Shakespeare WAS bisexual it is revealed

  • metta

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    Jan 09, 2012 6:31 AM GMT
    Shakespeare WAS bisexual it is revealed

    http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/01/08/shakespeare-was-bisexual-it-is-revealed-66331-30078676/
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    Jan 09, 2012 6:34 AM GMT
    And many fucks were given, in the days of old. icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 09, 2012 6:35 AM GMT
    I'm sure some eager bubble butt bottoms had to inspire some of his works.
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    Jan 09, 2012 6:53 AM GMT
    Well his name is a reference to masturbation. "Shakes-spear". icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 09, 2012 7:24 AM GMT
    This is like finding out Marilyn Monroe screwed a black dude.

    Tupac had a possibly gay sex tape.

    Jimi Hendrix has a sex tape.

    Do people really care? Somewhat interesting...but...if they were alive, would make more sense to me...to each his ownicon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 09, 2012 10:22 AM GMT
    In order to make an historical claim like this, there has to be some evidence. None was given. That article proves nothing other than speculation. Bad history.
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    Jan 09, 2012 10:32 AM GMT
    he was a poet and a playwright.. nuff said ...
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    Jan 09, 2012 11:59 AM GMT
    this was already proven, i just dont remember grade 11 language arts THAT well. jeez, you'd figure they'd have something better to write about in 2012..

    "to die" in Shakespeares sonnets meant to ejaculate.

    Shakespeare was a manic depressive supposedly.
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    Jan 09, 2012 12:04 PM GMT
    This is well known, and has been for years.

    Why is this news?
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    Jan 09, 2012 12:22 PM GMT
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    As a Humanities academic, I'll give you guys a little peek behind the curtain of "Shakespeare Scholars": they are notorious for making wild, unsubstantiated claims about William Shakespeare. And they only get in trouble for their myth-making when their wild claims are simply factually and obviously untrue (as in the case with one I know personally).

    They are prone to this wild speculation because 1) they know almost nothing about Shakespeare himself, even if "he" existed as such and 2) everything you can know about Shakespeare is already well known, so they have to conjure up increasingly outlandish things to talk about so that their scholarship is relevant (i.e. they get funding).
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    Jan 09, 2012 12:35 PM GMT
    To be (gay), or not to be, that is the question.
    Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer
    The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
    Or take arms against a sea of troubles,
    And by opposing, end them.

    Hmmmm, sounds like someone with a social problem before gay people were better accepted.
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    Jan 09, 2012 12:53 PM GMT
    RIGuy60 saidIn order to make an historical claim like this, there has to be some evidence. None was given. That article proves nothing other than speculation. Bad history.


    Absolutely. When your main source is the speculation of Ian McKellen and references to plays..... That would be perhaps like saying anyone involved with the production of Brokeback Mountain, or at least the writer of the short story and the script adapters, was a homosexual.

    Perhaps he was, but the lack of anything remotely related to concrete evidence, like a journal entry or letter which can be attributed to Shakespeare and his enjoyment of penises, suggests that this can only ever be speculation with perhaps a bit of modern politics thrown in for good effect.
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    Jan 09, 2012 1:06 PM GMT
    *gasp*

    A poet and author??? Bisexual??? Shocker!
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    Jan 09, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    HungGarSig said
    RIGuy60 saidIn order to make an historical claim like this, there has to be some evidence. None was given. That article proves nothing other than speculation. Bad history.


    Absolutely. When your main source is the speculation of Ian McKellen and references to plays..... That would be perhaps like saying anyone involved with the production of Brokeback Mountain, or at least the writer of the short story and the script adapters, was a homosexual.

    Perhaps he was, but the lack of anything remotely related to concrete evidence, like a journal entry or letter which can be attributed to Shakespeare and his enjoyment of penises, suggests that this can only ever be speculation with perhaps a bit of modern politics thrown in for good effect.

    What about the sonnets addressed to a man, like Sonnet 20:
    "A woman's face with nature's own hand painted,
    Hast thou, the master mistress of my passion" etc. etc.
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    Jan 09, 2012 1:58 PM GMT
    I find it odd that they're just now figuring this out. I've known it for years.
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    Jan 09, 2012 2:12 PM GMT
    TexDef07 said
    What about the sonnets addressed to a man, like Sonnet 20:
    "A woman's face with nature's own hand painted,
    Hast thou, the master mistress of my passion" etc. etc.


    I am not saying that there is no homoeroticism within his works, which your quotation pretty clearly shows. It is a very difficult, convoluted, and, frankly, misleading thing to create a biography of an author through his or her works alone. One of the major reasons for that is because one can never be sure whose voice is speaking. Is this Shakespeare himself or a persona? Many of his sonnets cover themes that often show up in the Latin poets, like Catullus, and the Hellenistic poets as well, where themes of love with both men and women are abound.

    Making unqualified biographical claims over an author who left no ostensible autobiography or other records is a very dangerous thing to do because is obfuscates and pollutes scholarship. I would rather say that Shakespeare MAY have been a bisexual because of his use of homoeroticism which seems to be relatively unique in period literature, he may have also been imitating earlier poetic forms made available through recent translations of ancient works, if he didn't read them in the original languages.
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    Jan 09, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    Who really gives a flying fuck?
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    Jan 09, 2012 4:49 PM GMT
    RIGuy60 saidIn order to make an historical claim like this, there has to be some evidence. None was given. That article proves nothing other than speculation. Bad history.


    Exactly!
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    Jan 09, 2012 11:17 PM GMT
    In the end, what does it matter? I'm pretty sure Shakespeare would rather continue to be remembered for everything he contributed to the world of literature and the English language than the possible men he might've slept with.
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    Jan 09, 2012 11:27 PM GMT
    Geez, no one really appreciates Shakespeare enough! "To bi, or not to bi..."
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    Jan 09, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    RIGuy60 saidIn order to make an historical claim like this, there has to be some evidence. None was given. That article proves nothing other than speculation. Bad history.


    Well put
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    Jan 10, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
    on another note...the words engraved on his tomb...

    For Jesus' sake,Good friend..forbear..
    to stir the dust enclosed here...
    blessed is the man who spares the stone
    and cursed is he who moves my bones...
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    Jan 10, 2012 12:23 AM GMT
    HungGarSig said
    RIGuy60 saidIn order to make an historical claim like this, there has to be some evidence. None was given. That article proves nothing other than speculation. Bad history.


    Absolutely. When your main source is the speculation of Ian McKellen and references to plays..... That would be perhaps like saying anyone involved with the production of Brokeback Mountain, or at least the writer of the short story and the script adapters, was a homosexual.

    Perhaps he was, but the lack of anything remotely related to concrete evidence, like a journal entry or letter which can be attributed to Shakespeare and his enjoyment of penises, suggests that this can only ever be speculation with perhaps a bit of modern politics thrown in for good effect.


    I bet you got A's in any history courses you've taken. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 10, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
    Well I'm throwing out all my sonnet books this instant. Total gamechanger.


    ...Nnnnnaaaaaaaaaaah'm just kidding...I have no sonnet books =D
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    Jan 10, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
    Richard the Lionheart of England was said to have had homosexual tendencies as well..it has been said that his knights and barons would trust him alone with their daughters....but NOT with their sons...LOL!