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    Jan 09, 2012 2:34 AM GMT
    So In my English Comp class we were talking about Santa. Don't ask how it got to that point but the original topic was lieing and ethics. The discussion somehow went to santa and how people begin their lieing by lieing to their kids about santa. A student then asked "Why is it ok for parents to lie to their children about santa because it's all in good fun but when people lie about something that isnt real (ie. themselves, friends, etc) to "spicen" up their lives it isn't ok. So what do you think?
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    Jan 09, 2012 2:44 AM GMT
    When people lie about themselves to others, it's all for personal gain. When parents lie to their kids about Santa, they don't gain anything directly. Just a happy kid that thinks some stranger in a red suit brought him gifts.

    I hope that's enough of an explanation to help you get started on your homework assignment. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 09, 2012 2:53 AM GMT
    But does that then slide into that "its ok to lie if your heart is in the right place" thing?
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:12 AM GMT
    I'm never going to win this argument but whatever, but I don't believe in making children believe in Santa. I say this because my experience with it was very confusing. All it did was make me have a lot of questions my parents answered with dodgy evasive explanations.

    "But why can't Santa bring lots of presents to poor kids and make them not poor anymore?"
    "Because Santa brings you presents according to the lifestyle you're accustomed to"

    Seriously that's how they answered it! Which is pretty smart actually if you think about it. But I would observe the world around me and this guy who managed to get gifts to every kid in the world (except poor kids, NOOOOOOOOO they don't anything because it's not in their economic bracket!) just didn't fit into the logic of what I saw.

    It was never yay Santa for me, it was just wtf.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:18 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidI'm never going to win this argument but whatever, but I don't believe in making children believe in Santa. I say this because my experience with it was very confusing. All it did was make me have a lot of questions my parents answered with dodgy evasive explanations.

    "But why can't Santa bring lots of presents to poor kids and make them not poor anymore?"
    "Because Santa brings you presents according to the lifestyle you're accustomed to"

    Seriously that's how they answered it! Which is pretty smart actually if you think about it. But I would observe the world around me and this guy who managed to get gifts to every kid in the world (except poor kids, NOOOOOOOOO they don't anything because it's not in their economic bracket!) just didn't fit into the logic of what I saw.

    It was never yay Santa for me, it was just wtf.



    Lol I asked my parents one time the same question and they said "Because parents have to leave money for Santa and some people can't afford it."


    Parents are good liars.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:18 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidI'm never going to win this argument but whatever, but I don't believe in making children believe in Santa. I say this because my experience with it was very confusing. All it did was make me have a lot of questions my parents answered with dodgy evasive explanations.

    "But why can't Santa bring lots of presents to poor kids and make them not poor anymore?"
    "Because Santa brings you presents according to the lifestyle you're accustomed to"

    Seriously that's how they answered it! Which is pretty smart actually if you think about it. But I would observe the world around me and this guy who managed to get gifts to every kid in the world (except poor kids, NOOOOOOOOO they don't anything because it's not in their economic bracket!) just didn't fit into the logic of what I saw.

    It was never yay Santa for me, it was just wtf.


    Haha! When I was younger my brother used to ask those same kind of questions. "How does santa know our house?" "If santa brings the presents, how come it says from mom and dad on the presentt?"
    To me, it just makes it confusing for kids. "Dont you lie to me jeffery!" but I can lie to you about santa clause because its all in good fun.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
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    Ariodante saidI'm never going to win this argument but whatever, but I don't believe in making children believe in Santa. I say this because my experience with it was very confusing. All it did was make me have a lot of questions my parents answered with dodgy evasive explanations.

    "But why can't Santa bring lots of presents to poor kids and make them not poor anymore?"
    "Because Santa brings you presents according to the lifestyle you're accustomed to"

    Seriously that's how they answered it! Which is pretty smart actually if you think about it. But I would observe the world around me and this guy who managed to get gifts to every kid in the world (except poor kids, NOOOOOOOOO they don't anything because it's not in their economic bracket!) just didn't fit into the logic of what I saw.

    It was never yay Santa for me, it was just wtf.



    Lol I asked my parents one time the same question and they said "Because parents have to leave money for Santa and some people can't afford it."


    Parents are good liars.


    Hilarious! I think all parents had a secret santa book that they all use and borrowed from back then.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:26 AM GMT
    williamlbrown said "If santa brings the presents, how come it says from mom and dad on the present?"


    I totally noticed that on mine, except since my mom is super Catholic she would sign some presents "From Baby Jesus", and instead I was like holy SHIT, JESUS himself wrote this I can sell this tag and make a fortune!!!!!
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:26 AM GMT
    For the most part, kids grow out of it and learn on their own. I think that's what most parents hope for at least.

    But there's a grey line when it comes to telling lies. I think it comes down to intent. For personal gains, it's generally bad of course. To spare someone's feelings, it's tough to say. Every situation is different.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:35 AM GMT
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:37 AM GMT
    Ariodante said
    williamlbrown said "If santa brings the presents, how come it says from mom and dad on the present?"


    I totally noticed that on mine, except since my mom is super Catholic she would sign some presents "From Baby Jesus", and instead I was like holy SHIT, JESUS himself wrote this I can sell this tag and make a fortune!!!!!


    Haha! You should have said something like "How did a baby know to send out all those presents and second of all why would he want to? A baby is supposed to be goo goo gagaing.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:39 AM GMT
    Here's another beef of mine. I'm the youngest of my siblings, so I was the last one to find out he wasn't real (I was 7 years old and I was like you're shitting me right this dude isn't real).

    AFTER that something wonderful happened. Since they didn't have to keep up this charade for me, now we could engage in buying presents for EACH OTHER (instead of my parents buying the presents for all of us). It was awesome! I loved getting gifts for my brother, sister, my parents, planning what they'd like.

    You don't get that when all you're told is this magical man is taking care of the presents. Kids need to learn Christmas is about THEM giving to OTHER PEOPLE.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:39 AM GMT
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:40 AM GMT
    I actually never believed in Santa. I think I was like 4 and I told my parents that I'm not sure I believed in Santa...and they both told me he's not real.

    I was a very unusual child. But I appreciate my parents not lying to me.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:40 AM GMT
    xrichx saidFor the most part, kids grow out of it and learn on their own. I think that's what most parents hope for at least.

    But there's a grey line when it comes to telling lies. I think it comes down to intent. For personal gains, it's generally bad of course. To spare someone's feelings, it's tough to say. Every situation is different.


    So do you think children should be taught that its ok to lie if its for the right reasons as opposed to you shouldnt lie?
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:43 AM GMT
    williamlbrown saidSo do you think children should be taught that its ok to lie if its for the right reasons as opposed to you shouldnt lie?


    You won't be able to glean any Logic 101 generalization. The Life 501 answer is that it's ok to lie to kids in regard to Santa, and that lie has nothing to do with other sorts of lies. Other sorts of lies get dealt with separately.
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    Jan 09, 2012 3:43 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidHere's another beef of mine. I'm the youngest of my siblings, so I was the last one to find out he wasn't real (I was 7 years old and I was like you're shitting me right this dude isn't real).

    AFTER that something wonderful happened. Since they didn't have to keep up this charade for me, now we could engage in buying presents for EACH OTHER (instead of my parents buying the presents for all of us). It was awesome! I loved getting gifts for my brother, sister, my parents, planning what they'd like.

    You don't get that when all you're told is this magical man is taking care of the presents. Kids need to learn Christmas is about THEM giving to OTHER PEOPLE.


    Yeah I think the idea of giving each other things from the heart is a better lesson than a big old guy giving you presents because you were on the nice list. Can you believe that some kids find out that santa isnt from their friends? Some parents dont have the courage to tell their children that he isnt real. For example, a friend told this little girl that santa wouldnt bring her, her gift if she wouldnt go to bed and the little girl responded "girl please, I knew santa wasnt real since I was 7."