Mason Wyler interview - says he still doesn't use condoms after his HIV+ diagnosis.

  • sonnet129

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    Jan 05, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
    And then there's this exchange:

    What percentage of your films was bareback?

    0.1% or about three scenes in my entire career.

    What about off-screen?

    About 99.9 per cent.

    Why?

    I don’t like condoms so I don’t use them.

    http://www.differentscene.co.uk/?p=5050
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    Jan 05, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
    He also says he only hooks up with people who are HIV+.

    "Since your diagnosis, do you use condoms?

    No. But I only hook up with people who are HIV+ too. There are some doctors who say that’s dangerous because of different strains of HIV, but there are others that don’t agree. There are more risks of getting other diseases like hepatitis or other STIs. I’m turned off if someone is HIV negative. I associate them with using condoms and as horrible as that sounds, I still don’t like using them if I’m the bottom - which 99 per cent of the time, I am. In my mind and my body I can tell the difference between condoms and bareback."
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:02 PM GMT
    A totally selfish nut job, who ought to be confined in some way, even imprisoned, for spreading HIV to others.
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
    Uh... disingenuous threads are not cool whatsoever..

    THIS is what the interview says:

    Since your diagnosis, do you use condoms?

    No. But I only hook up with people who are HIV+ too. There are some doctors who say that’s dangerous because of different strains of HIV, but there are others that don’t agree. There are more risks of getting other diseases like hepatitis or other STIs. I’m turned off if someone is HIV negative. I associate them with using condoms and as horrible as that sounds, I still don’t like using them if I’m the bottom - which 99 per cent of the time, I am. In my mind and my body I can tell the difference between condoms and bareback.


    CHERRY picking is called selective and its MISLEADING.

    The OP here is NOT being honest.

    READ THE INTERVIEW do NOT go by the MISLEADING thread title.
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
    Interesting interview. I also know the porn star he is photographed with...hmmm...I wonder...
  • sonnet129

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    Jan 05, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    Okay, so right there, he's saying he'd rather risk getting another strain of HIV (Okay, IF it exists!) or another STD with his already compromised immune system than having sex with another man with a condom (Okay, having sex with an HIV negative partner with a condom. That's so noble. He doesn't want to pass HIV to a negative guy, but passing potential disease to other positive men is okay.)

    Oh, yeah, that's his right, isn't it? So he's to be commended for being TRUTHFUL?

    Just making sure I understand.
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:11 PM GMT
    sonnet129 saidOkay, so right there, he's saying he'd rather risk getting another strain of HIV (Okay, IF it exists!) or another STD with his already compromised immune system than having sex with another man with a condom (Okay, having sex with an HIV negative partner with a condom. That's so noble. He doesn't want to pass HIV to a negative guy, but passing potential disease to other positive men is okay.)

    Oh, yeah, that's his right, isn't it? So he's to be commended for being TRUTHFUL?

    Just making sure I understand.
    He is taking his OWN responsibility for HIS own actions and has to live with the consequences. This is a free country, not the moral dictatorship you envision.

    Too bad YOU can't take responsibility for misleading the readers here. Yeah, I read your profile. And you wonder why.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    Maybe if you changed your attitude you wouldnt have to print what you did in your own profile.
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:11 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidUh... disingenuous threads are not cool whatsoever..

    THIS is what the interview says:

    Since your diagnosis, do you use condoms?

    No. But I only hook up with people who are HIV+ too. There are some doctors who say that’s dangerous because of different strains of HIV, but there are others that don’t agree. There are more risks of getting other diseases like hepatitis or other STIs. I’m turned off if someone is HIV negative. I associate them with using condoms and as horrible as that sounds, I still don’t like using them if I’m the bottom - which 99 per cent of the time, I am. In my mind and my body I can tell the difference between condoms and bareback.


    CHERRY picking is called selective and its MISLEADING.

    The OP here is NOT being honest.

    READ THE INTERVIEW do NOT go by the MISLEADING thread title.


    Okay, sorry I didn't include a completely balanced abstract in the title, but you call out my honesty and you complete believe his statement that he ONLY has unprotected sex with HIV positive men? REALLY? Only positive men %100 of the time. REALLY? He's the representative of Truth and I'm the disingenuous liar? REALLY?
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:19 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidUh... disingenuous threads are not cool whatsoever..

    THIS is what the interview says:

    Since your diagnosis, do you use condoms?

    No. But I only hook up with people who are HIV+ too. There are some doctors who say that’s dangerous because of different strains of HIV, but there are others that don’t agree. There are more risks of getting other diseases like hepatitis or other STIs. I’m turned off if someone is HIV negative. I associate them with using condoms and as horrible as that sounds, I still don’t like using them if I’m the bottom - which 99 per cent of the time, I am. In my mind and my body I can tell the difference between condoms and bareback.


    CHERRY picking is called selective and its MISLEADING.

    The OP here is NOT being honest.

    READ THE INTERVIEW do NOT go by the MISLEADING thread title.

    My dear friend: when I partnered with a poz guy, his doctor insisted I take a full battery of tests myself, to see if I had anything dangerous to my partner.

    "My patient is Tom, and my job is to take care of him," he bluntly told me. "I really don't care about you at all. ( icon_exclaim.gif ) But if you have something that will further sicken him I need to know it. I need to understand what I'm dealing with."

    I submitted myself to the entire battery of tests his doctor wanted. All my results were negative, and to his doctor's credit, I always sat by my late partner's side for all his office visits. A kind of tough love that doctor imposed on us, but there are indeed different strains of HIV, and other diseases to which a person with an impaired immune system should not be exposed.

    So that this Mason Wyler is a dangerous fool, whose example should not be followed.
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    sonnet129 said
    Okay, sorry I didn't include a completely balanced abstract in the title, but you call out my honesty and you complete believe his statement that he ONLY has unprotected sex with HIV positive men? REALLY? Only positive men %100 of the time. REALLY? He's the representative of Truth and I'm the disingenuous liar? REALLY?


    In TropicalMark's defense, your failure to tell the whole truth is based on documented cherry-picking.

    His "untruthfulness" is only a possibility, based on nothing but speculation. Certainly, his interview is candid to the point of making him look bad; moreover, poz guys that are poz exclusive are not unicorns.

    In that respect, yes, Mr. Wyler does seem more candid, honest, and believable than you do. (Don't kill the messenger.)
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:24 PM GMT
    No need for there to be a flamewar, the only issue was that the title created the false impression he was putting other people at risk for HIV infection. That's the story you presented and that's what people would think if they read your post without reading the full interview.
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:25 PM GMT
    TrojanAthlete said
    sonnet129 said
    Okay, sorry I didn't include a completely balanced abstract in the title, but you call out my honesty and you complete believe his statement that he ONLY has unprotected sex with HIV positive men? REALLY? Only positive men %100 of the time. REALLY? He's the representative of Truth and I'm the disingenuous liar? REALLY?


    In TropicalMark's defense, your failure to tell the whole truth is based on documented cherry-picking.

    His "untruthfulness" is only a possibility, based on nothing but speculation. Certainly, his interview is candid to the point of making him look bad; moreover, poz guys that are poz exclusive are not unicorns.

    In that respect, yes, Mr. Wyler does seem more candid, hoenst, and believable than you do. (Don't kill the messenger.)
    Thank You..

    Spot on.
  • sonnet129

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    Jan 05, 2012 11:26 PM GMT
    I had no illusions that anyone would come to my defense.
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:28 PM GMT
    sonnet129 saidI had no illusions that anyone would come to my defense.
    Then maybe you should have presented this differently. I have very strong convictions when it comes to agenda driven disingenuity. Especially in regards to this specific topic.
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    Jan 05, 2012 11:31 PM GMT
    sonnet129 saidI had no illusions that anyone would come to my defense.

    What is your position that needs defending? That you endorse Mason Wyler's refusal to use condoms, even though he knows he's poz? Or do you not endorse barebacking when poz?
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    Jan 06, 2012 12:01 AM GMT
    You know if the knowledge is out there that he is HIV+ and making no secret of it, and people make the educated choice to have unprotected sex with him and take that risk, fine, thats their choice.

    But if he is not informing them he is HIV+, then promoting unprotected sex, thats so wrong because he has taken the choice away from them to just walk away, and not take the risk; and I have seen both gay and bi men do that time and time again, then when they get called out on it, they go oh well I was in denial at the time. But we have laws in our state, where if a person is HIV and having unprotected sex, and not informing their victims they are infant HIV+. They will be charged for recklessly endangering lives. Put if they are open and truthful about their HIV status before any sexual act takes place, it's really hard to have them charged.
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:28 AM GMT
    Fair enough, but what about barebacking with someone who has herpes or hepatitis? That doesn't go away, and hepatitis is nasty.
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:33 AM GMT
    Shocking, except it's not. You reap what you sow.
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
    Yes because when I want to find upstanding gay citizens as my role models, I immediately look up porn stars icon_razz.gif

    He can do whatever he wants, and being honest about it is all the better as far as I'm concerned.

    The bad part is in not getting consent. As long as the person verbalizes their acceptance of the risk, then its their lives.

    I'm not interested in making moralistic judgments comparing their lives to mine, which I doubt is very close icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:44 AM GMT
    I was reading that last week and was completley shocked and disgusted. How can someone be so nonchalant to something so serious? To each their own I guess...
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:45 AM GMT
    http://www.encyclopediadramatica.ch/Mason_Wyler
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
    sonnet129 saidI had no illusions that anyone would come to my defense.


    Is there where the lights dim and you belt out your dramatic aria?

    What does "your defense" have to do with anything?

    What was your point in posting this? Surely, you had one?

    You have already demonstrated your flair for yellow journalism and cheap sensationalism - but there must have been SOME sort of bigger statement you wanted to make.

    So say it Little Big Man - and be done with it.

    Who gives a fuck about your "defense?"
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:48 AM GMT
    he don't llllllllllllllllllove himself
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:50 AM GMT
    doubleyou said
    sonnet129 saidI had no illusions that anyone would come to my defense.


    The most important lesson I've learned here.


    That's because you are a pussy and nobody likes you - here or in RL.

    Now that you have learned yer valuable lesson...leave.

    pussy.
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    Jan 06, 2012 2:53 AM GMT
    As long as his potential partners know that he is hiv positive and they both consent to sex I don't see a problem. In this case though, he says that he only has bareback sex with others that are also hiv positive. These are adults here, I'm pretty sure they know the risk that they are getting themselves into. Even if they don't, this is consentual sex between two adults, if anything happens it's on them.