The Father of India’s Gay Rights Movement: Supergay Ashok Row Kavi

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    Jan 11, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
    The Father of India’s Gay Rights Movement: Supergay Ashok Row Kavi


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    Jan 11, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
    metta8 saidThe Father of India’s Gay Rights Movement: Supergay Ashok Row Kavi


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    Thanks for posting. That's a fascinating interview.

    Yes, homophobia is a Christian thing, with their lies and intolerance spread across the world.
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    Jan 12, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
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    metta8 saidThe Father of India’s Gay Rights Movement: Supergay Ashok Row Kavi


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    Thanks for posting. That's a fascinating interview.

    Yes, homophobia is a Christian thing, with their lies and intolerance spread across the world.


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    Jan 12, 2012 4:07 AM GMT
    Very interesting article. As someone from India (Now living in Canada) I can see understand a lot of it. He has been very vocal in India movement for LGBT rights. But then again, he has shown a more positive LGBT friendliness than it really is. There are still a lot of social stigmas and lot of people who rather have gays being stoned to death than equal rights. Muslim Imans, Christian Priest are totally against it. Hindu Priests are mixed in their stand whereas Buddhist priest doesn't care at all.
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    Jan 13, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
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    metta8 saidThe Father of India’s Gay Rights Movement: Supergay Ashok Row Kavi


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    Thanks for posting. That's a fascinating interview.

    Yes, homophobia is a Christian thing, with their lies and intolerance spread across the world.


    What a fucking moron you strive to be --- I can't help but feel a little dumber for having to even point out the obvious fact that Islamic countries and people are far more hostile to gay people to the point of flat out execution without so much as a trial -- do you really think you can say something this colossally asinine and not be called out on it? Reading your posts on here is a sure way for anyone to dramatically reduce common sense.

    India makes some babysteps towards better treatment of gay people and you think this is some amazing progress? Give me a break...countries like India or China are still light years away from embracing the gay community the way that western predominantly christian nations do. The vast majority of all non-western countries and religions are anti-gay.

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    Jan 15, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
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    metta8 saidThe Father of India’s Gay Rights Movement: Supergay Ashok Row Kavi


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    Thanks for posting. That's a fascinating interview.

    Yes, homophobia is a Christian thing, with their lies and intolerance spread across the world.


    What a fucking moron you strive to be --- I can't help but feel a little dumber for having to even point out the obvious fact that Islamic countries and people are far more hostile to gay people to the point of flat out execution without so much as a trial -- do you really think you can say something this colossally asinine and not be called out on it? Reading your posts on here is a sure way for anyone to dramatically reduce common sense.

    India makes some babysteps towards better treatment of gay people and you think this is some amazing progress? Give me a break...countries like India or China are still light years away from embracing the gay community the way that western predominantly christian nations do. The vast majority of all non-western countries and religions are anti-gay.



    The difference is that in Islamic/Christian countries is a religious issue than in non-Islamic and non-Christian countries.
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    Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM GMT
    Nepal has already had a gay marriage..
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    Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM GMT
    And yes, Buddhists dont care at all.. Mocktwinkie is wrong.. Christian countries are bad for gays.. Laic countries and Buddhist countries are better
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    Jan 23, 2012 2:55 PM GMT
    GreenHopper saidAnd yes, Buddhists dont care at all.. Mocktwinkie is wrong.. Christian countries are bad for gays.. Laic countries and Buddhist countries are better


    What does buddhism have to do with islam? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 23, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
    Hmmm...I agree with Mock on some of this, although really Mock, calling someone a moron like that is pretty tacky. It's easier just to point out that in many countries where the main faith is Islamic it is dangerous to be gay.

    India and China are two what I consider secular countries where gays also have it rather rough.

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    Jan 23, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    meninlove said Hmmm...I agree with Mock on some of this, although really Mock, calling someone a moron like that is pretty tacky. It's easier just to point out that in many countries where the main faith is Islamic it is dangerous to be gay.

    India and China are two what I consider secular countries where gays also have it rather rough.

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    But he just goes out of his way to say the most outrageously false things ever, especially about christianity, I couldn't help it.
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    Jan 23, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
    Hmmm,

    I think Ashok Row Kavi missed the most important aspect of India, and that is the positive aspect of the cast system:

    * segments of society are totally indifferent to other groups, you can be whatever you want if not their cast, so in one sense they have at least a potential of diversity*

    Yet if you are part of the cast, and as such you want to be different, you may get killed. So "tribalism" is partial, and the state doesn't have to represent *one cast criteria* as it HAS to be in Christina-Judeo-Islamic or almost the rest of the systems where we ALL HAVE TO BE EQUAL.

    Islam and Christianity have dramatically altered this attitude of Hindu, where diversity is part of the identity: I am same as my cast, the rest I have no any interest in, and the government has to do well for my cast, it is all that matters, the rest can die and rot, I care less.

    Islam and Christanity were horrified by this, the cast system, they come where we are all equal and have even to "look" as clothes behaviours equal, These three can't philosophically deal with diversity, where Hinduism is a diversity religion, (which became perversity in the sense of human indifference).

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    Jan 23, 2012 9:59 PM GMT
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    meninlove said Hmmm...I agree with Mock on some of this, although really Mock, calling someone a moron like that is pretty tacky. It's easier just to point out that in many countries where the main faith is Islamic it is dangerous to be gay.

    India and China are two what I consider secular countries where gays also have it rather rough.

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    But he just goes out of his way to say the most outrageously false things ever, especially about christianity, I couldn't help it.


    the majority of the western nations are also non-practicing christians who are now secular, this isnt true with western areas where christianity is still practiced.

    In non christian and non islamic places where religion is still practiced however this is less of an issue than those places.

    I came out to my extended hindu family in India and they dint even know what gay meant so before i even explained what it meant they told me they loved me no matter what.

    while on the other hand my evangelical christian side of the family who live mostly in the middle east as well as rural austrailia and usa are just a lot contradicting biggots that are no different than the republican party views.
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    Jan 23, 2012 10:03 PM GMT
    GreenHopper saidNepal has already had a gay marriage..


    It's not quite official yet, but they are looking to recognize same-sex marriage and anti-discrimination laws some time early this year.

    And guess what? It was proposed by the Communist Party of Nepal of all groups.
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    Jan 23, 2012 10:16 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said
    meninlove said Hmmm...I agree with Mock on some of this, although really Mock, calling someone a moron like that is pretty tacky. It's easier just to point out that in many countries where the main faith is Islamic it is dangerous to be gay.

    India and China are two what I consider secular countries where gays also have it rather rough.

    -Doug




    But he just goes out of his way to say the most outrageously false things ever, especially about christianity, I couldn't help it.


    the majority of the western nations are also non-practicing christians who are now secular, this isnt true with western areas where christianity is still practiced.

    In non christian and non islamic places where religion is still practiced however this is less of an issue than those places.

    I came out to my extended hindu family in India and they dint even know what gay meant so before i even explained what it meant they told me they loved me no matter what.

    while on the other hand my evangelical christian side of the family who live mostly in the middle east as well as rural austrailia and usa are just a lot contradicting biggots that are no different than the republican party views.


    That's relative to what you consider "practicing" or not. Is someone not practicing their religion if they don't go to church often? I consider myself a christian and yet I'm not a big church goer. I also have many, many christian friends who have no problem with me being gay -- I wouldn't call them "non-practicing". One of my best friend's husband is a minister and they are very involved in the church.

    That being said, even the vast majority of the most staunch anti-gay christians in western countries don't believe that gay sex should actually be outlawed --they just want society to frown upon it as a sin.
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    Jan 23, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
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    GreenHopper saidNepal has already had a gay marriage..


    ......It's not quite official yet.....
    And guess what? It was proposed by the Communist Party of Nepal of all groups.


    I think it is official. You can get married on the Himalayas. What they want to do is to make it IN the constitution....

    What is shocking that it was proposed by the communist party, or Maoist? In communism it is easier to do it since there is no referenct to religion

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    Jan 24, 2012 5:30 AM GMT
    Say Mock, FootballHawk is speaking of evangelicals. Christians are very varied in their creeds. Some have ghastly aspects to them.

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    Jan 25, 2012 9:58 PM GMT
    meninlove said Say Mock, FootballHawk is speaking of evangelicals. Christians are very varied in their creeds. Some have ghastly aspects to them.

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    ^ this, evangelicals would like to see you castrated or 'converted' to straight.


    in my experiances non abrahamic religions usually lack staunch extremists to sway opinions since there is no dogmatic or particularly scriptured stance.

    my family runs several evangelical churches in the 'holy lands' and receive funding and personnel support from bible belts states and austrailia (from orgs such as Hillsong etc) as well as send missionaries to israel, underground saudi churches, russia, east asia and europe and knowing that very western evangelical crowd intimately i beg to differ that they simply want people to 'frown' upon it.

    as for non practicing im sure you will find a lot of western countries who were christian in the past but are now secular, for example removing christian symbols or acts from schools, public places and secularising holidays like christmas etc. most of them only run because of secular opinion and money. christianity just happened to be the tradition it was based out of.
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    Jan 26, 2012 12:28 AM GMT
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    metta8 saidThe Father of India’s Gay Rights Movement: Supergay Ashok Row Kavi


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    Thanks for posting. That's a fascinating interview.

    Yes, homophobia is a Christian thing, with their lies and intolerance spread across the world.


    What a fucking moron you strive to be --- I can't help but feel a little dumber for having to even point out the obvious fact that Islamic countries and people are far more hostile to gay people to the point of flat out execution without so much as a trial -- do you really think you can say something this colossally asinine and not be called out on it? Reading your posts on here is a sure way for anyone to dramatically reduce common sense.

    India makes some babysteps towards better treatment of gay people and you think this is some amazing progress? Give me a break...countries like India or China are still light years away from embracing the gay community the way that western predominantly christian nations do. The vast majority of all non-western countries and religions are anti-gay.



    First of all dipshit, the primary religions of India are Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism. Secondly the UK didnt decriminalize homosexuality until 1967. It is no way light years away from these other "un-cultured unsophisticated primitive countries". Go walk down street holding hands with ur boyfriend. I bet someone will call you a fag, see how accepting that is.

    Islam / India and China have no relation.

    Try reading wikipedia before going off on your senseless generalized ideals.