I want to be a titan of muscle mass

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    Jan 04, 2012 9:12 AM GMT
    There, I said it. I really want to be a huge muscular stud. I hope it doesn't make me sound lame. We all have dreams and I'm happy that I really do have the dedication to do something about it...just not the know-how.

    Throughout my life I'd always either been considered a fat kid or, after working out a ton, a lanky/skinny kid...but never once have I been able to fulfill my lifelong dream; to be considered that muscle god of bulging biceps, triceps, quads, plats, blah, blah blah. The kind of guy that people glance at and say "Wow, he's doing great!", not the guy that makes them feel better about their own physique, ya know?

    It's not from a lack of trying either. I really do have serious dedication. I lost about 40 lbs back in middle school throught diet and exercise but sadly I just never managed to put on the mass of muscle I wanted. I think it's truly and honestly because I don't know how! I am a noob at the gym and a noob at home when it comes to proper muscle building workouts. Anyway, here's a couple things I'd like to cover if anybody is in the mood to help...

    Where I am right now: since college started and with how little time I'd previously had to work out I've put back on a little weight (freshman 15) so I'm still pretty skinny, yes, yet I have a bit of a belly as well. I guess you could say I'm awkward shaped. I'm like 6'0 ft. and 165 lbs. of which most isn't muscle. I have a little muscle leftover from my summer workout routine but still...not much.

    Where I want to be: HUUUUGE muscles. Somewhere between bodybuilder and that kind of abercrombie model look. Maybe not so unrealistic if my body isn't built for it but I'll do anything I can to get as close as I can. I've got some spare time now too since I've switched majors and my course load isn't as intense. Seriously, It would just be so cool to look as awesome as people like that, so whatever it takes I will do it! Anyway...

    Questions: Should I lose the fat with an intense cardio routine before I work on the muscle or do I dive right into an intense muscle routine? Is a cardio/weight training routine most effective or can the cardio just be replaced by more muscle training? I'm looking for the most efficiency so I don't slow or lose progress. (I'll admit, this is largely for the look because otherwise I would just do cardio and forget the rest)

    Is P90X actually effective (I have the dvds) or should I just lift a bunch of weights at the gym (our campus allows me full access to a good gym)?

    Obviously protein supplements are important but is there anything else I need to consider?

    All in all, I just really need help to pool my knowledge base. I'm asking everyone I can for workout advice because I really want to do something about this in my life. This is and always has been a huge dream of mine and I just can't stand not doing something about it any more.
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    Jan 04, 2012 1:39 PM GMT
    Join the club icon_rolleyes.gif
    Sorry- not much help here. But I can say "You can doo it!" icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 04, 2012 1:42 PM GMT
    You have to learn how to go through different phases of nutrition. I dated a bodybuilder who would do three month cycles. It was too intense and I was often worried that all he would eat sometimes was boiled chicken and broccoli. Then other times he would just eat whatever was in front of him. It worked and got him huge, but teetering between two extremes was too much.
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    Jan 04, 2012 1:48 PM GMT
    yay! -cheers you on-

    your cute and i'm sure you can do it icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 04, 2012 2:01 PM GMT
    don't go crazy with the supps. you may want to be huge right now but a couple of years from now your goals may change. you don't want to make any drastic changes to your body. the best advice i can give you is to stick to a good weight training routine that focuses on increasing your strength abilities. the fat will come off the more muscle you put on. p90x is a great way to switch things up or stay with a program. i recommend working out with a friend that's slightly above your strength level so that he can push you without you feeling intimidated. you're not going to see significant results if you're not eating right, no matter how hard you work out. good luck.
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    Jan 04, 2012 2:01 PM GMT
    Sounds like you want to be a bodybuilder, like one of these guys: (?)

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    If so, you'll need to eat like a monster, upwards of 4000 calories on a very strict diet of protein, complex pure carbs (whole wheat, brown rice, etc. ) and learn which supplements are necessary and which are complete rubbish.

    Also, unless you have some seriously freaky genes you'll want to consider juicing (cycling steroids) which will have legal issues of its own you'll want to weigh carefully before per using.
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    Jan 04, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
    As for basic workouts, you might want to look into Stronglifts 5x5 (though this focuses more on strength development than pure size)

    Or a size focused variation of that going for compound body motions, moderate to heavy weights with 3x8 maybe better for you.

    I'll invoke the name "Chuckystud" who should be along in a bit to set you right on track. ;)
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    Jan 04, 2012 2:46 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidSounds like you want to be a bodybuilder, like one of these guys: (?)

    dorian_yates31.jpg

    feature_leehaney1991.jpg

    If so, you'll need to eat like a monster, upwards of 4000 calories on a very strict diet of protein, complex pure carbs (whole wheat, brown rice, etc. ) and learn which supplements are necessary and which are complete rubbish.

    Also, unless you have some seriously freaky genes you'll want to consider juicing (cycling steroids) which will have legal issues of its own you'll want to weigh carefully before per using.


    BIGGER THE BETTER!
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    Jan 04, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    RealJock isn't the best website for fitness and nutrition advice. The majority of the regular posters don't even workout. The ones that do workout rarely post. You should probably try bodybuilding.com. This website is mainly for shit and giggles.
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    Jan 04, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidRealJock isn't the best website for fitness and nutrition advice. The majority of the regular posters don't even workout. The ones that do workout rarely post. You should probably try bodybuilding.com.
    This website is mainly for shit and giggles.


    What are you trying to say?!! icon_mad.gif
    (As I'm stuffing my face with bacon, fried rice and last night's box of chocolate doughnuts!)
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    Jan 04, 2012 4:00 PM GMT
    And I want to be mother teresa....

    I'll settle for nelson mandela though
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    Jan 04, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidRealJock isn't the best website for fitness and nutrition advice. The majority of the regular posters don't even workout. The ones that do workout rarely post. You should probably try bodybuilding.com. This website is mainly for shit and giggles.


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    I have been an athlete for many years, and a personal trainer, and a strength coach and whenever I give advice I am told that i am wrong or I am ignored.

    So... eh
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    Jan 04, 2012 4:02 PM GMT
    GreenHopper saidAnd I want to be mother teresa....

    I'll settle for nelson mandela though


    I want to be a tyrannosaurusrex

    i'll eat you RaaawWWWwwrrRR
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    Jan 04, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle said
    AvadaKedavra saidRealJock isn't the best website for fitness and nutrition advice. The majority of the regular posters don't even workout. The ones that do workout rarely post. You should probably try bodybuilding.com. This website is mainly for shit and giggles.


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    I have been an athlete for many years, and a personal trainer, and a strength coach and whenever I give advice I am told that i am wrong or I am ignored.

    So... eh


    i would listen to you. you're fucking huge.
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    Jan 04, 2012 4:07 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidRealJock isn't the best website for fitness and nutrition advice. The majority of the regular posters don't even workout. The ones that do workout rarely post. You should probably try bodybuilding.com. This website is mainly for shit and giggles.


    Just had to quote because it is so GD true.
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    Jan 04, 2012 4:29 PM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle said
    I have been an athlete for many years, and a personal trainer, and a strength coach and whenever I give advice I am told that i am wrong or I am ignored.

    So... eh


    Same.... ACSM pt, lots of athletic experience, My advice gets bumped for some fool who recommends a newbie do some workout Metzger claimed to do in a magazine. Primary reason I stopped posting to the "fitness" fora on RJ.
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    Jan 04, 2012 5:14 PM GMT

    So you wanna be huge... you and me both bro. To your questions, based on your size & what you've told about yourself this should give u a push in the right direction but is by no means comprehensive:

    1. Eat about 3500 cal per day consisting of 45% protein, 45% complex carbs, and 10% fat. Eat real food! Beef, chicken ,eggs, rice, potatoes, vegetables. Divide up your meals into 6 roughly equal portions with 2 exceptions: your last meal has no carbs and your first meal has simple carbs like fruit. All the rest of your meals have low/no sugar carbs like rice, potatos etc. The only supplement you'll need is for post workout and it does not count against your 3500 cal intake. It is a scoop of whey, creatine, and 4 tblsp of dextrose. You're going to feel miserably stuffed the first couple weeks but that passes.

    2. Hit the gym 3 days a week doing back & bis, chest & tris and finally legs. Your 4 sets should be about 20-15-15-12 reps and you should focus NOT on moving the weight but on feeling & finding the muscle, at max contraction ball it up hard and squeeze it. On your off days go walk for an hour at a 3.5 mph pace.

    3. P90X is not designed to make you big, it has it's place but not for a bodybuilder wanting size

    4. Don't even consider steroids untill you've been lifting for at last 7 years. If steroids were a magic bullet then every rich kid with a hookup would be a monster. Most of what you hear is media hype. Stear clear of all the crap suplements except whey and creatine.

    Hope that helps
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    Jan 04, 2012 5:39 PM GMT
    I hope you read this OP
    try out scoobys workshop routines icon_smile.gif
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    custom routine built for you-
    http://scoobysworkshop.com/custom-workout-plans/

    also for form or different excercises you can do, check out youtube videos. Just type in awesome chest workout, etc. Check out Scott Hermans videos too.
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    Jan 04, 2012 5:44 PM GMT
    UFJocknerd said
    Alpha_Muscle said
    I have been an athlete for many years, and a personal trainer, and a strength coach and whenever I give advice I am told that i am wrong or I am ignored.

    So... eh


    Same.... ACSM pt, lots of athletic experience, My advice gets bumped for some fool who recommends a newbie do some workout Metzger claimed to do in a magazine. Primary reason I stopped posting to the "fitness" fora on RJ.


    I would prefer that guys who actually know what they are talking about post on RJ for fitness advice. Its frustrating that when I post a "Hot guy thread" it gets 5K plus hits in a day, yet my "I need help growing my back" flails in the wind.
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    Jan 04, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    UFJocknerd said
    Alpha_Muscle said
    I have been an athlete for many years, and a personal trainer, and a strength coach and whenever I give advice I am told that i am wrong or I am ignored.

    So... eh


    Same.... ACSM pt, lots of athletic experience, My advice gets bumped for some fool who recommends a newbie do some workout Metzger claimed to do in a magazine. Primary reason I stopped posting to the "fitness" fora on RJ.


    I would prefer that guys who actually know what they are talking about post on RJ for fitness advice. Its frustrating that when I post a "Hot guy thread" it gets 5K plus hits in a day, yet my "I need help growing my back" flails in the wind.


    Well, then guys like you have to get the back of guys like UFJocknerd and I. I assume that Jocknerd goes to or graduated from the University of Florida... the research they do there on nutrition and kineseology is off the chain.

    But I recently helped out an RJer on a post he had.... a legitimate question. I was promptly told I was wrong by a faceless, photo-less torso who claimed to be 280 lbs. So, I provided links to research that proved I was right and STILL had to listen to passive aggressive snark from insecure queens who didn't care to help the OP, they just wanted to put me down.

    I am a big boy and it doesn't bother me, but I dont really like giving fitness advice on the forums. It isn't well received AT ALL. And while I am not confident about many things, I am an excellent trainer. I know that.
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    Jan 04, 2012 5:53 PM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle said
    Chainers said
    UFJocknerd said
    Alpha_Muscle said
    I have been an athlete for many years, and a personal trainer, and a strength coach and whenever I give advice I am told that i am wrong or I am ignored.

    So... eh


    Same.... ACSM pt, lots of athletic experience, My advice gets bumped for some fool who recommends a newbie do some workout Metzger claimed to do in a magazine. Primary reason I stopped posting to the "fitness" fora on RJ.


    I would prefer that guys who actually know what they are talking about post on RJ for fitness advice. Its frustrating that when I post a "Hot guy thread" it gets 5K plus hits in a day, yet my "I need help growing my back" flails in the wind.


    Well, then guys like you have to get the back of guys like UFJocknerd and I. I assume that Jocknerd goes to or graduated from the University of Florida... the research they do there on nutrition and kineseology is off the chain.

    But I recently helped out an RJer on a post he had.... a legitimate question. I was promptly told I was wrong by a faceless, photo-less torso who claimed to be 280 lbs. So, I provided links to research that proved I was right and STILL had to listen to passive aggressive snark from insecure queens who didn't care to help the OP, they just wanted to put me down.

    I am a big boy and it doesn't bother me, but I dont really like giving fitness advice on the forums. It isn't well received AT ALL. And while I am not confident about many things, I am an excellent trainer. I know that.


    Awe someone needs a hug!

    Ignore the faceless trolls, they are just that. People can be what they want on the internet but I would listen to you any day of the week!
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    Jan 04, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    Well, ok, here's a shot then.

    OP is just starting out. 6 foot tall and 165 is a BMR of ~2500/3000 calories. What are you eating now (don't guess, though--record your diet for a week and see what protein/carbs/fat/calories you REALLY eat)? This would need to be ramped up to correspond to your goal, let's call it 200 lbs, or about 3500-4000 calories a day for maintenance of that muscle. But don't just leap right to 4000 calories or you'll risk messing up your diet and intaking too much fat or carbs, or you'll just poop all the extra food out half-digested for a few weeks. Ramp it up as you train more and gain weight.

    For a workout: there is no magic workout that you should do and always stick with. You'll need to vary and find ho your body is responding, identify lagging areas, etc. For a relative beginner, I'd suggest doing a normal full-body, like madcow's 5x5.

    Don't even consider steroids right now. If you don't know why you shouldn't, then you don't know enough about steroids to take them anyway :-)
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    Jan 04, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    You can make a lot of gains, man, and get in really great shape.

    What I think most people lose sight of is reality, though, when making goals. What kinds of goals do you think are achievable with your body?

    As any trainer posting here will tell you, the main problem with many clients is an unrealistic idea of what they can achieve. 300 lb women roll in and want to lose 20 lbs for their reunion next week. It's just not happening.

    The same is true for those on the opposite side wishing to gain muscle. If you're 165 and 6', you have a pretty high hill to climb to get to "titan" icon_smile.gif. I'm slightly taller and 75 lbs heavier, and even I would like to see some parts gain in size (my legs are so underdeveloped!).

    But, if you glance at my profile you'll notice that I went through a LOT of changes. I was obese just 5 years ago. Dropped down to 180 and now I'm back up to 245 of mostly muscle. A human body can do a lot as long as you have an idea in mind of what you want to achieve and a clear path towards achieving it.

    My main recommendation is to set small goals, either weekly or monthly, that you can meet that are clear and measurable. Start with "increase curl strength by 10%" or "Add another plate on the squat rack". Short term things you can work up to and feel you have accomplished even while you're pushing towards the main goal. "Be a titan" is awesome, but you can't measure that haha.

    My second recommendation is to think about your body's somatotype. I'm very endomorphic and I put on weight at the drop of a hat. My little brother is incredibly ectomorph and he eats pizza and nutter butter all day and can't gain weight. What do you think your body is? And how can you eat/train so that you play to your strengths? For myself, I know I had to resist the urge to be discouraged by the scale and focus on other things... my body is always going to be bigger, but I can play to my strengths and focus on muscle building instead of continually feeling like I've failed at cutting.

    Finally, variety is key. Vary everything. The body is a naturally lazy thing... If you do the same thing too often - the same workout, the same diet, the same supplements - the body gets used to it and stops responding. Always change everything every 6-8 weeks.

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    Jan 04, 2012 6:35 PM GMT
    Dear Alpha_Muscle, UFJocknerd, Larkin, et all --

    Thank you, and please keep posting! I'll admit I don't contribute to the forums very often, but I do read them frequently, and I make a point of checking out fitness information... especially from guys like yourselves who clearly know their stuff. Over the years it has become less and less about fitness/health and more and more about "the guy above you," which is a bit disappointing (nothing wrong with some levity, but the balance has clearly shifted). Please know, though, that your knowledge and advice are not completely unheeded. A lot of guys here really appreciate and look forward to your input.

    Now, about getting my (nonexistent) lats to respond.... icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 04, 2012 6:49 PM GMT
    nomadfornow saidDear Alpha_Muscle, UFJocknerd, Larkin, et all --

    Thank you, and please keep posting! I'll admit I don't contribute to the forums very often, but I do read them frequently, and I make a point of checking out fitness information... especially from guys like yourselves who clearly know their stuff. Over the years it has become less and less about fitness/health and more and more about "the guy above you," which is a bit disappointing (nothing wrong with some levity, but the balance has clearly shifted). Please know, though, that your knowledge and advice are not completely unheeded. A lot of guys here really appreciate and look forward to your input.

    Now, about getting my (nonexistent) lats to respond.... icon_biggrin.gif


    Thanks!!! How sweet!! icon_wink.gif Just for that... some lat advice!! icon_cool.gif

    You are tall with really, really long arms. That means that often when you do back work, you have to pull the weight a LONG way.

    So, get into the cable crossover machine and set cables at the highest level. (at the top)..., get on your knees so that you are low with a cable handle in each hand like you are forming a big "Y"... with a decent amount of weight (experiment how much) and maintaining your torso in an upright position, pull the cables down squeezing your back together... pull your elbows down like they are going to touch your sides. Remain upright.

    This is a GREAT way to hit your lats in a different way. What is awesome about this exercise for YOU is that it will really hit the lower lats. With long arms, the lower lats are impossible to target and without stong lower lats, you wont be able to effectively do pullups, which is the Number One way to get big lats!!

    Enjoy! If you are confused, shoot me a message and I will either find a youtube video or I will upload a youtube video with good form for you to see.