Canada OR West Coast USA?

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    Jan 10, 2012 12:17 PM GMT
    I want to go on a 2-3 week vacation for my 30th birthday, which is February 2013.

    Initially the plan was going to be flying to San Fran, staying there for a week, then heading to LA for a few days, then to Vegas for a few days and home.

    However, I'm thinking more long term these days and one idea that I can't shake is the desire to emigrate, and for many reasons, Canada really appeals to me.

    So I am also thinking about Canada instead for this trip - Vancouver, the Rockies, and possibly checking out Seattle as well. It would be a taster of what Canada's like as well as a holiday, to help decide whether I do want to make plans to emigrate.

    What does everyone think? I've been to the US twice, once as a kid (Florida) and once last year (New York) and I definitely want to go to San Fran, LA and Vegas at some point, but I'm torn as to what is the best option. I have a couple months to decide as I won't be able to get the flights booked until then (when they are released, and when I have the money) so I'll be doing a lot of research for both, but I thought I'd kick off by hearing a) from guys who have visited these places on holiday and get their opinions, and also b) guys who live in these locations to give me the first hand views.

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    Jan 10, 2012 12:30 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidUmm. Yes, Vancouver. USA sucks (or whatever). You're made for Vancouver.

    I'm not biased at all. I'm totally thinking of your best interests. icon_redface.gif


    Why do you think I'd be suited for Vancouver? I've heard it's very outdoorsy and despite the fact that I don't get the opportunity to much, I do love the outdoors, and outdoor activities! I basically like the idea of living in a house by a lake at the foot of some mountains in the middle of nowhere.
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    Jan 10, 2012 1:24 PM GMT
    Hard to say not knowing you really and your likes/dislikes etc. and the fact that each of the places you've visited or are thinking of visiting are so different in amongst themselves even within their own countries because both countries are so huge. . Seattle for example is more like Vancouver than it is LA. None of them are like NY or LA which themselves are not at all like each other. Vancouver is another world away from what it's like in Toronto or Montreal.
    Therefore it's not like you could visit Toronto, hated it and say, Yeah I visited Canada and hated it just because you were in one specific area where the weather didn't suit you or something. You only saw one little bit.
    You go to Vancouver and Seattle and you have to expect to be living with a lot of rain, as much as it does in England but when it's not raining it's gorgeous.

    For emigrating though if you're thinking of your future and which might be the better fit, ,The US or Canada that's another whole ball of wax because tossing climate regions and politics aside overall the day to day life, everything physical isn't much different, things look much the same. Like where I live on the border.. blindfolded and plopped down on my street or out at a shopping center you wouldn't be able to tell whether you were here in Ontario or Michigan. Unless you saw a flag flying or mailbox. (yeah there are other clues we'd notice but someone from over the pond probably wouldn't)

    The huge difference besides climate regions though between Canada and the US now more than ever (even as little as 30 years ago) is politics and and do you want to live your life as a gay man where you can enjoy a life with guaranteed equal rights and opportunities and equally high standard of living or take your chances. .

    When I was your age and had moved out west to Vancouver, loving it btw and loving going down to Seatttle on weekends etc.. I applied for and was offered a job with our competitor which meant possibly moving to Seattle... I thought long and hard about it and decided against it. But that's just me. I didn't want to live a life of uncertainty. Besides none of it's far away if you want to go visit for a day or weekend or whatever and then you can always come home.

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    Jan 10, 2012 1:26 PM GMT
    You have always struck me as suited to Vancouver - modern, progressive, cosmopolitan and and classy

    I think you would also thrive in Montreal with its european vibe.

    I think Toronto would be too American for you; Ottawa would be too impersonal and "small town and the east coast too quiet unless you are really into golf and boats.
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    Jan 10, 2012 2:04 PM GMT
    Based only on scenery, knowing what I find spectacular and what my friends from Europe also find spectacular, and unlike anything in Europe:
    Big Sur coast - south of San Francisco near Monterrey and Carmel.
    Death Valley
    Grand Canyon
    Probably the most spectacular is Yosemite Park, but that is more accessible in the summer months.
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    Jan 10, 2012 2:08 PM GMT
    I spent my 35th birthday in Toronto, it was an awesome experience for me.
    My Dad spent his 55th birthday in Calgary and points in Alberta and I know he still raves about it today. I would say, plan for where you haven't been ... plan, but leave open parts to be spontaneous.
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    Jan 10, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    Canada is a confederacy, not a union. Its different regions are a bit like visiting different countries. The USA is more homogenous, but because it is so big there are plenty of places that are beautifully unique. Which is a round-about way of saying that what you experience in Vancouver, or SF, or Seattle will not reflect what the other places in these countries are like.

    According to many eastern Canadians, Vancouver may be the most beautiful and modern, surrounded by amazing water and mountains and forests. A perfect summer vacation (though cold and wet this time of year). But it is the most difficult place for new residents to make friends and to integrate.

    Regarding your appeal of living in a house on a mountain lake in the middle of no-where, there are lots of rural places in USA and Canada to do this, and some of these have a plethora of job opportunities, depending on what you are into.

    So the question is, what sorts of people do you want to hang out with, what kind of careers are on your palet of interests, is being close to a large gay community important, do you want to live and work rurally or comute to a big city, is public transport important, and that sort of thing. For example, would you want to live rurally but take a commuter train to a big downtown M-F?
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    Jan 10, 2012 2:40 PM GMT
    Vancouver is a very super nice place. Both times I've been there, I've always enjoyed it. It would be a wonderful place to relocate, but...it's really, REALLY expensive! icon_eek.gif

    If you want a similar experience that's a bit more budget friendly, move to Seattle.
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    Jan 10, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidYou have always struck me as suited to Vancouver - modern, progressive, cosmopolitan and and classy


    Classy, moi!? :-D

    Though a couple of people I've spoken to about this lately have said that they think I would really like Vancouver so I think there is something in it.
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    Jan 10, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
    beneful1 saidThe huge difference besides climate regions though between Canada and the US now more than ever (even as little as 30 years ago) is politics and and do you want to live your life as a gay man where you can enjoy a life with guaranteed equal rights and opportunities and equally high standard of living or take your chances. .


    Well put it this way, I wouldn't want to live anywhere that gay rights were not on at least a par with the UK. But the initial concern is the holiday rather than the re-location as obviously that will take far more thought/planning.
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    Jan 10, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidGrand Canyon



    Definitely on my 'bucket list' is a helicopter ride over the Grand Canyon. Or just to do a Britney impression standing on one of the cliff edges!
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    Jan 10, 2012 3:59 PM GMT
    Do as much of the west coast as you humanly can.... its really beautiful...
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    Nivek saidSo the question is, what sorts of people do you want to hang out with, what kind of careers are on your palet of interests, is being close to a large gay community important, do you want to live and work rurally or comute to a big city, is public transport important, and that sort of thing. For example, would you want to live rurally but take a commuter train to a big downtown M-F?


    I don't really want to hang out with many people, I'm pretty misanthropic really! I don't want to be completely isolated but it would also be fine with me if I didn't have loads of people around.

    Career-wise, IT & project management (kind of resigned to this) but perhaps ultimately my own business?

    Large gay community not important, as long as there was somewhere to travel to within, say, an hour or two if I did want some gay environment.
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    Nivek saidCanada is a confederacy, not a union. Its different regions are a bit like visiting different countries. The USA is more homogenous,


    USA homogenous? icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:02 PM GMT
    CANADA, duuuhhh
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    Pure said
    Upper_Cdn saidYou have always struck me as suited to Vancouver - modern, progressive, cosmopolitan and and classy


    Classy, moi!? :-D

    Though a couple of people I've spoken to about this lately have said that they think I would really like Vancouver so I think there is something in it.


    I personally preferred Victoria and Whistler... but thats just me.. even Vancouver is only a tiny piece in the huge country that is British Columbia
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
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    Pure said
    Upper_Cdn saidYou have always struck me as suited to Vancouver - modern, progressive, cosmopolitan and and classy


    Classy, moi!? :-D

    Though a couple of people I've spoken to about this lately have said that they think I would really like Vancouver so I think there is something in it.


    I personally preferred Victoria and Whistler... but thats just me.. even Vancouver is only a tiny piece in the huge country that is British Columbia


    BC is not a country, lol
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:09 PM GMT
    If you are planning on traveling in Feb., which is winter season, weather in Vancouver & Seattle will be lousy; in any case you can see them in one trip also adding Portland in the mix. The Canadian rockies will be beautiful, but of course you're going in the high season, and that part of Canada is nothing like the east or west coasts.

    As others have said, you really need to decide what your priorities for this trip is
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:11 PM GMT
    Ruskach said
    GreenHopper said
    Pure said
    Upper_Cdn saidYou have always struck me as suited to Vancouver - modern, progressive, cosmopolitan and and classy


    Classy, moi!? :-D

    Though a couple of people I've spoken to about this lately have said that they think I would really like Vancouver so I think there is something in it.


    I personally preferred Victoria and Whistler... but thats just me.. even Vancouver is only a tiny piece in the huge country that is British Columbia


    BC is not a country, lol


    Ehm, are you having fun correcting my evocative english? Or will you do that every time I make a metaphor or simile?
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    You can't go wrong either way. The Pacific Coast of North America is really quite amazing.
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    Don_Fitandbi_de_Jersey saidYou can't go wrong either way. The Pacific Coast of North America is really quite amazing.


    Aye!
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:19 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said
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    GreenHopper said
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    Upper_Cdn saidYou have always struck me as suited to Vancouver - modern, progressive, cosmopolitan and and classy


    Classy, moi!? :-D

    Though a couple of people I've spoken to about this lately have said that they think I would really like Vancouver so I think there is something in it.


    I personally preferred Victoria and Whistler... but thats just me.. even Vancouver is only a tiny piece in the huge country that is British Columbia


    BC is not a country, lol


    Ehm, are you having fun correcting my evocative english? Or will you do that every time I make a metaphor or simile?


    au temps pour moi
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:42 PM GMT
    Hysteriak saidVancouver for sure! But Seattle is a beautiful city too so check it out!
    The only problem with moving to Vancouver is that it's unbelievably expensive :s but I guess you get what you pay for...


    Uh oh, you're the second person who said it is expensive!

    Though it's all relative - is it expensive generally, or compared to the US? Because the UK is expensive compared to the US, so I'm used to expensive!

    For example, my house is £250,000 - which is $387,232.24 or CAD 393,920.23 - what would that get me in Vancouver?
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:48 PM GMT
    a 3 room apt is about 1000 dollars per month
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    Jan 10, 2012 4:52 PM GMT
    Ruskach saida 3 room apt is about 1000 dollars per month


    Well I'd want to buy somewhere if I were going to be emigrating. And it would have to be a house - I can't go from a house to an apartment!

    Sorry this thread is a bit confusing because it's about a holiday but also about potentially emigrating!