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    Jan 04, 2012 9:36 AM GMT
    In any case, in my past forum postings I have NEVER EVER said that
    I know the day or the hour. people do not know, Angels do not ,
    even Jesus stated HE does not know, ONLY His Father knows.

    That is scripture.

    But Jesus says in 24 Matthew that there will be SIGNS that his coming
    is close. Signs in the sun, the moon and the stars, and the earth.

    IT WILL BE a sad day for those that are left behind at the rapture, very sad.

    AND as stated before, there is ONLY one WAY to go in that rapture.

    Ask JESUS to forgive you for ur sins and ask HIM into your heart.....

    and whosoever SHALL call on the name of the LORD shall be saved.....!!!

    short of that, it's basically hopeless.

    Yeh, I know, I will get scoffed at for writing this, but i am NOT
    judged by this site or by humans, not at all.

    I have to answer to HIM and that is why i am spreading this witness.

    If I WERE TO KEEP SILENT on all this, then I will answer for that,
    I do not want THAT, that is why I do this posting.

    IF you have a bible or search for NIV Bible on line, then you can
    go to John 3 16, and John 3 17.

    That is the GOSPEL in a nutshell.

    My take is that the end is COMING, and soon.....

    better to be safe then sorry.

    ALOHA

    Stephen in Hawaii >>>>>>>>>>



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    Jan 04, 2012 2:38 PM GMT

    Your 'you better love god and Christ, or else' message is rather horrible.

    Tell me, of what kind and quality is a love coerced out of FEAR?

    -Doug, a christian
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    Jan 04, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Your 'you better love god and Christ, or else' message is rather horrible.

    Tell me, of what kind and quality is a love coerced out of FEAR?

    -Doug, a christian


    The kind that can drive someone to a life of regret.
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    Jan 04, 2012 4:43 PM GMT
    I thought Jesus died to atone for all sins of all persons for all time. His was the ultimate love sacrifice for us all.

    None of us have anything to worry about.

    Now let's get on with living and taking care of each other, and stop worrying about the end of the world.
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    Jan 05, 2012 5:46 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidI thought Jesus died to atone for all sins of all persons for all time. His was the ultimate love sacrifice for us all.

    None of us have anything to worry about.

    Now let's get on with living and taking care of each other, and stop worrying about the end of the world.


    GOD does LOVE everyone.....that is true.......

    BUT holiness is Holiness

    Prophecy is Prophecy

    and Perfection is Perfection.

    there is NO unforgiven sin in Heaven....

    it is not allowed.

    that is why Jesus died on the cross.....

    BUT, to be saved and RECEIVE the gift of eternal Life you need to

    accept it, and ASK forgiveness for your sins.

    That is all Im saying.......

    to be READY for the Rapture that is what a person needs to do.....

    or to be READY to leave this world period, since we ALL KNOW
    too well that tomorrow is NEVER guaranteed for anyone.

    You never KNOW when your number is up......

    That is why i am telling everyone about this.

    Cos there are probably alot of people on this site who need

    forgiveness.......judging from the negative posts that keep coming

    my way. There really is not much else to say. i am trying to
    help and all i do is get attacked.....

    Very sad....

    Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>



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    Jan 05, 2012 11:55 AM GMT
    It's reassuring that those of us who are followers of Christ are forgiven for our sins. It's also good to remember that none of us escape punishment for our sins whether it is in this life or in the afterlife.
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    Jan 05, 2012 2:35 PM GMT
    vincent7 saidIt's reassuring that those of us who are followers of Christ are forgiven for our sins. It's also good to remember that none of us escape punishment for our sins whether it is in this life or in the afterlife.



    Well, OK, although if you're already forgiven for your sins via Christ, what punishments are you referring to for what unforgiven sins?

    My love for Christ has zip to do with sins forgiven or unforgiven, but everything to do with the kind of person he was, and what he stood for, and what he did to wake us all up. The triggering of our consciences over his persecution and death is a pretty powerful salvation. icon_wink.gif

    -Doug
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    Jan 05, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
    Man, are you guys for real!?? statements like these make me almost fear you religious nuts. (not meaning all religious people, but the "down-to-the-last-letter" nutcases..)

    I believe that there is no "good" or "bad" in this world, only actions and events that will bring you closer to, or further away from you experiencing the highest of yourself.
    Explore every side of yourself, even the "bad" ones. acknowledge and embrace them all as a part of you, bless and let go of the ones that you feel are not working in your favor.

    try not to judge people, it's not always easy..


    Steve781 said
    better to be safe then sorry.


    to me, this about sums up your view on this. it show that you're not following your god-of-choice out of love for him and humanity, but out of the fear of what might happen if you wouldn't. to me that's quite a dishonest reason. dubbeling up? naah man...

    And what purpose would it serve for your god to damn and torture people's souls for eternity? would he get amusement or fulfillment out of this? in that case he sounds like someone i dont think i wanna have anything to do with anyway.
    would a god actually have such a petty feeling as jealousy? to me all of this makes no sense, and it shouldn't do for you either if you woould give it some serious thought...

    please read this:
    http://www.amazon.com/Conversations-God-Uncommon-Dialogue-Book/dp/0399142789
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    Jan 05, 2012 3:30 PM GMT

    "And what purpose would it serve for your god to damn and torture people's souls for eternity? would he get amusement or fulfillment out of this? in that case he sounds like someone i dont think i wanna have anything to do with anyway.
    would a god actually have such a petty feeling as jealousy?"

    Very well said.

    Especially when you consider sins.
    You ate too much, got fat and died from health complications. The sin of gluttony.

    You spilled your seed.

    The list is huge and onerous.

    Why and how you love god is just as, if not more, important as the state of loving god.

    -Doug

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    Jan 05, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
    meninlove said


    Why and how you love god is just as, if not more, important as the state of loving god.

    -Doug


    to me, it's probably the ONLY thing that is of interest.
    think of it: I don't really care if the guy next door confess to a religion or not. to each his own. but if he does, i would find it interesting to know if he considers me vermin and wants me dead or if that i'm not "fully worthy" of any sort, as a human being, since i don't share his religious views.

    of course i know that not all religious people act and think like this, but there are too many of them out there that DO, for me to just ignore that fact
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    Jan 05, 2012 9:41 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    vincent7 saidIt's reassuring that those of us who are followers of Christ are forgiven for our sins. It's also good to remember that none of us escape punishment for our sins whether it is in this life or in the afterlife.



    Well, OK, although if you're already forgiven for your sins via Christ, what punishments are you referring to for what unforgiven sins?

    My love for Christ has zip to do with sins forgiven or unforgiven, but everything to do with the kind of person he was, and what he stood for, and what he did to wake us all up. The triggering of our consciences over his persecution and death is a pretty powerful salvation. icon_wink.gif

    -Doug


    Doug, perhaps I wasn't clear in my reference to punishment.

    Karma; what goes around, comes around; for every action, there is a reaction; sowing and reaping -- however one chooses to call it, I believe there is a price to be paid for all bad conduct. I think it always come back to us in some form during this lifetime. Whether there is a price to be paid after death or not, who really knows what happens? Unforgiven sins? The only unforgiveable sin is rejection of God.

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    Jan 06, 2012 5:31 AM GMT
    vincent7 said, "The only unforgiveable sin is rejection of God."

    ..well, my feeling about that is that only god can see into the hearts of men and see truly why someone doesn't believe god exists. There can be very good reasons, one among them being abused emotionally at the hands of the religious.

    -Doug
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    Jan 06, 2012 10:22 AM GMT
    meninlove said vincent7 said, "The only unforgiveable sin is rejection of God."

    ..well, my feeling about that is that only god can see into the hearts of men and see truly why someone doesn't believe god exists. There can be very good reasons, one among them being abused emotionally at the hands of the religious.

    -Doug


    not trying to attack you here but the more common (and sane) option would probably be that people that don't believe in god, have looked at the evidence and concluded that there is no other evidence for god's existance, than the longing for that to be true in human hearts...

    let's face it, NO ONE becomes religious in their adult life, unless they're a recovering junkie/alocoholist or literally brainwashed.
    people are still religious in this world because their parents tell them to be. and even if they choose to step out of their religion later in life, that feeling of childhood fears and wonders is hard to just brush away.
    sad, in my opinion.
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:48 PM GMT
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    meninlove said vincent7 said, "The only unforgiveable sin is rejection of God."

    ..well, my feeling about that is that only god can see into the hearts of men and see truly why someone doesn't believe god exists. There can be very good reasons, one among them being abused emotionally at the hands of the religious.

    -Doug


    not trying to attack you here but the more common (and sane) option would probably be that people that don't believe in god, have looked at the evidence and concluded that there is no other evidence for god's existance, than the longing for that to be true in human hearts...


    Well, we're certainly not disagreeing here, because you've just pointed out another very good reason why someone doesn't believe in god.

    Yet another is someone looking at the atrocities committed at one time or another by religions.

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    Jan 06, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    However, we'll have to agree to disagree here.
    " let's face it, NO ONE becomes religious in their adult life, unless they're a recovering junkie/alocoholist or literally brainwashed.
    people are still religious in this world because their parents tell them to be."



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    Jan 08, 2012 2:09 AM GMT
    meninlove said However, we'll have to agree to disagree here.
    " let's face it, NO ONE becomes religious in their adult life, unless they're a recovering junkie/alocoholist or literally brainwashed.
    people are still religious in this world because their parents tell them to be."



    Agreed icon_smile.gif

    ..and of course there are exceptions too like always
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    Jan 12, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
    Steve781 said

    You never KNOW when your number is up......

    That is why i am telling everyone about this.

    Cos there are probably alot of people on this site who need

    forgiveness.......judging from the negative posts that keep coming

    my way. There really is not much else to say. i am trying to
    help and all i do is get attacked.....

    Very sad....

    Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>





    I'm sure you are a very nice person, and I am sorry that you get *personally* attacked. I understand your perspective, and in that light, what you are trying to do is honorable.


    But try to see it from a non-fundamentalist Christian perspective.

    In my eyes, it is the height of arrogance to claim that you know absolute truth and what happens after death. It is the height of arrogance to claim that you know what will "save" people from this hell place you believe in. It is the height of arrogance to believe in an inerrant holy book and then use fear tactics to scare people into believing your narrow theology.

    Understand that my mind is not capable of believing what you want me to believe--there are too many unknowns. In spite of this I think I’m a pretty good and moral person. There are plenty of Christians who look down upon non-Christians for their disbelief. Nothing is more insulting to me than when people imply that I am "lost," immoral, evil, or amoral.

    What is absolute truth? What happens after death? What is the purpose of life? I honestly do not know, and I am fine with that--I wish religious folks would admit the same.