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    Jan 06, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
    Ok, so I'm curious. It's been a very VERY long time since I've read up on pyramids. It's not something I'm extremely interested in, but it's amazing to me how something so tall could be made by an ancient civilization.

    The last time I read up on pyramids, they were one of the 7 Wonders of the World. These things were massive, and were primarily used as tombs for the Egyptians kings. Now, I don't know if this is true or not (Which is why I'm just leaving this a free and open discussion), but is it true that one of the reasons why the pyramids are so massive and so big is to protect the tomb of their ancient Kings? Is that true?

    Also, is there anything new on pyramids? Are they still down in Egypt? Any new findings?

    Sorry...the "Kings" were called Pharaohs...that's right.

    Ok, discuss away...
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    Jan 06, 2012 9:36 PM GMT
    yeah...as well as to glorify the Pharoah...the word "Pharoah"..in Coptic..means "great house"...it designated the Ruler..whose dwelling was considered foremost above average Egyptians.also..the pyramids provided magickal "protection"..for the Ka..the immortal spirit of the one entombed in them...the Ancient Egyptians believed that the mummified remains had to remain intact...or the Ka would be lost forever..[no body to come back into].there is now been uncovered evidence that all workers on the pyramids were not slaves..but a class of ancient stoneworkers...as well as common farmers who worked a kind of corvee system...[pressed into service during that time of the year when the Nile was covering the farmland..and they could not work in the fields].
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    Jan 06, 2012 9:43 PM GMT
    according to historical legend...the workers on the pyramids were fed onions and garlic to make them healthy and strong...the masons who engineered the pyramids did such good stonework that a knife blade cannot be inserted between the blocks...the pyramid with it's 3 sides represented the holy "trinity"of ancient Egypt..Osiris...Isis....and their son Horus..
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    Jan 06, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
    eddie13 said...the pyramid with it's 3 sides represented the holy "trinity"of ancient Egypt..Osiris...Isis....and their son Horus..
    The pyramids have 4 sides. Someone's missing from your claim.
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    Jan 06, 2012 9:55 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    eddie13 said...the pyramid with it's 3 sides represented the holy "trinity"of ancient Egypt..Osiris...Isis....and their son Horus..
    The pyramids have 4 sides. Someone's missing from your claim.


    he forgot to mention me, the forth side represents meicon_evil.gif
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    Jan 06, 2012 10:14 PM GMT
    let me clarify...i'm not referring to the "faces" of the structure...i'm talking about the 3 sided surfaces....and that's only one Egyptologist's hypothesis..about the triad of Ancient Egypt...others have put forth the notion that they were designed as "resurrection machines"...and that the 4 faced...3 sided surfaced pyramid possesed magical powers to bring the dead back to life...
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    Jan 06, 2012 10:38 PM GMT
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    TRIANGLE
    A three sided polygon, beign the first enclosed shape possible with straight lines. The Triangle is important in Masonry due to its connection to the sacred number three and also because it has long represented the concept of the Deity in geometrical form.


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    TRIANGLE

    There is no symbol more important in its significance, more various in its application, or more generally diffused throughout the whole system of Freemasonry, than the triangle. An examination of it, therefore, cannot fail to be interesting to the Masonic student.


    The equilateral triangle appears to have been adopted by nearly all the nations of antiquity as a symbol of the Deity, in some of his forms or emanations, and hence, probably, the prevailing influence of this symbol was carried into the Jewish system, where the Yod within the triangle was made to represent the Tetragrammaton, or sacred name of God.


    The equilateral triangle, says Brother D. W. Nash (Freemasons Magazine iv, page 294), "viewed in the light of the doctrines of those who gave it currency as a divine symbol, represents the Great First Cause, the Creator and Container of all things, as one and indivisible, manifesting Himself in an infinity of forms and attributes in this visible universe." Among the Egyptians, the darkness through which the candidate for initiation was made to pass was symbolized by the trowel, an important Masonic implement, which, in their system of hieroglyphics, has the form of a triangle. The equilateral triangle they considered as the most perfect of figures, and a representative of the great principle of animated existence, each of its sides referring to one of the three departments of creation, the animal, vegetable, and mineral.


    The equilateral triangle is to be found scattered throughout the Masonic system. It forms in the Royal Arch the figure within which the jewels of the officers are suspended. It is in the Ineffable Degrees the sacred Delta, everywhere presenting itself as the symbol of the Grand Architect of the Universe. In Ancient Craft Masonry, it is constantly exhibited as the element of important ceremonies. The seats of the principal officers are arranged in a triangular form, the three Lesser Lights have the same situation, and the Square and Compasses form, by their union on the greater light, two triangles meeting at their bases. In short, the equilateral triangle may be considered as one of the most constant forms of Masonic symbolism.



    The right-angled triangle is another form of this figure which is deserving of attention. Among the Egyptians, it was the symbol of universal nature; the base representing Osiris, or the male principle; the perpendicular, Isis, or the female principle; and the hypotenuse, Horus, their son, or the product of the male and female principle.


    This symbol was received by Pythagoras from the Egyptians during his long sojourn in that country, and with it he also learned the peculiar property it possessed, namely, that the sum of the squares of the two shorter sides is equal to the square of the longest side-symbolically expressed by the formula, that the product of Osiris and Isis is Horus. This figure has been adopted in the Third Degree of Freemasonry, and will be there recognized as the Forty-seventh Problem of Euclid (see Forty-seventh Problem).


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    THE TRIANGLE
    By Bro. Harold A. Kingsbury, Massachusetts
    While the Triangle is seldom directly called to the Mason's attention there are but few of the symbols used in Masonry which are so frequently placed before the Craftsman for him to recognize and to contemplate if he but will. The presentations of this symbol are, however, generally unemphasized and more or less veiled because that is the way of Masonry with respect to its first-rate symbols, i.e., the Cube, Point within the Circle, Square, Apron, etc., as distinguished from its second-rate symbols, the Beehive, Ark and Anchor, etc. And these repeated and partially concealed presentations are made with the design that the Mason will have aroused in him a Spirit of Inquiry and, so, will turn his attention to the symbol and, by his Masonic Craftsmanship, bring himself to a knowledge of its history and to an understanding of its symbolic significance.


    The Triangle appears in Masonry in two forms, the Right Triangle, i.e., that Triangle which has one of its angles a right angle, ninety degrees, or the one-fourth part of a Circle, and the Equilateral Triangle, i.e., that Triangle which has all its sides equal, each to the other, and, of course, has each of its angles equal to sixty degrees. Although these two Triangles have, symbolically and historically, certain features in common, for example, both were used as symbols by the Egyptians and both present the significant number Three, yet their symbolic suggestions are in many respects so different that they may, not improperly, be considered as distinct symbols.


    THE RIGHT TRIANGLE
    Of all the references to this Symbol this is obviously not the place to speak, but any Mason can profitably occupy himself in discovering them. A few examples of the exoteric presentations and references to it are: the Forty-Seventh Problem of Euclid; the Square of the Square and Compass, which Square, when a third, and completing side is supplied, presents the Right Triangle; the stations of the Three Principal Officers of the Lodge, together with the Altar, which define two Right Triangles; and the Altar together with the Three Lesser Lights, which, when those Lights are placed, as in some jurisdictions, at the stations of the Three Principal Officers, rather than, as in other jurisdictions, about the Altar, mark out two Right Triangles. Various other examples could be cited, as there are many, but to do so would but defeat one of the principles of Masonry the Mason must learn of Masonry by his own effort.


    The Right Triangle is to the Mason, as it was to the ancient Egyptians, the symbol of Universal Nature. The Egyptians, long prior to Pythagoras, the statement in the Monitor notwithsanding, knew of this symbol and of those peculiar properties set forth in the statement of the Forty-Seventh Problem, "In any right triangle the square (A in the figure) of the side (hypotenuse) opposite the right angle is equal to the sum of the square (B and C) of the sides (legs) making the right angle." And the Egyptians, making use of these properties for purposes of symbolism, considered one leg as symbolizing Osiris, the Male, considered the other leg as symbolizing Isis, the Female, and considered the hypotenuse as symbolizing Horus, the Son and product of Isis and Osiris. Thus, plainly, the Right Triangle presents to the Mason, for his most earnest and devout consideration, God's Great Handiwork Universal Nature.


    Moreover, this symbol, in calling attention to Osiris and Isis, points out to the Mason the probable Raurea of an important Legend and teaches him that that Legend is but another and, so far as the specific character of its incidents are concerned, relatively "up to date" version of a world-old legend told and retold to us, as to the ancient Egyptians, by the rising, sinking, and rerising Sun and by the Procession of the Seasons.


    Again, the Right Triangle
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    A triangle is two-dimensional. A pyramid is a three-dimensional. It certainly does not have three sides. It has four 3-sided faces and one 4-sided face (its bottom, in the case of the monumental tombs of Egypt). It may appear to be a two-dimensional figure with three sides - a triangle - if viewed from certain angles, essentially looking directly at one of its four three-sided faces. That seems to be what you mean.

    I'm only bothering because pedants who are insistent but wrong should not be allowed to get away with it.
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    Wow, how cool! I love little stuff like that, but history bores me for some reason. I just don't find it fascinating. Though, there are some things in history that I didn't learn a whole lot about that I wanted to explore.
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    tallchris saidA triangle is two-dimensional. A pyramid is a three-dimensional. It certainly does not have three sides. It has four 3-sided faces and one 4-sided face (its bottom, in the case of the monumental tombs of Egypt). It may appear to be a two-dimensional figure with three sides - a triangle - if viewed from certain angles, essentially looking directly at one of its four three-sided faces. That seems to be what you mean.

    I'm only bothering because pedants who are insistent but wrong should not be allowed to get away with it.


    refer to my 2nd post.....i said 3 sided surfaces....same thing you said....the bottom was simply a base..the upper part of the structure is what would have been visible,and therefore the mystical symbolism would have been represented there...and i am NOT a pedant....i am simply passing on what others have written on the subject...and sometimes many words are needed to explain a concept.....and there is nothing i am "trying to get away with"...these are the works of others...not mine..i am merely passing it on..
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:43 PM GMT
    Jaken saidbut is it true that one of the reasons why the pyramids are so massive and so big is to protect the tomb of their ancient Kings? Is that true?


    I think it was more to glorify them rather than protect them. They also were built to symbolize the power of the kingdom. Just a guess on my part, but I would imagine they hid the treasure in blocked secret chambers so nobody would steal it and defile their spiritual journey. All their belongings as well as their body had to be preserved.
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:43 PM GMT
    a pyramid is nothing more than 4 triangles locked together to form a 4 sided structure...nothing more...nothing less...it is an inescapable fact...
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:44 PM GMT
    Jaken saidAre they still down in Egypt?


    Nope they have picked them up and coming to your city soon!
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:49 PM GMT
    TheCelticFury said
    Jaken saidAre they still down in Egypt?


    Nope they have picked them up and coming to your city soon!


    Sweet....do they have a manual in English on how to set one of those things up?

    Oh, and how many man hours does it take to build one of them damn things? I only have.....30-35 more years....is that enough?

    Oh, and is my tomb gonna be made out of gold?
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    Jan 06, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
    eddie13 said...various obtuse ramblings about:


    TRIANGLE
    A three sided polygon,

    ending with:

    Again, the Right Triangle


    I wasn't correcting you on the (planar geometric definition of) triangle, which you didn't mention in your post, I was correcting you on your (volumar geometric definition of) pyramid, which you did mention.

    Pyramids can have 3 sides (discounting the base) if the base is a triangle. The Egyptian pyramids are 4-sided (discounting the base). Of course you knew that.

    However, this nonsense about a "right triangle." Well, now you've gone and done it again. There are no right triangles in the Egyptian pyramids except the (implied by bisecting from corner to corner) base. The whole Masonic mumbo-jumbo had no bearing in the construction of the pyramids, which predate the Masons by thousands of years.
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    Jan 07, 2012 12:00 AM GMT
    Those in Giza are relative in size and position to each other to represent the bright stars in Orion's belt.

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    Jan 07, 2012 12:41 AM GMT
    The triangle features in hinduism as well...

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    and so is the double triangle, and cross

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    Jan 07, 2012 12:42 AM GMT
    well perhaps i was wrong on the pyramid and the triad theory...i am sorry about my mistake...and i stand corrected...thank you all for pointing out my error...i sometimes get my facts twisted...too much reading i suppose..sorry for any hurt feelings and the misunderstanding...i will remove myself from this site...as i have appeared to have made a fool of myself...and sharks are all too ready to rip me to pieces.................
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    Jan 07, 2012 12:42 AM GMT
    note that the top triangle features namelessness.. this the highest point of divinity, beyond name or gender, beyond comprehension...
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    Jan 07, 2012 12:51 AM GMT
    eddie13 saidwell perhaps i was wrong on the pyramid and the triad theory...i am sorry about my mistake...and i stand corrected...thank you all for pointing out my error...i sometimes get my facts twisted...too much reading i suppose..sorry for any hurt feelings and the misunderstanding...i will remove myself from this site...as i have appeared to have made a fool of myself...and sharks are all too ready to rip me to pieces.................


    Eddie...don't leave. It's alright man, don't ever sweat the small stuff. You know, I used to always hate myself, and get upset easily, and sometimes too prideful. We all make errors, if we didn't, we certainly wouldn't be living here. You're fine the way you are. You're an individual, with a set of beliefs, a set of emotions, a set of fears, a set of strengths, a set of weaknesses, but a person, all the same. A movie that came out...hmmm...I don't remember how long ago it was, but it was the animated movie "Horton Hears A Who." I've read the book before, but the main message is "A Person Is A Person, No Matter How Small." Beautiful, yet profound message. Be happy for who you are. I personally think you're pretty cool. You display humility, something that not too many people display nowadays. People like you are a dime a dozen. Ok, so you messed up.....well...welcome to life. Some of the most successful people are some of the most flawed as well. This is what makes humanity great!

    "Keep your chin held high, and never look down. You can only go forward....NEVER backward."
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    Jan 07, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
    well i won't leave because you have been kind...thank you
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    Jan 07, 2012 1:14 AM GMT
    eddie13 saidwell i won't leave because you have been kind...thank you


    Thank you Eddie. That was very nice of you. Like my Uncle Wilbur always says "You're a Gentleman of a scholar." Oh man...I miss him...I hardly ever see him anymore. :/ He had the BEST war stories. He was drafted so much, but I love talking to him. He's so insightful.

    But Eddie, always remember, you're your own person. You don't need people making you think otherwise. The reason why people are called individuals is because...that's what they are. They're individuals...haha. So, be who you are....an individual. You're a person, not dirt. Stay cool.