Jon Huntsman Takes It To Mitt Romney...

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 08, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    Wasn't real pleased with Huntsman's performance in last night's debate, however this morning in the NBC/Yahoo debate Huntsman took the gloves off --- FINALLY...

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    Jan 08, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
    min 1:19 is his best moment yet.

    Yeah, I saw that and I think his performance was much better this morning than last night.
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    Jan 08, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    It was far better this morning but, unfortunately, I don't think it was enough. This was his real last chance to take a stand and draw the comparisons of his far superior record as Governor over Mitt Romney's record. He really has failed to do that, and so Americans remain clueless for the most part as to WHO Jon Huntsman is, or why he is on so many levels the most well-rounded forward thinking candidate on that stage. He may pull a miracle in New Hampshire, but I kind of think that the very best he can hope for is perhaps a V.P. nod, a Secretary of State nod, or at the very least be set up nicely for a run in 2016 should Obama get re-elected.
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    Jan 08, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was far better this morning but, unfortunately, I don't think it was enough. This was his real last chance to take a stand and draw the comparisons of his far superior record as Governor over Mitt Romney's record. He really has failed to do that, and so Americans remain clueless for the most part as to WHO Jon Huntsman is, or why he is on so many levels the most well-rounded forward thinking candidate on that stage. He may pull a miracle in New Hampshire, but I kind of think that the very best he can hope for is perhaps a V.P. nod, a Secretary of State nod, or at the very least be set up nicely for a run in 2016 should Obama get re-elected.


    I've kinda given up hope on Huntsman. He's just not all that great in this format ... mind you, not bad at all, but not enough to break though. He's much better one on one
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    Jan 08, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was far better this morning but, unfortunately, I don't think it was enough. This was his real last chance to take a stand and draw the comparisons of his far superior record as Governor over Mitt Romney's record. He really has failed to do that, and so Americans remain clueless for the most part as to WHO Jon Huntsman is, or why he is on so many levels the most well-rounded forward thinking candidate on that stage. He may pull a miracle in New Hampshire, but I kind of think that the very best he can hope for is perhaps a V.P. nod, a Secretary of State nod, or at the very least be set up nicely for a run in 2016 should Obama get re-elected.


    I've kinda given up hope on Huntsman. He's just not all that great in this format ... mind you, not bad at all, but not enough to break though. He's much better one on one



    Should Obama get re-elected, what Jon Hunstman needs to do is spend the next 4 years getting his message out, raising the level of awareness among Americans of WHO he is and, more importantly, WHAT he stands for. It is so disappointing that a man like Jon Huntsman who has seemingly no skeletons in his closet or baggage to speak of, who is capable of striking the right chords on both sides of the aisle and bring people together, and who understands and has a firm grasp of the complex international issues of the 21st Century, seemingly gets lost in the mix in this election. Perhaps it just isn't his time --- yet.
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    Jan 08, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was far better this morning but, unfortunately, I don't think it was enough. This was his real last chance to take a stand and draw the comparisons of his far superior record as Governor over Mitt Romney's record. He really has failed to do that, and so Americans remain clueless for the most part as to WHO Jon Huntsman is, or why he is on so many levels the most well-rounded forward thinking candidate on that stage. He may pull a miracle in New Hampshire, but I kind of think that the very best he can hope for is perhaps a V.P. nod, a Secretary of State nod, or at the very least be set up nicely for a run in 2016 should Obama get re-elected.


    I've kinda given up hope on Huntsman. He's just not all that great in this format ... mind you, not bad at all, but not enough to break though. He's much better one on one



    Should Obama get re-elected, what Jon Hunstman needs to do is spend the next 4 years getting his message out, raising the level of awareness among Americans of WHO he is and, more importantly, WHAT he stands for. It is so disappointing that a man like Jon Huntsman who has seemingly no skeletons in his closet or baggage to speak of, who is capable of striking the right chords on both sides of the aisle and bring people together, and who understands and has a firm grasp of the complex international issues of the 21st Century, seemingly gets lost in the mix in this election. Perhaps it just isn't his time --- yet.


    I don't know if you watched to vids I posted of Glenn Beck interview with Jon's dad? Fine family too.

    I think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie. I think Bush is next in line IF he will do it.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 09, 2012 1:49 AM GMT
    I was very pleased to see it. A little late, but it was great.
  • KissTheSky

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    Jan 09, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    I am mystified by the other candidates giving Romney a free pass in these debates. The debate this morning was the first time I've seen any aggression towards Romney, and it's a little late now -- I think the cake is already baked.
    And why were they wasting time picking at Ron Paul? Realistically, he has zero chance of getting the R. nomination.
    If you want to win you've got to kick the front runner in the face, rhetorically speaking. That's how Obama took the nomination away from Hillary.
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    Jan 09, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    He will not be the nominee.... NEXT
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    Jan 09, 2012 1:58 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidHe will not be the nominee.... NEXT


    Which is such a pity. He's the only sane one!
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    socalfitness saidHe will not be the nominee.... NEXT


    Which is such a pity. He's the only sane one!

    He does seem to be the favorite of the liberals, who also love Ron Paul's international strategies.
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    Jan 09, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
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    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidHe will not be the nominee.... NEXT


    Which is such a pity. He's the only sane one!

    He does seem to be the favorite of the liberals, who also love Ron Paul's international strategies.


    Are you kidding me? Ron Paul's isolationism is exactly analogous to the policies that allowed Hitler to rise to power. It's an *incredibly* dangerous policy. I don't know *any* liberals that agree with this.

    Obama's approach on Libya is a superb example of how the US can influence global events in a manner consistent with its values [liberty for all] without the expense of American lives and tremendously wasteful expediture. To be sure, not all conflict is like Libya, but it's a very rare example of a successful intervention by the US.

    I actually think most of us could live with Romney, if he were elected. And he's the only one who's even vaguely electable.
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    Jan 09, 2012 2:24 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    socalfitness said
    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidHe will not be the nominee.... NEXT


    Which is such a pity. He's the only sane one!

    He does seem to be the favorite of the liberals, who also love Ron Paul's international strategies.


    Are you kidding me? Ron Paul's isolationism is exactly analogous to the policies that allowed Hitler to rise to power. It's an *incredibly* dangerous policy. I don't know *any* liberals that agree with this.

    Obama's approach on Libya is a superb example of how the US can influence global events in a manner consistent with its values [liberty for all] without the expense of American lives and tremendously wasteful expediture. To be sure, not all conflict is like Libya, but it's a very rare example of a successful intervention by the US.

    I actually think most of us could live with Romney, if he were elected. And he's the only one who's even vaguely electable.

    I agree with you completely on the folly of Ron Paul's isolationism. He was reported to have said that saving the Jews in the holocaust was none of our business. His campaign later discredited the ex-aid who reported it and would only admit that getting involved in WW2 was ok because Hitler declared war on us. They couldn't bring themselves to saying is was ok for humanitarian reasons. It had been widely reported that some of his support did come from the left because of his isolationist policies.

    Regarding Libya - It did utilize the NATO command structure in place for decades, so it was not a result of an Obama genius. I think the effort was prolonged, resulting in more deaths than necessary, because the US did not take more of a leadership role.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:07 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie. ....

    Let me modify this sentence for you:
    In the event that Obama is reelected, then I think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie.
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    Jan 09, 2012 4:09 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    socalfitness said
    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidHe will not be the nominee.... NEXT


    Which is such a pity. He's the only sane one!

    He does seem to be the favorite of the liberals, who also love Ron Paul's international strategies.


    Are you kidding me? Ron Paul's isolationism is exactly analogous to the policies that allowed Hitler to rise to power. It's an *incredibly* dangerous policy. I don't know *any* liberals that agree with this.

    Obama's approach on Libya is a superb example of how the US can influence global events in a manner consistent with its values [liberty for all] without the expense of American lives and tremendously wasteful expediture. To be sure, not all conflict is like Libya, but it's a very rare example of a successful intervention by the US.

    I actually think most of us could live with Romney, if he were elected. And he's the only one who's even vaguely electable.


    "Are you kidding me? Ron Paul's isolationism is exactly analogous to the policies that allowed Hitler to rise to power. It's an *incredibly* dangerous policy. I don't know *any* liberals that agree with this.
    "

    I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with you, but this one is real critical. Most important thing there is. This is my #1 criteria for voting.

    If there's a power vacuum, someone will fill it, and I'd prefer that someone to be us.
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    freedomisntfree saidI think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie. I think Bush is next in line IF he will do it.

    If you think this country will elect another Bush, you've truly lost it.


    How long do they keep the archives on RJ?

    And absolutely they would. I think Jeb could win this time, and I don't think all the ad hominem attacks from the left could stop it.
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    freedomisntfree saidI think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie. ....

    Let me modify this sentence for you:
    In the event that Obama is reelected, then I think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie.


    And I think that's 50-50
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    socalfitness said
    freedomisntfree saidI think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie. ....

    Let me modify this sentence for you:
    In the event that Obama is reelected, then I think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie.


    And I think that's 50-50

    I think it's more likely he will be a one termer, but would take nothing for granted.
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    socalfitness said
    freedomisntfree said
    socalfitness said
    freedomisntfree saidI think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie. ....

    Let me modify this sentence for you:
    In the event that Obama is reelected, then I think 2016 will get real crowded with Rubio, Bush and Christie.


    And I think that's 50-50

    I think it's more likely he will be a one termer, but would take nothing for granted.


    I'm hopeful, but never over confident. We need to get out there and bust ass for the Republican candidate.
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    Jan 09, 2012 12:51 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidHe will not be the nominee.... NEXT


    Which is such a pity. He's the only sane one!
    Which is a sad commentary to the GOP machine.