Alan Chambers and the Message of Exodus at the Gay Christian Network Conference

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    Jan 10, 2012 8:35 AM GMT
    Alan Chambers and the Message of Exodus at the Gay Christian Network Conference

    Alan Chambers, President of Exodus, sat on a stage in front of hundreds of gay Christians and their allies and families and said:

    "The majority of people that I have met, and I would say the majority meaning 99.9% of them have not experienced a change in their orientation or have gotten to a place where they could say that they could never be tempted or are not tempted in some way or experience some level of same-sex attraction. I think there is a gender issue there, there are some women who have challenged me and said that my orientation or my attractions have changed completely. Those have been few and far between. The vast majority of people that I know will experience some level of same-sex attraction."


    http://canyonwalkerconnections.com/2012/01/alan-chambers-and-the-message-of-exodus-at-the-gay-christian-network-conference/
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    Jan 10, 2012 1:07 PM GMT
    Fascinating. Thank you, metta
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    Jan 10, 2012 1:15 PM GMT
    wouldn't say fascinating. reasonable people know exodus is farcical. an organization only supported by homophobes and people who have not given much thought to what they believe.
    watch you see focus on the family and its ilk will still not change their stance
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    Jan 10, 2012 1:49 PM GMT
    Will be interesting to see how this group evolves moving forward. While they are acknowledging that reparative therapy is crap, still not sure they are changing their position, which is, 'if you are gay and Christian, your choices are celibacy or trying to find some level of satisfaction as a pseudo hetro'. I admit, I only read 3/4 of the article.
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    Jan 10, 2012 1:53 PM GMT
    If they won't believe the AMA or the APA they are not likely to believe him. Of course the founder of that group went back to guys long ago.

    Separately, I know Justin, the head of the GCN... cool guy.
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    Jan 10, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
    Next we'll be told the sun rises in the east.
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    Jan 10, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you saidwouldn't say fascinating. reasonable people know exodus is farcical. an organization only supported by homophobes and people who have not given much thought to what they believe.
    watch you see focus on the family and its ilk will still not change their stance


    You have to understand, dude. I work in politics. Your post is emotionally based and mine is purely academic. You learn from watching the developments. You cannot implement a successfully strategy wiithout data and insight. This article provides some interesting insight into the dynamics at play here. And that is fascinating.
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    Jan 11, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
    A failure rate higher than 99%? I wonder if they post that in their literature. Surely that will bring in the customers in droves. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 11, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidA failure rate higher than 99%? I wonder if they post that in their literature. Surely that will bring in the customers in droves. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    I doubt it was the success rate that attracted customers in the first place.

    Shaming and persecution can be effective marketing tools.
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    Jan 11, 2012 3:13 AM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidA failure rate higher than 99%? I wonder if they post that in their literature. Surely that will bring in the customers in droves. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    You misapprehend the point of these groups.

    They know full well that orientation cannot and does not change. What they are after is much larger: they want to change the culture so as to force us back into the closet. If you read the far-right sites such as freerepublic, they are quite explicit about it. They yearn for the time when "decent" people didn't even know about such things, when police freely raided the places we gathered, when homosexuals were rounded up and given arrest records for crimes such as "loitering" (since nothing else could be proved), when police decoys routinely entrapped us outdoors, when "sodomy" was a crime that could not only shame you publicly but get you forced out of your job, your housing, and lose or never be granted a security clearance; a time when we could be blackmailed with impunity and beaten at will with no criminal consequence.

    This is the society they grew up in and the one they want to return to. Again, they don't even really bother to hide their ambition.


    Very well said.

    Christianity is a simple religion. Its all about compelling people into behaviors that are pleasing to their God. What you *are* or *want* is irrelevant. History books are full of examples of Christians using beatings, burnings, torture, discrimination, etc. to force everybody, including non-Christians to fall in line.

    This is why Christians want to run the government. Its also why there are so many crazy people.
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    Jan 11, 2012 3:37 AM GMT
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    jpBITCHva said
    KissTheSky saidA failure rate higher than 99%? I wonder if they post that in their literature. Surely that will bring in the customers in droves. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    You misapprehend the point of these groups.

    They know full well that orientation cannot and does not change. What they are after is much larger: they want to change the culture so as to force us back into the closet. If you read the far-right sites such as freerepublic, they are quite explicit about it. They yearn for the time when "decent" people didn't even know about such things, when police freely raided the places we gathered, when homosexuals were rounded up and given arrest records for crimes such as "loitering" (since nothing else could be proved), when police decoys routinely entrapped us outdoors, when "sodomy" was a crime that could not only shame you publicly but get you forced out of your job, your housing, and lose or never be granted a security clearance; a time when we could be blackmailed with impunity and beaten at will with no criminal consequence.

    This is the society they grew up in and the one they want to return to. Again, they don't even really bother to hide their ambition.


    Very well said.

    Christianity is a simple religion. Its all about compelling people into behaviors that are pleasing to their God. What you *are* or *want* is irrelevant. History books are full of examples of Christians using beatings, burnings, torture, discrimination, etc. to force everybody, including non-Christians to fall in line.

    This is why Christians want to run the government. Its also why there are so many crazy people.


    Christianity may be simple, but "follow blindly" is not the core message. The fact that some churches operate that way is, frankly, a shame, but perhaps they know their audience.

    Did you miss the part where this is meeting is a conference of a pro-gay group (the Gay Christian Network)? I find it interesting that Fox was there and made this admission. I know two of the founders (Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper) admitted it was a fraud and ran away together not long afterwards.

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    Jan 11, 2012 4:10 AM GMT
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    White4DarkerFL said
    jpBITCHva said
    KissTheSky saidA failure rate higher than 99%? I wonder if they post that in their literature. Surely that will bring in the customers in droves. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    You misapprehend the point of these groups.

    They know full well that orientation cannot and does not change. What they are after is much larger: they want to change the culture so as to force us back into the closet. If you read the far-right sites such as freerepublic, they are quite explicit about it. They yearn for the time when "decent" people didn't even know about such things, when police freely raided the places we gathered, when homosexuals were rounded up and given arrest records for crimes such as "loitering" (since nothing else could be proved), when police decoys routinely entrapped us outdoors, when "sodomy" was a crime that could not only shame you publicly but get you forced out of your job, your housing, and lose or never be granted a security clearance; a time when we could be blackmailed with impunity and beaten at will with no criminal consequence.

    This is the society they grew up in and the one they want to return to. Again, they don't even really bother to hide their ambition.


    Very well said.

    Christianity is a simple religion. Its all about compelling people into behaviors that are pleasing to their God. What you *are* or *want* is irrelevant. History books are full of examples of Christians using beatings, burnings, torture, discrimination, etc. to force everybody, including non-Christians to fall in line.

    This is why Christians want to run the government. Its also why there are so many crazy people.


    Christianity may be simple, but "follow blindly" is not the core message. The fact that some churches operate that way is, frankly, a shame, but perhaps they know their audience.

    Did you miss the part where this is meeting is a conference of a pro-gay group (the Gay Christian Network)? I find it interesting that Fox was there and made this admission. I know two of the founders (Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper) admitted it was a fraud and ran away together not long afterwards.



    There are literally hundreds of thousands little offshoots of Christianity, many of them formed to justify a certain behavior.

    Christianity is simple minded in that runs counter to the basic findings of psychology and mental health. This is why so many Christian groups manipulate their followers when it comes to gays.
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    Jan 11, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    White4DarkerFL said
    njmeanwhile said
    White4DarkerFL said
    jpBITCHva said
    KissTheSky saidA failure rate higher than 99%? I wonder if they post that in their literature. Surely that will bring in the customers in droves. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    You misapprehend the point of these groups.

    They know full well that orientation cannot and does not change. What they are after is much larger: they want to change the culture so as to force us back into the closet. If you read the far-right sites such as freerepublic, they are quite explicit about it. They yearn for the time when "decent" people didn't even know about such things, when police freely raided the places we gathered, when homosexuals were rounded up and given arrest records for crimes such as "loitering" (since nothing else could be proved), when police decoys routinely entrapped us outdoors, when "sodomy" was a crime that could not only shame you publicly but get you forced out of your job, your housing, and lose or never be granted a security clearance; a time when we could be blackmailed with impunity and beaten at will with no criminal consequence.

    This is the society they grew up in and the one they want to return to. Again, they don't even really bother to hide their ambition.


    Very well said.

    Christianity is a simple religion. Its all about compelling people into behaviors that are pleasing to their God. What you *are* or *want* is irrelevant. History books are full of examples of Christians using beatings, burnings, torture, discrimination, etc. to force everybody, including non-Christians to fall in line.

    This is why Christians want to run the government. Its also why there are so many crazy people.


    Christianity may be simple, but "follow blindly" is not the core message. The fact that some churches operate that way is, frankly, a shame, but perhaps they know their audience.

    Did you miss the part where this is meeting is a conference of a pro-gay group (the Gay Christian Network)? I find it interesting that Fox was there and made this admission. I know two of the founders (Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper) admitted it was a fraud and ran away together not long afterwards.



    There are literally hundreds of thousands little offshoots of Christianity, many of them formed to justify a certain behavior.

    Christianity is simple minded in that runs counter to the basic findings of psychology and mental health. This is why so many Christian groups manipulate their followers when it comes to gays.


    That's interesting considering I have two friends who are priests and also psychologists. My denomination encourages its members to learn all they can, interpret, disagree and form their own theology. Our clergy have a masters at a minimum and many also have a doctorate. Nothing is dictated or manipulated or mandated... we discuss, argue, disagree, and draw conclusions that work for us. My BF and I are halfway through a college-level certificate program in Bible literacy, theology and church history. We have congregational programs in New York that shelter and care for gay and transgender runaway youth including sex workers. If people don't choose to take it to that level, that's their choice, but we are not all sheep who sit in a pew and do what we're told.