Gay Icons....

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    Jul 25, 2007 3:28 PM GMT
    Just read this online -

    By the time Tammy Faye Messner died Friday, the outspoken, fake-eyelash-donning 65-year-old had gone from Christian televangelist to reviled woman to gay icon. How did Messner become a gay icon?

    With fabulousness and honesty. Tammy Faye's religious background made her an unlikely object for this kind of adulation, but in many ways she had the classic profile of a gay icon. Like many others, she became celebrated for her perseverance. She fell from grace (and lost much of her money) when it was discovered that her husband, Jim Bakker, had cheated on her and swindled their followers out of $158 million. But Tammy Faye talked openly about her pain on TV and stood by her man after his conviction, singing at a press conference, "On Christ the solid rock I stand/ All other ground is sinking sand." Her refusal to change her unique style—runny mascara, gawdy jewelry, and all—also made her icon-worthy. When asked by a makeup artist to lose those garish false lashes, she said, "Without my eyelashes, I wouldn't be Tammy Faye. I don't know who I would be." And gays appreciated the fact that she had long refused to denounce homosexuals on the Bakkers' TV show and that she had urged sympathy for those with AIDS. In her final interview last week, she said, "When we lost everything, it was the gay people that came to my rescue, and I will always love them for that."

    Gay icons are often powerful women who are also marginalized and vulnerable. Billie Holiday, for instance, endured poverty and survived rape at the age of 14 before being discovered as a singer in a Harlem nightclub. She signed record deals, but she also served time in jail, battled drug-abuse problems, and died with little to her name. Princess Di, another icon, was loved for carrying on with grace—and style—despite her public battles with the royal family. Dolly Parton, with her super-sized hair and breasts, ascended in status because of her larger-than-life femininity. Same goes for Madonna, who built a career by wearing cone bras, orchestrating orgies in music videos, and otherwise embracing her sexuality without apology. Even Miss Piggy of the Muppets has won icon status because she refuses to see that pigginess is ugly; she believes she's beautiful and won't quit pursuing an unwilling frog. In a sense, gays—especially those who are closeted—look upon these women (and almost all of them are women) as role models.
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    Jul 25, 2007 4:04 PM GMT
    How funny that I had a crush on Miss Piggy when in was a kid. I always joked that, that must be the reason that I adore Dolly, both flashy, buxom blondes w/ big hair, shiny outfits and gaudy jewelry.
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:00 PM GMT
    Youn must mention Cher in this category
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:02 PM GMT
    ya know, I never was so much into Cher, but as time goes by I'm liking her more and more, in fact have a few of her songs on my CPU that I listen to while at work.
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:06 PM GMT
    Gay icon? News to me. Never thought of her as one.

    Where did you read this article?
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:11 PM GMT
    The Tammy Faye one? At msn.com

    http://www.slate.com/id/2170989/?GT1=10238
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:15 PM GMT
    I suppose we each have our own gay icons. Kylie Minogue is mine. :)
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:53 PM GMT
    Mines are : Madonna, Cher, Beatrice Arthur, Shirley MacLaine, Olympia Dukakis, Drew Barrimore, Bette Midler, Katharine Hepburn, Marge Simpson.
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:54 PM GMT
    I'm SURE you just forgotten to mention DOLLY?!!?!?
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:54 PM GMT
    can a guy be a gay icon?
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:54 PM GMT
    or would he just be a really well known gay guy?
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    Jul 25, 2007 9:57 PM GMT
    I can never figure out what supereme committee
    of gays supposedly met to determine these strange lists of supposed gay icons.

    Even less can I understand why these lists are largely composed of women? who hardly ever had anything to do to or for gays except accept their money.

    I can't think of any way I consider them to be representative of gays or an image to be worshipped by gays.

    Their most obvious common characteristic is their various clothing styles are so extreme that they might be considered female drag queens.

    Tammy Faye's clown makeup and loudly proclaimed religiousity helped her husband swindle $150,000,000 from investors and siphon off enough from church contributions to live an expensive life style. When he was accused of bisexual affairs, she denied the possibility. When he went to jail, she divorced him and married his accountant. Did the accountant have some of the money hidden? I feel sorry for anyone with cancer, but having a desease doesn't make you a Saint.
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    Jul 25, 2007 10:04 PM GMT
    SURE...Dolly Parton too...where is my head ??? Ellen Degeneres, Rosie O'Donnell.

    For guys how about : George Michaël, Elton John, who else ? Still thinking....
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    Jul 25, 2007 10:12 PM GMT
    tom cruise, john travolta...
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    Jul 25, 2007 11:12 PM GMT
    McGay,
    It's 'Gay icon',
    not 'Icon that's gay'
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    Jul 25, 2007 11:16 PM GMT
    As to male gay Icon:

    Steve Reeves
    Dennis Quaid
    Tom of Finland
    Most classic Colt models.
    Quentin Crisp
    Larry Kramer
    Elton John
    ....just to start...
  • zakariahzol

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    Jul 25, 2007 11:20 PM GMT
    I not sure what gay icon it. But if you referring for individual that is admireable ,there plenty among our own gender.

    Sport figure like Greg Louganis, Esera Tuolo, Ameachi,Bob Paris, celebrities Elton John , George Michael are all excellent role model. It must be very brave of them comming out telling the whole world about who they are and be proud of there sexuality.

    One person come in mind, I really admire Australian cowboy Adam Sutton (google that ) . You know , you can be masculine , living a rough and tough life in Australian Outback but still is acceptable (shall I say proudly) to be gay.

    Even among fellow Real Jock, they so many excellent gay icon (among us as least). How about 88 years ole OW, right..
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    Jul 25, 2007 11:32 PM GMT
    It was said once, "I'm no model man. A model is just an imitation of the real thing."

    Not that I believe that. Just stuck w/ me.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 26, 2007 12:54 AM GMT
    I am with lynton9 on this. I have never understood this gay icon thing. If they were men it would make sense to me.

    Mike
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    Jul 26, 2007 7:21 AM GMT
    My gay icons and the reason that they are:

    Jack from "Will and Grace". Why? He's just so free wheeling and happy to be himself. To me, that's what being gay is all about - being oneself, and being delighted with it.

    Cher, because she's larger than life, and that is what every man, woman and child needs to be - larger than life. It's freedom at its finest.

    RuPaul because he's so full of dignity and yet campy at the same time. That's hard to pull off. He's cute out of makeup, too.

    For me, a gay icon is one who projects the ability to be comfortable in his/her own skin, even when it's strange skin, and maybe especially when it's strange skin.

    Nobody sits down and decides, "These people will be gay icons," but rather they are people who are generally idolized by a large number of gay people.

  • trebor965

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    Jul 26, 2007 7:44 AM GMT
    no babs or liza? what were you thinking?
  • art_smass

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    Jul 26, 2007 3:24 PM GMT
    Or Judy Garland? If it wasn't for her, we'd have no Liza with a Zeeeee.
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    Jul 26, 2007 5:20 PM GMT
    I used to watch "The Tammy and Jim J. show" when it was on and she was just a lot of fun.
    Jim J. was really flaaaaaaamy and it was hysterical that this woman who used to minister was cracking wise with this queeny guy. But, it worked.
    I think these people become "gay icons" because they just step all over straight men and their stupid ideas of the way things should be.
    They express their opinion, they use their celebrity to get their point across to a very wide audience and they don't sit down and shut up when a straight man tells them too.

    You should "Icon" anyone who inspires you to be the best person you can be.

    Please don't tell me there are people who are STUPID enough to "look up" to a nasty, park trolling FREAK like George Michael or those little girls T.R. Knight and Doogie Howser or any celebrity who "Comes out" only after they are threatened and forced to come out.

    Just look at Ricky Martin and that guy on "SuperNatural". SLUGS

    These people are the BOTTOM of the slime bucket and make the rest of us, who stand up for ourselves no matter what, and say we are proud gay men and screw what you think, look bad.

    I would rather look up to Tammy Faye than one of those nasty slugs anyday.
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    Jul 26, 2007 9:40 PM GMT
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    Jul 31, 2007 3:35 PM GMT
    I always imagined the gay icon thing to have something to do with one marginalized group (gay men) identifying with visible figures from another marginalized group (women).

    I think these people are looked up to because they've overcome some crap to live the life they truly should be living and they shine when they do it