Ron Paul Wants Higher Health Costs for People With HIV/AIDS

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    Jan 06, 2012 6:17 PM GMT

    Republican presidential candidate and U.S. Representative Ron Paul (R–Texas) defended a controversial statement about AIDS during a Fox News interview with Chris Wallace on January 1. “The individual suffering from AIDS is certainly a victim, frequently a victim of his own lifestyle, but this same individual victimizes individual citizens by forcing them to pay for his care,” Paul wrote in his 1987 book Freedom Under Siege. When asked if he still supported this position, Paul maintained that people with AIDS often got the disease because of their personal behavior. He added that the financial burden for their care should not be placed on “innocent” people. Paul would not deny people with AIDS health care insurance, but he would let the market and insurance companies sort it out, directly implying that people with AIDS should pay more.

    but lung cancer, morbid obesity and cirrhosis of the liver is not?


    http://www.poz.com/articles/RonPaul_HIV_highercost_1_21710.shtml


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    Jan 07, 2012 5:25 AM GMT
    Upper_Cdn said
    Republican presidential candidate and U.S. Representative Ron Paul (R–Texas) defended a controversial statement about AIDS during a Fox News interview with Chris Wallace on January 1. “The individual suffering from AIDS is certainly a victim, frequently a victim of his own lifestyle, but this same individual victimizes individual citizens by forcing them to pay for his care,” Paul wrote in his 1987 book Freedom Under Siege. When asked if he still supported this position, Paul maintained that people with AIDS often got the disease because of their personal behavior. He added that the financial burden for their care should not be placed on “innocent” people. Paul would not deny people with AIDS health care insurance, but he would let the market and insurance companies sort it out, directly implying that people with AIDS should pay more.

    but lung cancer, morbid obesity and cirrhosis of the liver is not?


    http://www.poz.com/articles/RonPaul_HIV_highercost_1_21710.shtml




    Do 'they' charge higher rates for smokers?
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    Jan 07, 2012 4:04 PM GMT
    What about the military veterans the VA infected with HIV, during routine colonoscopies here at the Miami VA hospital? Because the VA failed to properly sterilize the equipment between patients. (I thank God I refused the procedure myself while living here, during the very same time these infections occurred) And at other VA hospitals, too, I think perhaps in Tennessee? Are these patients to blame for their HIV?

    And other individuals who are innocently infected by HIV, through no fault of their own, by dozens of other methods? How ignorant and uninformed Ron Paul is, how heartless & cruel. It doesn't surprise me that right wingers here support him. It fits the pattern.
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    Art_Deco saidWhat about the military veterans the VA infected with HIV, during routine colonoscopies here at the Miami VA hospital? Because the VA failed to properly sterilize the equipment between patients. (I thank God I refused the procedure myself living here, during the very same time these infections occurred) And at other VA hospitals, too, I think perhaps in Tennessee? Are these patients to blame for their HIV?

    And other individuals who are innocently infected by HIV, through no fault of their own, by dozens of other methods? How ignorant and uninformed Ron Paul is, how heartless & cruel. It doesn't surprise me that right wingers here support him. It fits the pattern.



    Hmmm...I think this targets gay people. If someone gay contracted HIV from any of the above circumstances and couldn't prove it readily, I'm guessing that they will unfairly be judged as having caught it from risky sexual activites.

    -Doug
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    Jan 07, 2012 4:13 PM GMT
    I don't trust Ron Paul. There is something about this so called libertarian that just doesn't add up. If he calls people suffering with AIDS victims of their personal lifestyles wouldn't that also fully include people who suffer from obesity and cancericon_question.gif
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    meninlove saidHmmm...I think this targets gay people. If someone gay contracted HIV from any of the above circumstances and couldn't prove it readily, I'm guessing that they will unfairly be judged as having caught it from risky sexual activites.

    According to Ron Paul all people would be judged as guilty for having contracted HIV, by whatever means, innocent or not, and deserve no sympathy nor assistance. HIV is the disease of self-guilt in Paul's mind. Medical evidence is irrelevant.

    Yet those who chose to smoke and develop cancer as a result are entitled to free care. And likewise those who are alcoholics and have medical issues like a failed liver. The rest of us should pay for that.

    But not those infected with HIV because of poor medical procedures over which the patients have no control. Perhaps because HIV is God's righteous punishment against gays? Pity those poor innocents who get tangled up in HIV, who are no more gay than... Ron Paul? They'll find neither sympathy nor aide from him.
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    Jan 07, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
    Very transparent way for Ron Paul to appeal to religious/social conservatives that make up 75% of GOP voters.

    He can't tarnish his "Constitutionalist" image by signing the NOM pledge, so he reaches for the "AIDS = victim of his own lifestyle" meme, so popular in right wing circles.
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    Jan 07, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    According to Ron Paul all people would be judged as guilty for having contracted HIV, by whatever means, innocent or not, and deserve no sympathy nor assistance. HIV is the disease of self-guilt in Paul's mind. Medical evidence is irrelevant.

    Yet those who chose to smoke and develop cancer as a result are entitled to free care. And likewise those who are alcoholics and have medical issues like a failed liver. The rest of us should pay for that.

    But not those infected with HIV because of poor medical procedures over which the patients have no control. Perhaps because HIV is God's righteous punishment against gays? Pity those poor innocents who get tangled up in HIV, who are no more gay than... Ron Paul? They'll find neither sympathy nor aide from him.




    As you are so good at, you have once again put your own cynical spin on things that are not exactly true. Please cite a single example in which Ron Paul, as YOU put it, stated that "all people would be judged as guilty for having contracted HIV, by whatever means, innocent or not, and deserve no sympathy nor assistance".

    Where or when did Ron Paul ever say...

    Art_Deco saidHIV is God's righteous punishment against gays?


    Art_Deco saidIt doesn't surprise me that right wingers here support him. It fits the pattern.


    The only real "pattern" here is your increasingly unsettling delusional behavior icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Art_Deco said
    According to Ron Paul all people would be judged as guilty for having contracted HIV, by whatever means, innocent or not, and deserve no sympathy nor assistance. HIV is the disease of self-guilt in Paul's mind. Medical evidence is irrelevant.

    Yet those who chose to smoke and develop cancer as a result are entitled to free care. And likewise those who are alcoholics and have medical issues like a failed liver. The rest of us should pay for that.

    But not those infected with HIV because of poor medical procedures over which the patients have no control. Perhaps because HIV is God's righteous punishment against gays? Pity those poor innocents who get tangled up in HIV, who are no more gay than... Ron Paul? They'll find neither sympathy nor aide from him.




    As you are so good at, you have once again put your own cynical spin on things that are not exactly true. Please cite a single example in which Ron Paul, as YOU put it, stated that "all people would be judged as guilty for having contracted HIV, by whatever means, innocent or not, and deserve no sympathy nor assistance".

    Where or when did Ron Paul ever say...

    Art_Deco saidHIV is God's righteous punishment against gays?


    Art_Deco saidIt doesn't surprise me that right wingers here support him. It fits the pattern.


    The only real "pattern" here is your increasingly unsettling delusional behavior icon_rolleyes.gif


    Dog whistle language is the same as the actual words. I suspect that you're smart enough to know this already, but just want an excuse to take another one of your cheap shots.

    Ron Paul doesn't have to say that "AIDS is God's punishment"...because his target audience already believes this. All he has to do is stir the AIDS pot enough so they know he will bash gays. The message delivered by RP is quite clear: "Vote for me, because I have a plan to take away medical care for those diseased ravaged faggots."
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    Jan 07, 2012 5:18 PM GMT
    Wow everyone is totally taking him out of context. He never said he WANTS higher health costs for people with hiv/aids.

    He believes in letting the market and insurance companies sort it out -- they already do the same thing with people who smoke (they have to pay more, etc). He never implied anything -- stupid witch hunters are trying to find something pernicious in his stance and it simply isn't there.
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    Jan 07, 2012 5:19 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI don't trust Ron Paul. There is something about this so called libertarian that just doesn't add up. If he calls people suffering with AIDS victims of their personal lifestyles wouldn't that also fully include people who suffer from obesity and cancericon_question.gif


    Yes, he said the same thing about ANY destructive lifestyle! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 07, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidHe never implied anything -- stupid witch hunters are trying to find something pernicious in his stance and it simply isn't there.



    Agreed --- and there is NOTHING worse than a witch hunter running around spouting untruths from his Red Vespa icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 07, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    White4DarkerFL saidThe message delivered by RP is quite clear: "Vote for me, because I have a plan to take away medical care for those diseased ravaged faggots."

    +1

    And never mind about the honorable veterans who were infected with HIV by their own VA system. Or other innocents who did nothing "immoral" or "gay" to become infected with HIV.
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    Jan 07, 2012 5:46 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidI don't trust Ron Paul. There is something about this so called libertarian that just doesn't add up. If he calls people suffering with AIDS victims of their personal lifestyles wouldn't that also fully include people who suffer from obesity and cancericon_question.gif


    Yes, he said the same thing about ANY destructive lifestyle! icon_rolleyes.gif


    The only "destructive lifestyle" here is from conservative republicans and christians who fought for years (and continue to fight) against PSAs and education programs in schools for safer sex. Conservatives are OK about defending Christmas, the sanctity of marriage, protecting our little ears from swear words, etc...but demand silence when it comes to life saving information about safer sex practices.

    If conservatives love market based solutions...perhaps they'd be willing to own up to the thousands of HIV+ infections created by their own foolish policies of "abstinence only" education? If Ron Paul wants responsible parties to pay for their mistakes in a free market...I suggest he start telling conservative groups to pay up for HIV medical care and associated costs.

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    Jan 07, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    And never mind about the honorable veterans who were infected with HIV by their own VA system. Or other innocents who did nothing "immoral" or "gay" to become infected with HIV.



    Still waiting for you to provide substantiated proof from anywhere that Ron Paul would treat veterans with HIV in this way....Cricket Chirping icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 08, 2012 2:25 AM GMT
    When Ron Pauls exact words in this campaign are inspected he is not a candidate to fear. Its only when his current ideas are twisted that they become "dangerous"as some say, or when the media and Neo Cons twist and stretch what others published years back that they cannot quite pin on him.

    Look at Ron Pauls real voting record and believe me he comes away far less dangerous than these Neo Con and Israeli Lobby backed Republican mainstream war candidates do.

    Those of us who lean liberal might as well face it, the Democratic Party is very close to being just as subservient to to the Neo Con, Military Industrial war complex, the Israeli Lobby AIPAC (as attested to in our foreign policy), and no less to the Corporate Lobby's who have bought and paid for our Washington Government.
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    Art_Deco said
    And never mind about the honorable veterans who were infected with HIV by their own VA system. Or other innocents who did nothing "immoral" or "gay" to become infected with HIV.

    Still waiting for you to provide substantiated proof from anywhere that Ron Paul would treat veterans with HIV in this way....Cricket Chirping icon_rolleyes.gif

    He has made no exception for veterans, or for anyone else, but lumps all HIV patients into one group.
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    Art_Deco said
    And never mind about the honorable veterans who were infected with HIV by their own VA system. Or other innocents who did nothing "immoral" or "gay" to become infected with HIV.



    Still waiting for you to provide substantiated proof from anywhere that Ron Paul would treat veterans with HIV in this way....Cricket Chirping icon_rolleyes.gif


    You are seriously asking for proof of a hypothetical future? icon_rolleyes.gif

    What is it about conservatives and their devout belief in their own omniscience and ability to predict what OTHERS WOULD do in the FUTURE.


    Their posts almost always rest on from the Fallacy of Omniscience