Lucid Dreaming

  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 19, 2008 11:46 PM GMT
    Had my third (and only ever) lucid dream the other night.

    The first one I ever had was when I was a kid and I was scared one night and couldn't sleep. Before I went to sleep, I imagined myself on the deck of the Enterprise. I fell asleep and presto! there I was.

    The second lucid dream was a nightmare I kept having, with a black knight chasing me down a beach. I got really tired of having that dream, so I decided to do something about it. I took control one night, turned to face the night and pushed his lance into the sand which caused him to catapult over me. I never had the dream again.

    Now, after many years I had another lucid dream. I was, for some reason, going to my Mom's house but the topology and surrounding area was very different than where my Mom lives. I then realized it must be a dream. It was dusk and I looked around taking everything in. There were lots of small house around, many with porch lights. I was looking at them and then one went out. Cool! I started walking around and saw a group of elephants.
    I tried to get one of them to chase me, but they didn't seem interested and walked away. As I proceeded to across a field, I saw one charge me. It ran over me and I slipped between its legs as it did so. The whole thing somehow didn't seem "real" and then I woke up.
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    Jun 20, 2008 12:28 AM GMT
    As my brain readjusts from teh cancer drugs, I have "lucid" dreams every night. It is fascinating to contemplate in the morning what might have stimulated them.
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    Jun 20, 2008 12:43 AM GMT
    Caslon4000 saidAs my brain readjusts from teh cancer drugs, I have "lucid" dreams every night. It is fascinating to contemplate in the morning what might have stimulated them.


    Have you been able to interact or otherwise control things that happen in your dreams?
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    Jun 20, 2008 12:49 AM GMT
    swimbikerun said[quote][cite]Caslon4000 said[/cite]As my brain readjusts from teh cancer drugs, I have "lucid" dreams every night. It is fascinating to contemplate in the morning what might have stimulated them.

    Have you been able to interact or otherwise control things that happen in your dreams?


    No. And the dreams are always different.
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    Jun 20, 2008 2:10 AM GMT
    I had one once a long time ago. I was at a beach party with other people who were sleeping. Had a good time. Then the sun was coming up and i remembered i had to wake up so i said goodbye to everyone, went back home and went to my bed and woke myself up. I then woke up in real life.
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    Jun 20, 2008 7:04 AM GMT
    I Have weird dream's most night's or early morn's?

    All in colour as well and sometimes they wear me out!



    I find eating cheese at night does not help?

    Maybe there is something in cheese that set's them off?

    I love cheese.



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    Jun 20, 2008 7:13 AM GMT
    The only lucid dream I have is falling into an endless ravine. I always wake up with a start.
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    Jun 20, 2008 7:20 AM GMT
    i wish i could have lucid dreams. the moment i start to become aware, i wake up.
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    Jun 20, 2008 10:12 AM GMT
    When I was quitting smoking I used the Nicoderm patches..those things give you the most incredibly vivid dreams.. makes me want to put one on before bed every once in a while.

    There is even a warning on the box to remove them before bed if you are prone to nightmares or the dreams bother you.
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    Jun 20, 2008 12:05 PM GMT
    There's a topic on this a while back. icon_razz.gif

    And no, I've never had a lucid dream, though I'd love to experience one.

    I have vivid dreams, but never one where I knew I was awake.

    I did have a nightmare once though where I convinced myself I was awake. I recounted the experience on the nightmares thread here (can't find it). Anyway, I dreamt that I woke up and there was someone lying next to me and I couldn't move or scream, couldn't even turn my head. But somehow I knew that whoever that person lying next to me was, he was dead.

    *shivers*

    I woke up and realized that it was only a dream because the layout of my room in the dream was the one a few years back and the lighting was reddish. Still... it was weird because I really believed I was awake.

    On the other hand, there are the real nightmares. The one where you wake up and can't move? icon_razz.gif Happened to me a lot when I was younger - often accompanied with a horrible feeling of impending doom and the presence of something malevolent (even imagined I actually saw it a few times through half-opened eyes).

    I hate those kind of nightmares. I'm claustrophobic and am in danger of hyperventilating myself to death when that happens. Anyway, hasn't happened for years now. So I guess I'm safe. icon_razz.gif
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    Jun 20, 2008 2:35 PM GMT
    Most of mine are lucid, though I tend to forget most of them within a few days. I still have night terrors about dogs, wolves or bears trying to kill me at least a couple times a month. Those are always very memorable.

    Maybe your lucid dreaming is a sign from Ceiling Cat to repent your wicked atheistic ways swimbikerun.icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 20, 2008 2:46 PM GMT
    Mine is always me attempting to balance on a brick wall that's sky high and then I slip and fall off and in the midst of the initial fall is when I abruptly wake up! I get these, that I'm able to recall, maybe like once every month or two....
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    Jun 20, 2008 3:08 PM GMT
    icon_biggrin.gif Hi guyz! Dreams, Ha, Lucid or not they all have a underlining meaning. I know some do not believe in this but the deep part of our system of thoughts trust and care vitally depends on how and what we dream. Of course we all know what goes on throughout our day can and sometimes does determine what we dream. If we do our best in our day our system or core of all of our chemistry hormones, diet(nutrtitional intake) sex, problems, bills, drama, choas, work, etc all have and take a huge toll literally on our systems. When and only when we REST our bodies will rebuild this track of connection in ourselves. For example Post Tramatic Stress Disorder is a real issue. I have worked with many militarty agents whom have had this as we all have had a situtation in our life to give us this. It is a real problem. And or until we do something about it. If we do not do something about it , then our BODY WISDOM will take over and help us out. Many things can happen to us in our life that will take effect on how we life , think and feel. THis enables our body wisdom to do its job. But dependant on how we think about this or that will determine the outcome of the dreams. And you have heard do not eat late at night or go to bed mad. These are examples of how really our body is senstive to such things. It is not a question of being strong it is a insight to the awareness we all carry and are responsible for. Try to settle your thoughts, mind and body before going to bed each night, go through your mind your whole day and become satisfied with what you did or did not do. Then embrace not surrender (this is defeat) to the testimony that you recieve among yourself. Take Care guys and make it a great night sleep! Coach Damon, "DrSporty" Harper from Soul Strength PRoductions at www.DRSPORTY.COM SEE U THERE!
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    Jun 20, 2008 3:12 PM GMT
    DrSporty said Try to settle your thoughts, mind and body before going to bed each night, go through your mind your whole day and become satisfied with what you did or did not do. Then embrace not surrender (this is defeat) to the testimony that you recieve among yourself. Take Care guys and make it a great night sleep! Coach Damon, "DrSporty" Harper from Soul Strength PRoductions at www.DRSPORTY.COM SEE U THERE!


    I've actually noticed that since starting Bikram's Yoga it has made a HUGE difference in my sleep as well as my dreaming
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    Jun 20, 2008 3:22 PM GMT
    I've only had one that really stands out and it was a horrible nightmare. I love the dreams when i'm flying the best.
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    Jun 20, 2008 3:34 PM GMT
    jprswim saidi wish i could have lucid dreams. the moment i start to become aware, i wake up.


    Yeah that's almost my problem too. Whenever I take control in the dream, shortly afterwards I wake up.

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    Maybe your lucid dreaming is a sign from Ceiling Cat to repent your wicked atheistic ways swimbikerun.icon_lol.gif

    I mentioned this most current dream to a co-worker and she asked me what I thought it "meant". I told her I was an atheist and the dream didn't really mean anything. If I had a dream about an emotionally charged encounter with someone in particular, then that might mean something.

    Last night, I had just such a dream. lol!
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    Jun 20, 2008 3:40 PM GMT
    my dreams have always been really vivid, and appeal to all of my senses- i remember most of them, or a lot of them, and sometimes my dreams from a long time ago get mixed up in my memory with real events so i'm never sure if early childhood things happened or were dreamed (these being the more mundane dreams, obviously- i know i never flew lol).

    a lot of my dreams are lucid dreams, but this doesn't always help like it should.. i'll know i'm in a dream, or even that i've dreamed it before- in which case i'll maybe know what's going to happen next- but that doesn't always give me the ability to just 'do whatever i want.' i'll think 'oh, i'm having a dream. kewl! that means i should just be able to jump into the air and fly!' -so i try, and land on my face lol. its kinda disappointing. its like knowing im in a dream doesn't free me from whatever rules its playing by. maybe my subconscious is too well ordered? :p anyways, i do rarely have those dreams where i can do whatever i want, and they're as amazing as can be expected.

    there are ways of training ones mind to be able to do this, or to do it better, by keeping a dream journal upon waking every day, and be doing certain meditative practices to train the imagination and one's control over it during sleep-like trance states. sometimes, my meditations slip into becoming lucid dreams without me knowing it lol.

    but yeah, on the whole, they're good fun. i'm always amused when i have really deep intellectual conversations with my dream characters, and wake up with new ideas that i'm not entirely sure i came up with on my own :p good times.

    i suggest watching the movie 'Waking Life' if you haven't seen it icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 20, 2008 3:44 PM GMT
    But it's hard to tell at times when dreams are just dreams and the others are out of body experiences and real?
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    Jun 20, 2008 3:59 PM GMT
    dreams are all real- that is, the processes in the brain are identical to those of waking life, the only difference being that there's no external stimuli being interpreted. and of course, your brain waves are operating at a much slower rate. but really, how the brain fabricates the dream is the same as how it fabricates anything else- including 'reality.' i take them as seriously as i do waking life- which is to say, not very; or rather, i distrust their 'reality' equally. they have a lot of value if you don't discount them though- whether its merely the insights they can offer, or whether you believe in their ability to prophesy, dreams have been used or at least respected by man for as long as we've been here. and i think all dreams are an out of body experience in a sense... you're exploring the aether (of living symbols, archetypes, fundamental reality beneath the surface level.)
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    Jun 20, 2008 4:06 PM GMT
    As fascinating as I find lucid dreams are, they are not "real". There is no such thing as an "out of body" experience. It is nothing more than a vivid imagination and there is no prophesy occuring.
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    Jun 20, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    well thats a cute sentiment, and its a valid belief i guess... but no more provable than its alternative... i wouldn't try to change your mind, but if i were you i'd refrain from speaking with absolute certainty.
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    Jun 20, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    Again, we're back to the same position as other matters of spirituality. Your answer to TurkishDelight's query reffered to the "aether". There is no proof such a thing exists.
    Anyone who posits that dreams are anything more than pure imagination must provide evidence to be believed.

    We live in the 21st century and I'm frustrated that people still choose to live in the shadows of the Dark Ages. I certainly won't refrain about the certainty that some poeple wilfully choose to delude themselves.

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    Jun 20, 2008 4:23 PM GMT
    and anyone who says they're not must do likewise. i challenge you to disprove the possibility of an aether. though honestly, you don't even know what i mean when i say that word so i think you have a lot of reading to do before you begin to attempt it. logic is a two way street; recall how easy it'd been for our ancestors to ignore the reality of gravity or of air simply because they couldn't 'prove' it, as well as because those things were such an integral part in their experience of reality that there was no especial reason for looking into them too closely. the aether is as real as our subconscious, its as real as imagination, at the very least, and that's as real as anything can be said to be, philosophically. though more truly than that, it can also be said to have an 'objective' reality underlying the more surface level one we interact with directly.

    its frustrating to ME how much absolute faith people blindly put in a surface level interpretation of everything, when modern science itself is beginning to discover its limits and the fundamental flaws in empiricism- the more we discover and 'know,' the less we realize we actually Know. quantum mechanics has literally turned everything we thought we knew on its head and a lot of the best scientists are actually looking back to a re-integration of mysticism/spirituality with science, as its intended to be. there are simply things- whole aspects of reality- that defy exploration and definition by strict scientific means. that doesn't mean they aren't true, it just means that our methods are very practical for some things, and quite useless for others. i assure you, the exploration of those things that science can't wrap its greedy lil fingers around yet is not a futile effort- indeed, its the most noble of all. true ignorance is the complacent satisfaction with what's already known at its face value- imagine if your beloved scientists chose to stop prodding reality with ever deeper questions- if they just said 'ok, we've pretty much got it figured out now, i guess we can all retire.' its ridiculous- reality is more than we make it out to be, and its more than science has been able to define- or ever will be able to- some things defy definition. i think the empirical science of the enlightenment and the divorce of science and spirituality has led to a new dark age; a particularly insidious one wherein we are as convinced of the 'reality' of our beliefs as the christians were of theirs 1000 years ago. its no less faulty of a world view, and some of our greatest thinkers attest to that. get off your high horse, you're as wrong as i am.
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    Jun 20, 2008 4:28 PM GMT
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  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 20, 2008 4:34 PM GMT
    Again this is the same kind of claim that can be made for any imaginary thing, an Orbiting TeaPot, The Spagetti Monster, Unicorns, the list is endless.

    One can never "prove" such things do not exist. Around the next bend, just over the hill or somewhere such things might exist.

    By all means, please continue with your description of this thing called "aether". Will you be giving a lecture at a college anytime soon on its properties?

    Even in ancient times, one could demonstrate the indirect nature of gravity and air. Gravity and air change as a body moves underwater for example.

    What might we do to see if this "aether" indirectly exists or not?

    I wouldn't exactly equate imagination with external reality. I can do things in dreams I cannot do when I'm awake.