudices. That's the end all, be all of it, and skirting around that most glaring and enduring form of prejudice and discrimination isn't doing you or anyone else any favors. In short, cut the crap.


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    That must be why straight people self-segregate into ethnic neighborhoods in large cities, huh? Those Black, Jewish, Chinese and Hispanic neighborhoods need to just get down with the swirl.

    The reality is that people prefer interacting with groups with which they actually have community, and "sex" is not a strong enough basis for community.


    Maybe back in the 20th Century and prior, but thanks to gentrification those neighborhoods have been nicely swirled. I'm speaking of the city I live in.
    And it's a big one.
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    Jan 03, 2012 1:48 PM GMT
    Honeybadger saidMaybe back in the 20th Century and prior, but thanks to gentrification those neighborhoods have been nicely swirled. I'm speaking of the city I live in.
    And it's a big one.
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    Are you sure about that? The main complaint about gentrification is that wealthy white people are driving poor minorities out of historically ethnic communities...
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    Jan 03, 2012 2:04 PM GMT
    Larkin said
    Honeybadger said
    Larkin said
    Honeybadger said
    Although, I do remember thinking when I was younger and coming out that I wouldn't need the black community because of the acceptance I would definitely receive from the "diverse" LGBT community. Sadly,it has been my experience to find this community also has issues within of accepting diversity. I don't really consider myself apart of either.



    This is broadly true... but I wonder why any of us expect it to be otherwise.

    Think about the kinds of things that bind groups together. Families, religions, nations, and to some extent ethnicities have shared values, shared histories, and other kinds of bonds which make them communities. What does the gay community in the United States have except "I also have sex with men"? Is that kind of puerile similarity really a basis for a binding and cohesive community? Am I in community with black men from Mississippi, Vietnamese men from Seattle, and Jewish guys from New York, all because we like dick?

    The gay community isn't cohesive because there isn't really a bedrock by which it can cohere... especially if it cuts across much more deeply-rooted and personal community boundaries like family, region, religion and race.


    The LGBT community includes women who have sex with women.

    I hear they hate it when we forget about them.

    Transgender is up for grabs I guess.


    This may derail the thread but...

    Transgender is not a sexual orientation... It's gender dysmorphia requiring surgical correction. I have no desire to be a woman, and a pre-op transgender female would reject the idea that "he" is just a gay guy who wants surgery.

    Lumping transgender in with "gay" is a perfect reason why LGBTQABCDFG is not a cohesive community. Because it's a hodgepodge catch-all grab-bag of misfits whose only uniting characteristic is some non-standard interaction with sex and a sense of persecution.


    You have a point the article is about the gay community and black community.

    I don't agree it's only about "sex or dick".

    My relationship is about the love I have with my partner. I don't get his dick NEARLY as much as the black community might believe or I would like to.

    We are together because of the love we share. Other gay men have that in common with us thereby creating a reason and need for community. My partner and I are of different ethnic backgrounds but both American. Still our cultures are different. I believe this is part of what makes us strong.

    The bedrock that binds us is the right to express the love we have and equal rights.

    I come from a multiethnic background. My mother's parents were not married because, at the time, it was against the law. That didn't stop them from having 7 children.

    It's really puzzling when the black community forgets stories like that and seeks to deprive another minority group of equal rights. It's confounding.
    Maybe it's human nature?
  • honeybadger

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    Jan 03, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
    Larkin said
    Honeybadger saidMaybe back in the 20th Century and prior, but thanks to gentrification those neighborhoods have been nicely swirled. I'm speaking of the city I live in.
    And it's a big one.
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    Are you sure about that? The main complaint about gentrification is that wealthy white people are driving poor minorities out of historically ethnic communities...


    I was being sarcastic.icon_razz.gif

    Not only wealthy white people are gentrifying. Wealthy asians are doing this as well. It seems the wealthy community has no problem with ethnicity and diversity.
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    Jan 03, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
    It's not like there were any sort of events in recent history that show how quick the gay community is to unfairly blast black people or anything...
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    Jan 03, 2012 2:46 PM GMT
    Some of the black RJ members arent going to like that.
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    Jan 03, 2012 2:55 PM GMT
    I read the article but the issue at hand which this author failed to point out is that there are so much more sub leveled points to alert within the comparison of black, gay, and "gay being the new black". Mind you there is no such thing, this cannot possibly be true. Yes i agree with the author that the black church spread the message of intolerance to homosexuality, but it doesn't send the message of hate. I believe that whatever non violent preachings the black church spit out, its the congregation who interpret and believe homosexuality should be treated whichever way they see fit. Saying that the black church influence violence against homosexuals is wrong. Saying so is a cop out because black people refuse to blame themselves, refuse to blame their parents for their hypocritical upbringing and intolerance to the lifestyle. If your raised in a home where you hear constantly that its bad and your dad or mom indoctrinate you to dislike the lifestyle then you will turn out that way. Its the same for any household..white black Hispanic etc. We as human beings grow up with what we are as teached as youths. Remember, its a fact that at the tender age of 2 to 6, kids know nothing about hate, discrimination and see no color when it comes to friendship so blame the parents not the church.

    --The other point i want to make clear is that "Gay being the new black"--is quite the most ridiculous statement ive ever heard of since the year started and im going to her twitter to let her know. If Gay is the new black, what does that make me? Lesser than Less. What did she smoke when she wrote this?
    Fact 1- racism is rampant within the gay community.
    Fact 2-You can hide your sexuality but you cannot hide your ethnicity when of black Ancestry.
    Fact 3- a white, latin gay male will never be discriminated against in the areas of their career,every day society, be looked at in a inferior way because, simply they can past as the chosen pick of the litter. Further more If they are gay..some how they benefit from being gay and are offered more opportunities. (The Caucasian gay affirmative action) This fall under the "white privileged" concept. If a Black man, being well educated, and gay ever try to move forward, he is looked at much more differently, and def not taken seriously. In fact, in some cases he will be totally ignored, especially in the business world. A person being other than a minority can be gay and be given opportunities and invites within certain business and social circles..but a black gay person even with credentials..is still seen as "Just black" --to white gay populus who of course contribute to bigoted behavior blocking any progress for a minority and being that they are gay even makes it worst or harder for them to establish themselves as equals. Its simply a forum where the oppressed suppress a minority within a minority. You all on here know im speaking truth to this as many of you have taken part in such a practice. You might not want to do it but you do it just to fit in with your social caste as they granted you an invitation into their circle.
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    Jan 03, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    Wait, you mean there are no refunds! I could have sworn that subject has been already written about in the same paper.When did gay and black be trendy? I find it too hard to parse out race, class, and gender.

    "Gay is the new black, sadly, because many blacks haven't been willing to embrace their own practices, secrets, fear, and shame about homosexuality. Many blacks have not been able to reconcile their real-life experience with their faith, and until they do this, they are oppressed people who are also practicing the oppression of others."

    Is this specific to all black people? Only black people? Any person of color? I think that statement can be said about any marginalized group?

    Interesting read but...

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    Jan 03, 2012 7:48 PM GMT
    trueblueaussie saidI think it wrong that there are those who want to confuse the Civil Right with people wanting access to a hetrosexual institution of marriage. We even have bisexual men who have had a number of wives and feel hard done by that they can do it agin because of their lifestyle choice.

    Many Many homosexuals and bi's for that matter ha the ability to hid their sexuality, and love too. But you telling me if a Black fella was to walk into a whits bar, he could blend in like us poofs can no. Thus the two should not be confused and gay is not the new Black. In fact It's Gold and Bona Fide.

    I don' need a piece of paper to know I am loved, or to have ownership of another: Thats my husband you are talking toicon_rolleyes.gif

    I'm in a 20+ year relationship, and thats all that matters, not having access to the hetrosexual institution of marriage. I already have the ring and the man thats good enough for us.



    Could not have said it any better!
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    I myself don't think it because the majority of Americans do not want to see homosexuals have advancement, that they fight so bloody hard to keep the Status Quo of marriage, because they well know many of Americas left wing just want to smash it apart, and they fear were will the vandalism stop once it starts, and no one here can answer that Feminist once said all they wanted was equality, and now we know that meant total; controle.

    So I don;t think this issue should be confused with the history of American civil rights, two totally diffrent issues here at play.
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    trueblueaussie saidI myself don't think it because the majority of Americans do not want to see homosexuals have advancement, that they fight so bloody hard to keep the Status Quo of marriage, because they well know many of Americas left wing just want to snatch it apart, and they fear were will the vandalism stop once it starts, and no one here can answer that Feminist once said all they wanted was equality, and now we know that meant total; controle.

    So I don;t think this issue should be confused with the history of American civil rights, two totally diffrent issues here at play.
    Psssst. no one here cares what you think.
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    Jan 03, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    crizchin31 said

    Could not have said it any better!
    Coming from the 18 yr old green eared wonder with a girl in every pic..... Id say you really dont have a clue!
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    Jan 03, 2012 8:38 PM GMT
    iCorvin said
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    TheQueenBee saidUM NO. GAYS WILL NEVER BE INFERIOR LIKE NEGROS


    WHAT WAS THAT??? icon_eek.gif


    COON. WHAT DOES IT.LOOK. LIKE ?

    I THOUGHT YOU PEOPLE COULD READ BY NOW ?


    wow. I can't even say anything right now. Coon really?
    Quit feeding the mental case troll.........
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    Jan 03, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    iCorvin said
    TheQueenBee said
    iCorvin said
    TheQueenBee saidUM NO. GAYS WILL NEVER BE INFERIOR LIKE NEGROS


    WHAT WAS THAT??? icon_eek.gif


    COON. WHAT DOES IT.LOOK. LIKE ?

    I THOUGHT YOU PEOPLE COULD READ BY NOW ?


    wow. I can't even say anything right now. Coon really?
    Quit feeding the mental case troll.........


    Already reported his ass.
  • DesireIron

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    Jan 03, 2012 8:53 PM GMT
    The curse of Noah* on Canaan was used as biblical justification for slavery in the American South. You would think Blacks would be a bit wary of thumping bibles to justify denying civil rights to others.

    *Noah cursed Canaan to be the servant in the tents of his relatives. Canaan becames the progenitor of the Black race. Ergo, Blacks were biblically condemn to slavery. Case closed.
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    Jan 03, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    This is one of those topics that I would love to dicuss in a focus group/roundtable format in person. The online discussion always degrade.

    I've learned that I don't fall squarely into any group like I thought I did when I was younger. Just realize that people's interactions with you may be their only interaction they have with a "gay person", so make it count. It's harder to vote against gay rights when it has a face, a name and personal connection to you.