Why your choice to vote Republican is a really STUPID idea.

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    Jan 10, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
    I've been watching with great interest for many months the back-and-forth between sides in various forums here. Most of the threads quickly disintegrate to childish name-calling, challenges to fact-finding methods, or trivia-laden history lessons.

    GOP supporters here are quick to point out that their "enlightened" state allows them to see "the big picture" beyond their favorite candidate's anti-gay rhetoric. They claim that focusing on our equality as a "single issue" on which to base a vote is narrow-minded and short-sighted. Besides, they say, Obama doesn't want us to marry either.

    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.

    My respect and condolences to those of us here who are currently unemployed and wanting work - I hope you find work soon, regardless of who is in the White House.. Much less respect to those who are just worried about losing their Bush tax cuts, or who lust for tax-free capital gains.

    Get fucking real: how many of us here will REALLY be impacted by the illegal immigrants on our country? Or any number of other "hot button" issues dominating the debates? Damn few, that's for sure.

    But enforcement of DOMA, re-enactment of DADT, repeal of marriage equality... how can you overlook these direct threats or, in some cases, "pledges"?

    Is putting my welfare and that of my partner above the needs of our country somehow "unAmerican"? Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Not when it comes to equality for us all. It doesn't get more "American" than that.

    And being Americans, we are all fortunate that we can choose to vote however we see fit. But your choice to vote FOR any one of these bigoted assholes currently courting your vote, is a vote AGAINST me and every other man on this site, including yourself.

    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.



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    Jan 10, 2012 7:28 PM GMT
    It really is shocking that with all the progress that's been made with building support for equal rights for gay Americans, and the rising poll numbers for fair and equal treatment of gays under the law - this year's election has seen an even GREATER amount of anti-gay rhetoric and policy advocacy from the Repub candidates running for president than we've seen in past elections!

    Every one of the major Repub candidates running for president has signed a pledge to work to pass AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION banning gay marriage forever under the law!

    That's some major EXTREME stuff.

    The Repubs have made their stance clear.
    They advocate making gay Americans permanent second class citizens.

    They've chosen to make themselves our enemies and we ignore their anti-gay agenda at our own risk.

    The fact is that we need to fight back against them at the ballot box and with our voices.
    We can't allow them to succeed at stealing our equal rights.

    Gay rights is yet another issue that shows the Repub party on the WRONG side of history.
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    Jan 10, 2012 7:33 PM GMT
    Squarepeg saidI've been watching with great interest for many months the back-and-forth between sides in various forums here. Most of the threads quickly disintegrate to childish name-calling, challenges to fact-finding methods, or trivia-laden history lessons.

    GOP supporters here are quick to point out that their "enlightened" state allows them to see "the big picture" beyond their favorite candidate's anti-gay rhetoric. They claim that focusing on our equality as a "single issue" on which to base a vote is narrow-minded and short-sighted. Besides, they say, Obama doesn't want us to marry either.

    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.

    My respect and condolences to those of us here who are currently unemployed and wanting work - I hope you find work soon, regardless of who is in the White House.. Much less respect to those who are just worried about losing their Bush tax cuts, or who lust for tax-free capital gains.

    Get fucking real: how many of us here will REALLY be impacted by the illegal immigrants on our country? How many of us REALLY gained from the fall of Saddam Hussein? Damn few, that's for sure.

    But enforcement of DOMA, re-enactment of DADT, repeal of marriage equality... how can you overlook these direct threats or, in some cases, "pledges"?

    Is putting my welfare and that of my partner above the needs of our country somehow "unAmerican"? Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Not when it comes to equality for us all. It doesn't get more "American" than that.

    And being Americans, we are all fortunate that we can choose to vote however we see fit. But your choice to vote FOR any one of these bigoted assholes currently courting your vote, is a vote AGAINST me and every other man on this site.




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    Jan 10, 2012 7:46 PM GMT
    Squarepeg said

    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.



    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE
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    Jan 10, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
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    Squarepeg saidGet fucking real: how many of us here will REALLY be impacted by the illegal immigrants on our country? Or any number of other "hot button" issues dominating the debates? Damn few, that's for sure.

    But enforcement of DOMA, re-enactment of DADT, repeal of marriage equality... how can you overlook these direct threats or, in some cases, "pledges"?


    DOMA and "marriage equality" as in "marriage is between a man and a woman?" (Barack Obama)

    Oh, you are in the military? Well I guess DADT would affect you if it was reinstated.

    Nice try to say you're not all about "gay rights" when in reality that is all you care about... You'll be believing Democrat claptrap until the day you die, while they continue to do absolutely nothing that materially helps "the gays" in America.



    Every single major Repub candidate for president wants to AMEND THE CONSTITUTION to make gay Americans second class citizens who don't have the same equal rights that straight Americans enjoy.

    That's a major and extreme step to take!
    To enshrine the bigotry and intolerance of the religious right Repubs IN OUR CONSTITUTION!

    It's despicable and UNAMERICAN.

    The words and actions of the Repubs have made it clear that they advocate an ACTIVIST agenda against equal rights for gay Americans.

    No amount of bullshit spin from you or the rest of the RJ Repubs will ever change that sad fact.
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    Jan 10, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Squarepeg said
    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.


    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE

    There are many here who lack the intellectual capability to understand that others with a different view of the world and different priorities will come up with completely different conclusions. The only point in responding is for others who casually read the threads. There is no way a few sentences will convince the likes of the OP that any view that differs from his own has any merit.
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    Jan 10, 2012 8:15 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Squarepeg said
    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.


    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE

    There are many here who lack the intellectual capability to understand that others with a different view of the world and different priorities will come up with completely different conclusions. The only point in responding is for others who casually read the threads. There is no way a few sentences will convince the likes of the OP that any view that differs from his own has any merit.




    HAHA!

    What a typically self-important pompous comment from you.

    Facts are facts.

    Every Repub president since at least 1900 has had at least one recession hit on his watch.
    By contrast, there were four Democratic presidents in the last 50 years who had NO recessions hit on their watch.
    And nine out of the last ten recessions has hit when there's been a Repub in the White House!

    Plus, no Repub president has balanced the budget since 1957, while Johnson Carter and Clinton all balanced the budget at least once while they were in office.
    The bottom line is that Repub presidents have added TRILLIONS more to the National Debt than Democratic presidents!

    The fact us that the Repub record on handling the economy is ABYSMAL and far worse than the Democratic record!

    So, there is NO credible rational reason to vote Repub for economic reasons.
    Repub economic policies have been a DISASTER for our country!

    We're left to ask ourselves - WHY do gay Repubs vote Repub?
    There seems to be no logical rational reason.

    The fact is that gay Repubs don't think logically or rationally.
    They vote on their emotions and fantasies.
    They vote Repub because they think it will butch them up and make them less gay.
    So to describe them as "self-loathing" is actually quite accurate.
    Based on the facts.
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    Jan 10, 2012 8:33 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Squarepeg said

    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.



    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE


    +1

    What do you think will happen if any political party can ALWAYS count on a vote.... what happened in 2008 with Prop 8,


    Is the discussion that simple? Are you a single issue voter? Congrats.......

    What about the economy? National Defense? Tax policy? none of that impacts you?

    No one proposes they are enlightened. I know and live among many who disagree on some of my political views , but often we agree upon alot of things.
    You do not realize obviously that your condescending tone is very UNLIKELY to convince anyone of anything.

    "Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones"
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    Jan 10, 2012 9:04 PM GMT
    I do not have the politics that I have based on the gay issue alone - the fact is, progressives fight for the liberty and freedom of the people in general including gays. Conservative economic policies are as oppressive as their social policies.
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    Jan 10, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
    musclemed said:
    Is the discussion that simple? Are you a single issue voter? Congrats.......
    What about the economy? National Defense? Tax policy? none of that impacts you?





    When on this thread did anyone suggest that this is a simple single issue discussion?

    The economy?

    See my comment above at 1:15 PM for the facts that prove that the Repub record on handling the economy is abysmal and FAR worse than the Democrat's record.

    National defense?

    Democratic presidents led the country to victory in both WW I AND WW II.

    The worst terrorist attack on US soil happened on the Repub president Bush Jr's watch, and it took Democratic president Barack Obama to bring the mastermind behind the attack, Osama bin Laden, to justice.

    Repub president Bush Jr. also started a war based on lies about WMD's and an "imminent threat" that cost the American people thousands of US lives and added a trillion dollars to the National Debt.

    Tax policy?

    Yes, if you're a millionaire or a billionaire, it does pay to vote Repub.
    The Repubs have shown repeatedly that protecting tax cuts for the richest 1% is the only issue that they really care about and are willing to fight for.

    But the Democrat's tax policy is vastly better for the other 99% of Americans.

    So, a factual non-right-wing-fantasy-world look at the facts proves that the only folks who have a credible rational reason to vote Repub are millionaires and billionaires!
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    Jan 10, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Squarepeg said
    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.


    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE

    There are many here who lack the intellectual capability to understand that others with a different view of the world and different priorities will come up with completely different conclusions. The only point in responding is for others who casually read the threads. There is no way a few sentences will convince the likes of the OP that any view that differs from his own has any merit.


    You are correct. Whether a few sentences or a few volumes... nothing will convince me that my own personal gain is worth selling my brothers and sisters down the river.
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    Jan 10, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    Squarepeg said
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Squarepeg said
    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.


    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE

    There are many here who lack the intellectual capability to understand that others with a different view of the world and different priorities will come up with completely different conclusions. The only point in responding is for others who casually read the threads. There is no way a few sentences will convince the likes of the OP that any view that differs from his own has any merit.


    You are correct. Whether a few sentences or a few volumes... nothing will convince me that my own personal gain is worth selling my brothers and sisters down the river.

    Your position is based on a set of assumptions that I and others do not agree with. The difference is I am able to understand your assumptions, but you are not able to understand others'.
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    Jan 10, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Squarepeg said

    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.



    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE


    +1

    What do you think will happen if any political party can ALWAYS count on a vote.... what happened in 2008 with Prop 8,


    Is the discussion that simple? Are you a single issue voter? Congrats.......

    What about the economy? National Defense? Tax policy? none of that impacts you?

    No one proposes they are enlightened. I know and live among many who disagree on some of my political views , but often we agree upon alot of things.
    You do not realize obviously that your condescending tone is very UNLIKELY to convince anyone of anything.

    "Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones"


    You're right, the "enlightened" comment may be off-putting to some. See it as a rebuttal to much of the snide remarks that often get thrown down here (e.g. - Socal's "intellectual capacity" barb, above).

    Regardless, I have no illusions about convincing anyone of anything in this forum. Rather, I felt compelled to bring up what I see is the 500 lb gorilla. Sure I have very strong opinions about tax policy and National Defense. Immigration policy, not so much. The economy? I don't know what to do... Do you?

    But I'll reiterate my point that no issue being discussed (or so easily being bantered about by the candidates) will have as significant a personal impact on so many people here as the issue of our equal rights.


    Just re-read my post. I think it was pretty clear.
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    Jan 10, 2012 10:18 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Squarepeg said
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Squarepeg said
    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.


    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE

    There are many here who lack the intellectual capability to understand that others with a different view of the world and different priorities will come up with completely different conclusions. The only point in responding is for others who casually read the threads. There is no way a few sentences will convince the likes of the OP that any view that differs from his own has any merit.


    You are correct. Whether a few sentences or a few volumes... nothing will convince me that my own personal gain is worth selling my brothers and sisters down the river.

    Your position is based on a set of assumptions that I and others do not agree with. The difference is I am able to understand your assumptions, but you are not able to understand others'.


    Ok. I've made it pretty clear what I have to lose. My assumption is that you have something personal to gain by the enactment of the policies endorsed by the GOP.

    No?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 10, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
    To accuse gay men of voting for republicans as stupid is a very inaccurate and irresponsible comment on the part of the OP. Not all republicans are anti gay or anti anyone else. The OP has obviously jumped to conclusions by lumping all republicans in one category which is wrong. Not all members of the GOP are narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. The democrats have done more than their fair share of making campaign promises only to be either backing out on them after getting elected or dragging their feet in making the changes that most of us want to be implemented. democrats have also pandered to the religious lunatics from time to time. How quick the OP forgets.
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    Jan 10, 2012 10:45 PM GMT
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    Squarepeg said
    Ok. I've made it pretty clear what I have to lose.



    What do you have to lose?

    Are you in the military? Then yes, if DADT is put back in place, I can see that.

    Regarding DOMA / gay marriage - you don't have it now. You never had it to lose in the first place. The Democrats conveniently "forgot" to take care of that when they had complete control of the Congress and Presidency during the first 2 years of Obama.





    What do we have to lose by electing another Repub president?

    Given the fact that every Repub president who's been elected for more than A HUNDRED YEARS has had at least one recession hit on his watch and nine out of the last ten recessions has hit while there was a Repub in the White House - we obviously run a great risk of suffering yet another Repub recession and more Repub job losses if we stupidly put another Repub in the White House.

    Plus, over the past thirty years, Repub presidents have added TRILLIONS more to the National Debt than Democratic presidents have.

    Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them!
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    Jan 10, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
    Squarepeg said
    socalfitness said
    Squarepeg said
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Squarepeg said
    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.


    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE

    There are many here who lack the intellectual capability to understand that others with a different view of the world and different priorities will come up with completely different conclusions. The only point in responding is for others who casually read the threads. There is no way a few sentences will convince the likes of the OP that any view that differs from his own has any merit.


    You are correct. Whether a few sentences or a few volumes... nothing will convince me that my own personal gain is worth selling my brothers and sisters down the river.

    Your position is based on a set of assumptions that I and others do not agree with. The difference is I am able to understand your assumptions, but you are not able to understand others'.


    Ok. I've made it pretty clear what I have to lose. My assumption is that you have something personal to gain by the enactment of the policies endorsed by the GOP.

    No?





    YUP.

    As we've seen time and time again expressed in SB's posts - SB votes Repub out of a selfish greedy desire to continue receiving the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

    LOL!
    All other issues be damned!
    SB wants his tax cuts!

    Typical Repub selfishness.
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    Jan 10, 2012 11:02 PM GMT
    Squarepeg said
    socalfitness said
    Squarepeg said
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Squarepeg said
    Well chew on this, oh enlighten ones:

    There is no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies these assholes want to implement against me if they are elected.


    You can CHEW on this....We all have a single vote and along with that the right to vote according to our own personal needs that affect our own personal lives -- what is important to us personally as individuals, how we weigh our own needs against those of the greater country at large, etc. You say that "no single issue that will directly affect my life more, no greater threat to my future comfort and security, than the anti-gay policies", and that is fine --- vote accordingly. That being said, don't be so brazen and self-righteous to make statements like...

    Squarepeg said
    I've always dismissed the idea of the "self-loathing gay", but if ever there was the case for one, this is it.


    I get that you, and others who think like you, like to chastise those who may have different priorities than your own and paint them as "self-loathing", which in my eyes is you being just as judgmental as those you claim are trying to take away your right. CHEW on the reality that YOU have your vote, but you don't get to decide MINE

    There are many here who lack the intellectual capability to understand that others with a different view of the world and different priorities will come up with completely different conclusions. The only point in responding is for others who casually read the threads. There is no way a few sentences will convince the likes of the OP that any view that differs from his own has any merit.


    You are correct. Whether a few sentences or a few volumes... nothing will convince me that my own personal gain is worth selling my brothers and sisters down the river.

    Your position is based on a set of assumptions that I and others do not agree with. The difference is I am able to understand your assumptions, but you are not able to understand others'.


    Ok. I've made it pretty clear what I have to lose. My assumption is that you have something personal to gain by the enactment of the policies endorsed by the GOP.

    No?

    Your assumption is not correct. I personally don't gain or lose significantly by which party is in place. Most significant is my view of the financial well being of the country. Some here see things differently, but my view is the policies of this Administration are damaging this country and I think 4 more years will be a disaster. I am not swayed by a slight improvement for two reasons: 1) Any improvements are despite this Admonistration, not because of the Administration, and 2) Four more years without an election to fear would see a President hell bent on imposing a far-left agenda, violating the law, exceeding his legal authority.
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    roadbikeRob saidNot all republicans are anti gay or anti anyone else. The OP has obviously jumped to conclusions by lumping all republicans in one category which is wrong. Not all members of the GOP are narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs.



    Hmmm......so which of the GOP candidates is not anti-gay. I guess I must have missed one. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 10, 2012 11:19 PM GMT
    Whatever any one individual`s motives are, in voting for any of the Republican candidates, it will be seen in wider political circles as an endorsement of a active, strongly anti-gay agenda.
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    Jan 10, 2012 11:20 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Scruffypup said
    roadbikeRob saidNot all republicans are anti gay or anti anyone else. The OP has obviously jumped to conclusions by lumping all republicans in one category which is wrong. Not all members of the GOP are narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs.



    Hmmm......so which of the GOP candidates is not anti-gay. I guess I must have missed one. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I'll give you a hint... they all share the same view on gay marriage as your beloved President Obama:



    That's disingenuous at best. Obama does not incite or pander to hatred of gays the way Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, and Paul do.
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    Jan 10, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Scruffypup said
    roadbikeRob saidNot all republicans are anti gay or anti anyone else. The OP has obviously jumped to conclusions by lumping all republicans in one category which is wrong. Not all members of the GOP are narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs.



    Hmmm......so which of the GOP candidates is not anti-gay. I guess I must have missed one. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I'll give you a hint... they all share the same view on gay marriage as your beloved President Obama:



    That's disingenuous at best. Obama does not incite or pander to hatred of gays the way Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, and Paul do.


    In addition, Obama has ordered the Department of Justice to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act.

    White House press secretary Jay Carney stressed that Obama's personal views on gay marriage are "distinct from this legal decision."

    While Obama continues to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, Carney said that Obama "has long opposed [DOMA] as unnecessary and unfair."


    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/145735-in-reversal-obama-asks-justice-to-stand-down-on-marriage-law

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    Jan 10, 2012 11:32 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 said
    Plus, over the past thirty years, Repub presidents have added TRILLIONS more to the National Debt than Democratic presidents have.


    RickRick,

    How many TRILLIONS were added when Congress was under Democrat control?

    You remember Congress - the branch of government that ACTUALLY CONTROLS GOVERNMENT SPENDING - don't you????




    Apparently you've forgotten the fact that no spending legislation can be passed into law and implemented without the signature and approval of the president.

    And the fact that for most of his time in office Bush had a completely or partially REPUBLICAN Congress which rubber stamped everything Bush asked for.

    Reagan as well had a Repub controlled Senate for the first six of his eight years in office - and the budgets Reagan asked for were as big or bigger than the budgets eventually passed by the Congress.

    But we know that you don't really care about the facts or what's best for the overall economy.
    All you care about is continuing to receive the Bush tax cuts for the rich!


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    Jan 10, 2012 11:47 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 said



    Apparently you've forgotten ...



    Apparently you are ignoring the fact that it is the CONGRESS the controls tax policy and spending.

    How many years have the Democrats controlled congress in the past 50 years, RIckRick?




    Apparently you're ignoring the fact that the President has THE FINAL WORD and can veto any piece of legislation he disapproves of!

    You do realize that the buck stops on the President's desk, don't you?
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    Gay progressives put the needs of the country first. America does not need more hatred and inequality and bigotry, it does not need more war, it does not need more oppression of working people and destruction of the environment. Gay progressives are not "single issue voters" as we care about every issue. Economic oppression and social oppression are linked together, all of these issues feed into each other, and it's not surprising a party such as the Republican Party which bases itself on preventing progress in all areas strives to prevent progress on gay rights.