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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 07, 2012 6:12 PM GMT
    This is down-to-the-wire "do or die" crunch time for former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman. He must perform exceptionally well in tonight's GOP debate, as he is the ONLY candidate left in the race who can truly hold his own against Mitt Romney and withstand the scrutiny of a general election. While the poll numbers are not encouraging, anything can happen to be a game-changer between now and Tuesday's NH primary. Go Jon!!!!!

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    Jan 07, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
    I intend to watch this debate. Without Michele Bachman's idiocy it might actually be the first debate that is not completely cringeworthy.

    Romney against Huntsman. with Gingrich & Insanatorium for laughs.


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    Jan 07, 2012 6:21 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidI intend to watch this debate. Without Michele Bachman's idiocy it might actually be the first debate that is not completely cringeworthy.

    Romney against Huntsman. with Gingrich & Insanatorium for laughs.



    I just hope that they give Jon Huntsman the time he deserves. If they don't, he should just demand it -- because this really is his very last chance to make a statement that gets people to open their eyes and really take an good hard honest look at this man.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    I don't have strong opinions about him either way, although I do put some stock in what shybuffguy said a few weeks ago. Certainly he has his perspective.

    I was not particularly impressed with Huntsman avoiding an opportunity a few weeks ago to appear before Attorneys General from three states to discuss his views on Constitutional issues. Although it was on Huckabee's show, Huckabee was only a moderator and did not ask any questions or take part in the discussion. Each candidate appeared separately. Huntsman stated he would not attend to focus on New Hampshire, but reported by MSNBC, he was not in New Hampshire the night of the debate. Given his visibility nationally was so low, avoiding that particular venue which focused on discussing issues substantively was to me very surprising.

    The other point to consider is Huntsman has basically lived in New Hampshire over a long period, essentially putting all his eggs in that basket. New Hampshire voters have a reputation for being reasonably moderate, independent thinkers. The fact that he remains near the bottom indicates either his personality or his message is not resonating.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:31 PM GMT
    indeed. I just hope the GOP sees he has all the most appealing qualities of Romney, without Romneycare making him look like a hypocrite were he to be run against Obama; he is utterly untainted by evangelical batshittery (I love that term) and none of the simplistic world view on the economy of Ron Paul.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:37 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidHuntsman has basically lived in New Hampshire over a long period, essentially putting all his eggs in that basket. New Hampshire voters have a reputation of being reasonably moderate, independent thinkers. The fact that he remains near the bottom indicates either his personality or his message is not resonating.



    Agreed...that this is a fact that really is a mystery to me. Having watched his lengthy interview with Piers Morgan (see link below), and many others, I don't find anything unlikable about his personality -- and his message is more sane and clear than any of the other candidates. Why it's not resonating with more people is really perplexing. Maybe we will be surprised on Tuesday when the voters turn out and we find he has far more support than had been reported. A guy can dream

    http://youtu.be/uHXSxWbJCYA
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:40 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    socalfitness saidHuntsman has basically lived in New Hampshire over a long period, essentially putting all his eggs in that basket. New Hampshire voters have a reputation of being reasonably moderate, independent thinkers. The fact that he remains near the bottom indicates either his personality or his message is not resonating.

    Agreed...that this is a fact that really is a mystery to me. Having watched his lengthy interview with Piers Morgan (see link below), and many others, I don't find anything unlikable about his personality -- and his message is more sane and clear than any of the other candidates. Why it's not resonating with more people is really perplexing. Maybe we will be surprised on Tuesday when the voters turn out and we find he has far more support than had been reported. A guy can dream

    http://youtu.be/uHXSxWbJCYA

    To tell you the truth, I don't particularly like him. He comes across to me as a bit sanctimonious and lacking charisma. I would not have confidence in him being an effective candidate, especially based on how he comes across.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:46 PM GMT
    Jon Huntsman seems like such an obvious choice. If Huntsman were a car, he'd be a black Lexus LS460 hybrid. Classy, intelligent and up with the times.

    But the GOP voters don't want that. They'd prefer Mitt Romney, the flipflopping convertible Dodge, or Rick Santorum the Popemobile. And for VP, they want Sarah Palin, the hot pink Hummer II with a loaded machine gun on the roof, and images of Jesus etched into the windows.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:49 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidI don't have strong opinions about him either way, although I do put some stock in what shybuffguy said a few weeks ago. Certainly he has his perspective.

    I was not particularly impressed with Huntsman avoiding an opportunity a few weeks ago to appear before Attorneys General from three states to discuss his views on Constitutional issues. Although it was on Huckabee's show, Huckabee was only a moderator and did not ask any questions or take part in the discussion. Each candidate appeared separately. Huntsman stated he would not attend to focus on New Hampshire, but reported by MSNBC, he was not in New Hampshire the night of the debate. Given his visibility nationally was so low, avoiding that particular venue which focused on discussing issues substantively was to me very surprising.

    The other point to consider is Huntsman has basically lived in New Hampshire over a long period, essentially putting all his eggs in that basket. New Hampshire voters have a reputation for being reasonably moderate, independent thinkers. The fact that he remains near the bottom indicates either his personality or his message is not resonating.


    I thought that forum was exceptionally good and I think it was huge mistake for Jon not to participate. The questions were tough, but fair and I had immense respect for Huck and Fox news to keep it fair.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:50 PM GMT
    White4DarkerFL saidJon Huntsman seems like such an obvious choice. If Huntsman were a car, he'd be a black Lexus LS460 hybrid. Classy, intelligent and up with the times.

    But the GOP voters don't want that. They'd prefer Mitt Romney, the flipflopping convertible Dodge, or Rick Santorum the Popemobile. And for VP, they want Sarah Palin, the hot pink Hummer II with a loaded machine gun on the roof, and images of Jesus etched into the windows.


    And very very bland.

    That right there would stop me. No japan in my garage, not now, not ever.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:53 PM GMT
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    White4DarkerFL saidJon Huntsman seems like such an obvious choice. If Huntsman were a car, he'd be a black Lexus LS460 hybrid. Classy, intelligent and up with the times.

    But the GOP voters don't want that. They'd prefer Mitt Romney, the flipflopping convertible Dodge, or Rick Santorum the Popemobile. And for VP, they want Sarah Palin, the hot pink Hummer II with a loaded machine gun on the roof, and images of Jesus etched into the windows.


    That right there would stop me.


    Ok, in that case, he's a dark gray Cadillac CTS-V with manual. All American and powerful enough to blow the doors off the Dodge and Popemobile.
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    socalfitness saidI don't have strong opinions about him either way, although I do put some stock in what shybuffguy said a few weeks ago. Certainly he has his perspective.

    I was not particularly impressed with Huntsman avoiding an opportunity a few weeks ago to appear before Attorneys General from three states to discuss his views on Constitutional issues. Although it was on Huckabee's show, Huckabee was only a moderator and did not ask any questions or take part in the discussion. Each candidate appeared separately. Huntsman stated he would not attend to focus on New Hampshire, but reported by MSNBC, he was not in New Hampshire the night of the debate. Given his visibility nationally was so low, avoiding that particular venue which focused on discussing issues substantively was to me very surprising.

    The other point to consider is Huntsman has basically lived in New Hampshire over a long period, essentially putting all his eggs in that basket. New Hampshire voters have a reputation for being reasonably moderate, independent thinkers. The fact that he remains near the bottom indicates either his personality or his message is not resonating.


    I thought that forum was exceptionally good and I think it was huge mistake for Jon not to participate. The questions were tough, but fair and I had immense respect for Huck and Fox news to keep it fair.

    Agree, in fact it showed Perry had gaps in his understanding of Executive authority versus the Constitution. They didn't try and embarrass him, but made no attempt to cover it up. Later when commenting on it, the Florida Attorney General remarked that Perry had struggled with the question.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:54 PM GMT
    To me, John Huntsman is bland. This is one of the traits that made him a decent (good, but not great) ambassador. This is not an attribute that will get him elected as president. There were a few republican candidates this cycle who I wondered if their hearts were really into the campaign. He is one of them.
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    Jan 07, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    White4DarkerFL saidJon Huntsman seems like such an obvious choice. If Huntsman were a car, he'd be a black Lexus LS460 hybrid. Classy, intelligent and up with the times.

    But the GOP voters don't want that. They'd prefer Mitt Romney, the flipflopping convertible Dodge, or Rick Santorum the Popemobile. And for VP, they want Sarah Palin, the hot pink Hummer II with a loaded machine gun on the roof, and images of Jesus etched into the windows.


    That right there would stop me.


    Ok, in that case, he's a dark gray Cadillac CTS-V with manual. All American and powerful enough to blow the doors off the Dodge and Popemobile.


    Much better or to be a bit more refined, maybe a new XTS.
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    Jan 07, 2012 7:02 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    socalfitness saidHuntsman has basically lived in New Hampshire over a long period, essentially putting all his eggs in that basket. New Hampshire voters have a reputation of being reasonably moderate, independent thinkers. The fact that he remains near the bottom indicates either his personality or his message is not resonating.



    Agreed...that this is a fact that really is a mystery to me. Having watched his lengthy interview with Piers Morgan (see link below), and many others, I don't find anything unlikable about his personality -- and his message is more sane and clear than any of the other candidates. Why it's not resonating with more people is really perplexing. Maybe we will be surprised on Tuesday when the voters turn out and we find he has far more support than had been reported. A guy can dream

    http://youtu.be/uHXSxWbJCYA


    that must be thatnyou are listening do not just react viscerally to dog whistle cues.

    those cues fit into the soundbites the 24 hr news cycle puts out there while the rational explanations Huntsman trades in , don't transmit easily.

    TV watching attention span is WAY too short for that kind of thinking, so politics become reduced to what we have seen.


    ex. does Gingrich REALLY think kids should work as janitors - after a moment's thought, bloody unlikely - but one is not permitted a moment's thought.

    So Huntsman remains moderate and sane BY refusing to campaign that way.


    I don't care how smart you are or how moderate you are, with a microphone rammed in your face and a person asking you a question, you will eventually say something too facile that can be pounced on.



    I can tell you exactly what gotcha journalism is:


    Interviewer:

    I'm going to ask you about World AIDS Day"

    Me: great. icon_biggrin.gif

    camera on - she thrusts mic in my face:

    "so why do you think sales are down for your current fundraiser?" icon_surprised.gif




    Based on the conversation when she arrived I do see what she is fishing for - she wants me to say on camera something about a local pharmacy chain and I am literally not prepared to go there. My briefing was on World AIDS Day. I am in no way involved or briefed on the logistics of arranging sales locations.

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    So, is she trying to embarass me?, AIDSPEI, or this chain of stores?


    In reality - none of the above ; she is just asking questions, hoping they lead something.


    but it seems REALLY unfair to change subject on me without warning.

    not only must one think (while she is LITERALLY pushing the microphone into my face, an simultaneously grabbing me by my one good arm. keep whatever I say short, and try to control my stammer (that afflicts me when pressured or agitated)


    (I decided no longer try to control it. do not stammer often but if it is triggered I realised it is more effective to stop talking, take a breath and start again. Let them fix it in editing.


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    Jan 07, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
    murano saidTo me, John Huntsman is bland. This is one of the traits that made him a decent (good, but not great) ambassador. This is not an attribute that will get him elected as president. There were a few republican candidates this cycle who I wondered if their hearts were really into the campaign. He is one of them.



    yep
    bland - not visceral reaction.

    I submit that is a better quality to have in a President than something more polarizing.
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    Jan 07, 2012 7:14 PM GMT
    Huntsman, unfortunately, has very little charisma and no stage presence. In order to get people interested in his (intelligent) message/s, he needs to convince people to listen to him.

    His small poll numbers leads to less time in debates which makes it vital for him to look alive and ready to save America when he does get a chance to speak.
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    Jan 07, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
    Jasonfest saidHuntsman, unfortunately, has very little charisma and no stage presence. In order to get people interested in his (intelligent) message/s, he needs to convince people to listen to him.

    His small poll numbers leads to less time in debates which makes it vital for him to look alive and ready to save America when he does get a chance to speak.


    He does much better in a one and one than he does in the debates with first, eight then seven candidates and of course now six other candidates. In the one and one, Lincoln Douglas debate that he did with Gingrich, he pretty much held his own and that's saying something if debating with Newt.
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    Jasonfest saidHuntsman, unfortunately, has very little charisma and no stage presence. In order to get people interested in his (intelligent) message/s, he needs to convince people to listen to him.

    His small poll numbers leads to less time in debates which makes it vital for him to look alive and ready to save America when he does get a chance to speak.


    He does much better in a one and one than he does in the debates with first, eight then seven candidates and of course now six other candidates. In the one and one, Lincoln Douglas debate that he did with Gingrich, he pretty much held his own and that's saying something if debating with Newt.


    I missed that debate. I agree, if he held his own against Newt that is a good sign. While I don't agree with Newt, he is clearly the top two in the debates (if not the best). His professor background plainly shows in how he conducts and presents his arguments.
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    Jan 07, 2012 7:46 PM GMT
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    And he's got a great upbringing. I've posted these quite a while ago when the campaign first got going. What a wonderful dad Jon has. At least the first vid is well worth watching.








  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 07, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
    I would willingly support Jon Huntsman for the GOP nomination because he is the most open minded candidate with Mitt Romney a close second. Both men are a massive improvement over the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs Bachmann, Perry, and Santorum.
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    roadbikeRob saidI would willingly support Jon Huntsman for the GOP nomination because he is the most open minded candidate with Mitt Romney a close second. Both men are a massive improvement over the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs Bachmann, Perry, and Santorum.


    I would also take Gingrich with some reservations.
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    Jan 07, 2012 11:35 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI would willingly support Jon Huntsman for the GOP nomination because he is the most open minded candidate with Mitt Romney a close second. Both men are a massive improvement over the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs Bachmann, Perry, and Santorum.




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  • conservativej...

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    Jan 08, 2012 12:40 AM GMT
    Well, at least he is not Mitt Obama Romney.

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