Biggest Risk. i am going to take.

  • kemoze

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    Jan 06, 2012 6:39 PM GMT
    after more than a year of thinking and two years of working, i have decided to move to australia on a study visa. and i am gonna give up my job, gonna leave my family, gonna leave everything behind me only to try to be an open gay. i just want to know how it feels to ask a guy for dinner. i am egyptian after finishing college i moved to kuwait and since then i am working in kuwait.. and am going to meet the agency on sunday to complete my visa.. no one knows about this.

    i just hope to find the normal life there, i am not a sex seeker, instead i just want to be me. hope to meet understanding guys there..

    would any of you guys take such risk. ??
  • kemoze

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    Jan 06, 2012 6:48 PM GMT
    JustThisOnce saidThats very brave of you my friend. Wish you all the luck. I want to start my own life too-- just so I can be myself but right now is not the time.


    i am just worried about my mom who wants to see me but i cant get back to egypt now. maybe after settling in australia i would visit my mom. and my sisters . i really miss my home now. but got no other choice
  • kemoze

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    Jan 06, 2012 6:54 PM GMT
    JustThisOnce said
    kemoze said
    JustThisOnce saidThats very brave of you my friend. Wish you all the luck. I want to start my own life too-- just so I can be myself but right now is not the time.


    i am just worried about my mom who wants to see me but i cant get back to egypt now. maybe after settling in australia i would visit my mom. and my sisters . i really miss my home now. but got no other choice


    aww hugs man. I know you are i a difficult place. Does your parents know btw that you are gay?


    my parents dont know.. but one day before i go to work.. while having my breakfast i texted all friends in egypt and told them that i am gay.. so far they cant believe it.. but i am gonna tell my family when i move. cuz i am staying with my father in kuwait ..
  • kemoze

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    Jan 06, 2012 6:57 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidWow! Awesome!!! It will be the best move of your life! You will never regret it!


    i hope so. as i said before i am really thinking positively. but i am only worried about being arabian guy living in australia.. dont know . just hope pple to be more understanding and dont descriminate against me .. lol
  • allatonce

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    Jan 06, 2012 7:14 PM GMT
    kemoze said
    AMoonHawk saidWow! Awesome!!! It will be the best move of your life! You will never regret it!


    i hope so. as i said before i am really thinking positively. but i am only worried about being arabian guy living in australia.. dont know . just hope pple to be more understanding and dont descriminate against me .. lol


    I think you are going to have a great time. Australia sounds like an awesome place to live. Generally people don't regret "going for it" I think. So go for it.
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:19 PM GMT
    Good on you, and good luck!
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    i think that is great, good luck
  • okologische

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    Jan 06, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    thats soo brave! good luck! you can do it!
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:26 PM GMT
    Good for you! I think you will really enjoy it. I moved across the country from Michigan to Phoenix Arizona and it was the best move I ever made. I just recently moved back to my home town in Michigan and am a much better person than I was before I left.

    Good luck to you! icon_biggrin.gif
  • jeremylk7

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    Jan 06, 2012 11:42 PM GMT
    I think it will be a great experience of you. Good luck! Let us know how it goes!
  • Suetonius

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    Jan 06, 2012 11:46 PM GMT
    Great decision! Best of luck. Australia is a great country. But Australia isn't paradise - you will find some prejudice there. Don't know where you are planning to live, but if it's Sydney, you will find it a cosmopolitan place with lots of gays. Unfortunately, there was a bit of trouble a few years ago in beachside suburbs south of Sydney between racist white guys and Lebanese immigrant gangs. Worth investigating before you decide to live in an immigrant neighborhood there.
  • kemoze

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    Jan 07, 2012 3:55 AM GMT
    Thank you guys for all these positive replies, thats why i like realjock.

    regarding discrimination issues, i think i am gonna overcome it. i am not expecting to live in paradise. i am expecting the lowest and the worst cases. but at least i can say i am gay, and i can date,

    thank you guys .. cheers
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    Jan 07, 2012 5:22 AM GMT

    "would any of you guys take such risk. ??"

    Yes, I would (and I would hide Bill in the trunk of the car).


    -Doug
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:21 AM GMT
    Absolutely! Cheers!
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:36 AM GMT
    You're a good example to anyone who says they are unhappy because of their circumstances. We all have it in us to fight and break free from them (even if it is difficult and uncomfortable) and take charge and command of our happiness.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:47 AM GMT
    you are a hero, an exemplar to us all
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jan 07, 2012 6:49 AM GMT
    it's hella safer than bareback sex!!
    You thought it out. Go for it and live your life!
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:57 AM GMT
    Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it
    Cannot stress that enough..
    I'm going to do the same thing, so it'll be nice to hear a success story icon_smile.gif
  • FRE0

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    Jan 07, 2012 7:06 AM GMT
    Your moving to Australia sounds like a good idea. It is a much freer country which is both good and bad. For people who are clear thinking and have good judgment, the fact that Australia is a much freer country than yours is good. Obviously there will be adjustments to make, but my guess is that you will be happy with your choice.
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    Jan 07, 2012 7:52 AM GMT
    YES YES YES!!!! take it. its really not that big of a risk i think. the bigger risk is regretting it your whole life if you dont.

    if you find you are flat on your ass, you can just pack up and go home, right? your family will still be there, and you can find another job when you get back. you really dont have anything to lose and EVERYTHING to gain
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 07, 2012 7:57 AM GMT
    kemoze saidafter more than a year of thinking and two years of working, i have decided to move to australia on a study visa. and i am gonna give up my job, gonna leave my family, gonna leave everything behind me only to try to be an open gay. i just want to know how it feels to ask a guy for dinner. i am egyptian after finishing college i moved to kuwait and since then i am working in kuwait.. and am going to meet the agency on sunday to complete my visa.. no one knows about this.

    i just hope to find the normal life there, i am not a sex seeker, instead i just want to be me. hope to meet understanding guys there..

    would any of you guys take such risk. ??



    What a great adventure this will be. You will not be able to NOT grow from this experience and have it enrich your life. Just go with a positive attitude that something is drawing you to Australia to do this -- and go for it. Good luck!!! Hope you keep us up-to-date on your experience.
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    Jan 07, 2012 9:00 AM GMT
    Australia is one of the most multicultural countries on Earth and Sydney is representative of that. Despite the mix of people we've virtually never had any of the issues that Europe has with respect to race violence. I'd be less worried about living here than in Europe or the US.

    As one RJer pointed out, we did have a very isolated issue some years back in the suburb of Cronulla, which is about as south of Sydney as you can get before you're out of the city. This is the absolute exception to the rule here and even on that occasion it was handled swiftly and effectively by police.

    Oh and we had that redneck politician about a decade ago who came to power on a racist agenda. But she disappeared as quickly as she came about.

    That's about the only issues I can think of and I've lived here practically all my 35 years.

    Sydney has the largest number of Lebanese outside Lebanon and the suburbs around Auburn/Parramatta in the city's west are extremely multicultural and representative of close to 200 nationalities. Different nationalities seem to settle in congregations. All have their fave suburbs, but remember Sydney is still a relatively small city on the global scale, at 4 million. So there is a lot of interracial mixing as opposed to separation.

    Even the local mosque here is diverse in nationalities.
    http://www.gallipolimosque.org.au/mosque_history.aspx?iPageID=5

    It might be worth pointing out that Australia has some of the strongest anti-discrimination laws in the world. Given the legal system is often a delayed reflection of reality in most jurisdictions, it should indicate to you that discrimination is not only illegal, it's not acceptable to most Australians.

    At this point it's also worth pointing out that as a rule Australians do have a very dry sense of humour. And we are a pretty relaxed people.
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    Jan 07, 2012 2:53 PM GMT
    This is really interesting and certainly not in mainstream conversation where it belongs. Other than Constantino's story about leaving Guatemala, even we don't get many stories in the gay community of people emigrating for their sexual freedom.

    Sexual expression isn't even mentioned in Wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration
    There are many reasons why people might choose to emigrate. Some are for reasons of religious, political or economic freedom or escape. Others have personal reasons such as marriage. Some people living in rich nations with cold climates choose to move to warmer climates when they retire.

    Emigration had a profound influence on the world in the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries, when millions of poor families left Europe for the United States, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, the rest of Latin America, Australia and New Zealand.


    Factors leading to emigrationMotives to migrate can be either incentives attracting people away, known as pull factors, or circumstances encouraging a person to leave, known as push factors, for example

    Push factors
    Lack of employment or entrepreneurial opportunities
    Lack of political or religious rights
    Restrictions on practice of religion
    Shortage of farmland; hard to start new farms
    Oppressive legal/political conditions
    Military draft, warfare
    Famine or drought
    Cultural fights with other cultural groups
    Expulsion by armed force or coercion

    Pull factors
    Better opportunities for acquiring farms for self and children
    Cheap purchase of farmland
    Instant wealth (as in California Gold Rush)
    More job opportunities
    Higher pay
    Prepaid travel (from relatives)
    Better welfare programmes
    Better schools
    Join friends and relatives who have already moved
    Build a new nation
    Build religious community
    Political freedom
    Cultural richness


    This is a curious form of emigration, as I'd imagine it usually does not include the emigrant's existing family and since we are gay it is not an act of emigrating for our future generations. But it is valid just the same on an individual level.

    You should write to Wiki and tell them your story so that they fix their entry on emigration.
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    Jan 07, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
    Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Good luck.
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    Jan 07, 2012 3:13 PM GMT
    That is a very brave thing to do. I wish you a great future. Hopefully your family will be accepting, you will love Australia and want them to visit you there. I have been to both Sydney and Melbourne and they were fantastic cities.