Mitt Romney on "Gay Rights"...

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 08, 2012 5:37 PM GMT
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    Jan 08, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    Did you also hear the Santorum response that followed immediately?
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    Jan 08, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
    Yes...It was a lot of B.S.
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    Jan 08, 2012 5:45 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidYes...It was a lot of B.S.


    Because you hate Satorum or because something he said?
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    Jan 08, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    Mitt Romney stand up when for gays?

    Mitt Romney gladly accepted the endorsement of Dr. Bob Jones, who called for the stoning of homosexuals.

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    Jan 08, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    hahah I love the last response. I don't know what gay rights he specifically stood up for but that was funny.
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    Jan 08, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
    White4DarkerFL saidMitt Romney stand up when for gays?

    Mitt Romney gladly took the endorsement of Dr. Bob Jones, who called for the stoning of homosexuals.



    He's no Dick Cheney, but this is about as much as we're going to hear until he's elected.

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    Jan 08, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
    White4DarkerFL saidMitt Romney stand up when for gays?

    Mitt Romney gladly took the endorsement of Dr. Bob Jones, who called for the stoning of homosexuals.




    I think this video is quite disingenuous. First of all, it was 5 years ago. Secondly, Mitt Romney has little control over who chooses to endorse him. Granted, he could denounce such an endorsement, but I think what really matters is WHAT Romney endorses himself when it comes to Gay Rights. Clearly, Mitt Romney is not in line with the thinking of Bob Jones and, like it or not, and as revolting as Bob Jones is, he is entitled to his opinion --- enraging as it may be to hear.
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    Jan 08, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    White4DarkerFL saidMitt Romney stand up when for gays?

    Mitt Romney gladly took the endorsement of Dr. Bob Jones, who called for the stoning of homosexuals.




    I think this video is quite disingenuous. First of all, it was 5 years ago. Secondly, Mitt Romney has little control over who chooses to endorse him. Granted, he could denounce such an endorsement, but I think what really matters is WHAT Romney endorses himself when it comes to Gay Rights. Clearly, Mitt Romney is not in line with the thinking of Bob Jones and, like it or not, and as revolting as Bob Jones is, he is entitled to his opinion --- enraging as it may be to hear.


    If David Duke endorsed Romney, he'd refuse it no matter what year it was.

    In light of the fact that Romney signed the NOM pledge, I think its perverse and laughable for him to say he stands up for gays. Most Romney voters prefer he stand up TO gays, not for them.
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    Jan 08, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
    White4DarkerFL saidMost Romney voters prefer he stand up TO gays, not for them.



    Clearly, you do not have a very good understanding of what "most Romney voters" prefer. One of the biggest hurdles Romney has in getting not only elected, but just getting the nomination, is his Mormonism, which I find extremely unfair to Romney, not to mention the fine Mormons in this country. That being said, when he gets an endorsement by a staunch Evangelical like Bob Jones, it puts a candidate like Romney between a rock and a hard place --- of course he would like and needs the endorsement of Evangelicals, but at the same time he does not want or need to be tied to their staunch views towards gays. This is why I will repeat ---- judge Mitt Romney on what HE says, NOT what those who may support him say. I think he made his viewpoint towards gays quite clear in my original post.
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    Jan 08, 2012 6:13 PM GMT
    We have to deal with what we have as candidates. We don't have Dick Cheney as a candidate. However, I do think we'll see another reversal of positions once Romney is elected. He's always been pretty open about this issue and he was a pretty decent fag hag as governor.
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    Jan 08, 2012 6:14 PM GMT
    Mitt Romney on civil unions:

    "Well, yes. I'm going to want to see a marriage limited to a man and a woman. I don't want to see civil union either. Of course, if we find ourselves in a setting where the only choice is between civil union and marriage, I will prefer civil union. But I would prefer neither."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9086489/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews/t/romney-plays-hardball-gay-marriage/#.TwnbdvI8eEg

    This quote was from 2008, but by signing the NOM pledge he shows he still supports this view. He is also against gays and lesbians serving openly in the military, gays and lesbians being allowed to adopt, and against federal employees receiving same-sex partner benefits. My, what a supporter of equality!
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    Jan 08, 2012 6:15 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    White4DarkerFL saidMost Romney voters prefer he stand up TO gays, not for them.



    Clearly, you do not have a very good understanding of what "most Romney voters" prefer. One of the biggest hurdles Romney has in getting not only elected, but just getting the nomination, is his Mormonism, which I find extremely unfair to Romney, not to mention the fine Mormons in this country. That being said, when he gets an endorsement by a staunch Evangelical like Bob Jones, it puts a candidate like Romney between a rock and a hard place --- of course he would like and needs the endorsement of Evangelicals, but at the same time he does not want or need to be tied to their staunch views towards gays. This is why I will repeat ---- judge Mitt Romney on what HE says, NOT what those who may support him say. I think he made his viewpoint towards gays quite clear in my original post.


    More important is what he does and has done in the past.
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    Jan 08, 2012 6:17 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidMitt Romney on civil unions:

    "Well, yes. I'm going to want to see a marriage limited to a man and a woman. I don't want to see civil union either. Of course, if we find ourselves in a setting where the only choice is between civil union and marriage, I will prefer civil union. But I would prefer neither."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9086489/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews/t/romney-plays-hardball-gay-marriage/#.TwnbdvI8eEg

    This quote was from 2008, but by signing the NOM pledge he shows he still supports this view. He is also against gays and lesbians serving openly in the military, gays and lesbians being allowed to adopt, and against federal employees receiving same-sex partner benefits. My, what a supporter of equality!


    Well then tell Cheney to hurry up and get his transplant and we'll draft him as the nominee. He's way further out in the front on this issue than any of these folks.
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    Jan 08, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    Mitt Romney:

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    Jan 08, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidMitt Romney:

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    Or as RickRrick says ... "flip flipper"

    http://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Womens-Flipper-Flip-Flop/dp/B004DBYFIK
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    Jan 08, 2012 7:02 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    White4DarkerFL saidMost Romney voters prefer he stand up TO gays, not for them.



    Clearly, you do not have a very good understanding of what "most Romney voters" prefer. One of the biggest hurdles Romney has in getting not only elected, but just getting the nomination, is his Mormonism, which I find extremely unfair to Romney, not to mention the fine Mormons in this country. That being said, when he gets an endorsement by a staunch Evangelical like Bob Jones, it puts a candidate like Romney between a rock and a hard place --- of course he would like and needs the endorsement of Evangelicals, but at the same time he does not want or need to be tied to their staunch views towards gays. This is why I will repeat ---- judge Mitt Romney on what HE says, NOT what those who may support him say. I think he made his viewpoint towards gays quite clear in my original post.



    My understanding comes from polls showing over 70% of Republicans oppose SSM.....However, I completely agree with you that its unfair (and stupid) that Evangelicals won't vote for any Mormon candidate. Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christians have been taught since birth that Mormonism is a cult, or of Satan, etc, which likely explains why Romney can't break out of mid 20% range. However, a Bob Jones endorsement isn't going to help Romney or Mormonism...anymore than a Pat Robertson endorsement did for Giuliani in 2008. (The cynical side of me say these were not endorsements at all, but anti-endorsements if you catch my drift.)

    Hopefully, some Mormons will see how they're discriminated against in the evangelical controlled Republican party and defect to the Democrats, as Jews and atheists have. Mormon votes and donations are welcome by evangelicals, but not their leadership.

    The solution here is not to cower to evangelicals, but to defeat them at the polls. That may not be an option for Mitt Romney, but its one I intend to take.
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    Jan 08, 2012 7:28 PM GMT
    Satan endorses Mitt Romney after a tense moment...

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    Jan 09, 2012 1:02 PM GMT
    I heard the words "not discriminating against the rights of gay" in the same sentence stating he "denies same sex mariage"..

    If that isn't the ultimate example of hypocrisy, my name is Southbeach1500! icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    TropicalMark saidI heard the words "not discriminating against the rights of gay" in the same sentence stating he "denies same sex mariage"..

    If that isn't the ultimate example of hypocrisy, my name is Southbeach1500! icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    I'm sure you've seen this one a million times or so



    That's also where Biden is plus all the other democrat 2008 candidates. I don't remember regarding Kuchinich.

    If we could only get them all this far:





    Huntsman gets a little closer

    http://youtu.be/uHXSxWbJCYA

    In the last admin. it was the first lady, VP and VP's wife who supported it. It is get closer, not as fast as many would like, but it is coming.

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    Jan 09, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidI heard the words "not discriminating against the rights of gay" in the same sentence stating he "denies same sex mariage"..



    Kind of depends on how you chose to look at it. The above statement can just as easily be applied to President Obama and millions of other straight Americans who can be all for gay rights and not anti gay whatsoever, but still not be in favor of changing the definition of "marriage".
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    Jan 09, 2012 9:35 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    CuriousJockAZ saidYes...It was a lot of B.S.


    Because you hate Satorum or because something he said?


    Both
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    TropicalMark saidI heard the words "not discriminating against the rights of gay" in the same sentence stating he "denies same sex mariage"..



    Kind of depends on how you chose to look at it. The above statement can just as easily be applied to President Obama and millions of other straight Americans who can be all for gay rights and not anti gay whatsoever, but still not be in favor of changing the definition of "marriage".


    And can be some gay folks just like that too.
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    Jan 10, 2012 7:00 AM GMT
    You Repubs are having to strain awfully hard to vote for Mitt, Newt, Rick or Rick is all I can tell you. why don't you go with the guy whose said the least negative statements about gays such as Ron Paul.

    Freedomgeezer, your buddy Cheney may be OK with gays since his daughter is one, but the trade off with his war mongering would really be a terrible combination. Thank god Cheney has been sent out to pasture and is being quiet so as not to overwork his steel and plastic heart. Cheney the evildoer is right where he needs to be, at home in Wyoming most of the time.