Gay withdraw.

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    Jun 21, 2008 11:03 PM GMT
    Ok, so I'm in Moscow, Russia for the next two months and I'm having gay withdraw...if that's possible. I have never really been anywhere that I see absolutely NO out gay men. It is really weird, and though I thought I would do fine with it, I feel so isolated. I tried finding the gay community, but there is no castro, hillcrest, wilton manors, dupont, or sobe! I even tried a gay club with some friends and it turned out be "gay friendly" as opposed to being actually full of gay people. Two lesbian friends of mine even got yelled at for making out there by the staff. Has anyone ever been to Moscow and know where there are actually gay men? I just want to walk the street and know there are gay men around, or drink coffee at a cafe and know that other gays are around, just to know they are there. Has anyone else experienced this in another city?
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    Jun 21, 2008 11:26 PM GMT
    Here are some gay gays in Moscow:

    http://moscow.gaymonkey.com/

    This guy looks cute:
    http://moscow.gaymonkey.com/Connect/member_profiles/member_profile.cfm?username=vladmoscow

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    Today you can communicate with Moscow regional organization of Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals "Tsentr Treugolnik"(Triangle Center)
    "Triangle Center" is a member of ILGA and an Official Partner of European Union Anti-Discrimination Project for Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals ILGA PHARE/TACIS.
    You can call the "Triangle Center" at +7 095 163-8002
    http://www.vmt.com/gayrussia/public.html

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    Moscow

    Night Clubs

    "Shans" ("Chance") Club
    The most popular gay club in Moscow. Very friendly and egalitarian environment. Great decor. Monday to Wednesday only disco-bar is open.Thursday to Sunday - also main dance hall and quiet VIP room with their bars are open. Music: from pop techno and 80's disco in the disco-bar to progressive house and trance in main hall. The zest of the program is "the show in a big fish-tank" - naked youths among huge fish. Prices: among the lowest in Moscow - cover for men 20 to 40 thousand rubles (depending on time), for women - 50 thousand rubles; drinks from 12 thousand rubles.
    Phone: 956-7102
    Address: DK "Serp i Molot", Volochaevskaja Street, 11/15. Directions: metro station "Ploshchad' Il'icha", Radonezhskogo Street towards Cathedral, first right turn to Priamikova Street, and then left on Gzhel'ski Pereulok.

    "Imperia Kino" ("Cinema Imperia")

    Reopened at the old spot (DK Kinoaktiora, Povarskaja Street, 33) but with a new name old "Premiera" ("Opening Night") club. If you need more free space, you want to have a dinner, or you prefer something more strong than alcoholic drinks - don't look any farther. Music: "all in one" - from disco to morning rave. Prices: affordable - from 30 thousand rubles cover; drinks from 15 thousand rubles. The club is open Thursday to Sunday.
    Directions: metro station "Barrikadnaja".
    Phone: 290-4489, fax 290-3725

    "Tri obezjany" (Three monkyes )

    If you are rich and want to spend time among the same - check out "Tri obez'iany". To be be sure to get membership card call 230-7111. Prices are steep - drinks from $4.50.

    Restaurants

    "Teatro"

    The only gay restaurant in Moscow. The proprietors and most of wait-staff are gay. Very steep prices.
    Located in "Metropol" Hotel, Teatral'nyj Proezd, 1/4 (across Bolshoi Theater).
    Phones: 927-6068, 927-6069

    http://www.vmt.com/gayrussia/entert.html

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  • inuman

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    Jun 22, 2008 2:02 AM GMT
    mjime003 saidOk, so I'm in Moscow, Russia for the next two months and I'm having gay withdraw...if that's possible. I have never really been anywhere that I see absolutely NO out gay men. It is really weird, and though I thought I would do fine with it, I feel so isolated. I tried finding the gay community, but there is no castro, hillcrest, wilton manors, dupont, or sobe! I even tried a gay club with some friends and it turned out be "gay friendly" as opposed to being actually full of gay people. Two lesbian friends of mine even got yelled at for making out there by the staff. Has anyone ever been to Moscow and know where there are actually gay men? I just want to walk the street and know there are gay men around, or drink coffee at a cafe and know that other gays are around, just to know they are there. Has anyone else experienced this in another city?



    I know this is going to come off harsh and all but I think I need to say this.

    Why do you feel the need to be around gay people?

    Does it make a difference if your around them or not?

    Do you experience a withdrawal from being gay when your around straight people?

    When around only assumed straight people do you feel the urge to muff dive?


    Okay that being said, way to go caslon for finding those resources for him icon_cool.gif
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    Jun 22, 2008 6:13 AM GMT
    There are gay clubs in Moscow. I've been in a relationship with a Russian, whom still calls Moscow home. he has talked to me about gay clubs there. So they are around. How I long to see your City.
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    Jun 22, 2008 1:49 PM GMT
    Yeah, um, inuman, that did come off harsh and you missed what I'm saying. It's kind of like going abroad and meeting an American in, oh, i don't know, Russia. It's not that you feel less American cause you're around people that aren't, but it's a good feeling to see others that have that commonality, to be near them, to know they are there. People that have similar views, experiences, outlooks, etc.

    It has nothing to do with anything overtly sexual like, "muff diving."

    As for the info, thanks so much Carlson!!! I really appreciate it icon_smile.gif.
  • gymguy81

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    Jun 22, 2008 2:00 PM GMT
    there are a few hotties on here from russia, but i do know the feeling but my problem is gay guys i like and i am atracted to. Im from mass RI area. Lately i just cant find any i like.
  • inuman

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    Jun 22, 2008 4:03 PM GMT
    mjime003 saidYeah, um, inuman, that did come off harsh and you missed what I'm saying. It's kind of like going abroad and meeting an American in, oh, i don't know, Russia. It's not that you feel less American cause you're around people that aren't, but it's a good feeling to see others that have that commonality, to be near them, to know they are there. People that have similar views, experiences, outlooks, etc.

    It has nothing to do with anything overtly sexual like, "muff diving."

    As for the info, thanks so much Carlson!!! I really appreciate it icon_smile.gif.



    Like I said it's going to come off harsh but honestly do you have to be around gay people in order to feel okay? What you mentioned you could find with anyone, they don't have to be gay in order for them to have similar views, experiences, outlooks, etc. unless you're referring to all things gay. Things that only gay people have experienced?

    I don't know maybe it still bugs me that people cling onto being gay like it something major, when really it's a part of their life and not what their life is made up of.icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 22, 2008 4:26 PM GMT
    I live in Indiana, the 'Midwest', and I havent knowingly been in the presance of a gay man since Memoral Day weekend, where I hung out for part of the day with a buddy. I've gotten over the 'withdrawl' part. I've lived in Dupont and the South End in Boston and worked in all the night clubs as well. Now it's just an oddity.

    Real Jock is now my culture.
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    Jun 22, 2008 4:45 PM GMT
    well shucks, if you missed us so bad, you coulda dropped an e-mailicon_wink.gif

    in all seriousness, though, you're getting that normal 'stranger in a strange land' stuff setting in, and once you're there a little longer you'll find out where to go and who's around. while you're figuring that all out, though, staying in touch is a good way to hold off some of that withdrawal.

    Hope you're having a great time overall there, though.
    Take care, bud
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    Jun 22, 2008 5:11 PM GMT
    You know Russia hasn't long gay culture history -

    open gays here - rather absent-minded looking or at least they are not straight acting icon_confused.gif

    I mean if you want a sexy hot MAN - gay clubs in Russia may disappoint you )
    i suggest you'd better try clubs in St.Pete then
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    Jun 22, 2008 5:44 PM GMT
    Well, you may be in Russia but you're not far from Finland right? Just a thought, this week is Helsinki Pride, google it for better info then I can provide.
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    Jun 22, 2008 10:43 PM GMT
    inuman said[quote][cite]mjime003 said[/cite]Ok, so I'm in Moscow, Russia for the next two months and I'm having gay withdraw...if that's possible. I have never really been anywhere that I see absolutely NO out gay men. It is really weird, and though I thought I would do fine with it, I feel so isolated. I tried finding the gay community, but there is no castro, hillcrest, wilton manors, dupont, or sobe! I even tried a gay club with some friends and it turned out be "gay friendly" as opposed to being actually full of gay people. Two lesbian friends of mine even got yelled at for making out there by the staff. Has anyone ever been to Moscow and know where there are actually gay men? I just want to walk the street and know there are gay men around, or drink coffee at a cafe and know that other gays are around, just to know they are there. Has anyone else experienced this in another city?



    I know this is going to come off harsh and all but I think I need to say this.

    Why do you feel the need to be around gay people?

    Does it make a difference if your around them or not?

    Do you experience a withdrawal from being gay when your around straight people?

    When around only assumed straight people do you feel the urge to muff dive?


    Okay that being said, way to go caslon for finding those resources for him icon_cool.gif[/quote]

    As a true blue homosexual. I live and work out in the real world, and not the gay world. This does not make One want to muff dive, and munch on the carpet, as I am 100% homosexual, no matter whom I hang with, or what community I mix with. My str8 mates don't want to suck me off coz they have a homosexual mate, nor do I fall in love with my str8 mates. i do sometimes wish I had of meet a gay guy like them.

    I've worked for the gay community, and seen gay men do some horrific things. So I gave back my gay card, and went to work and live in the real world.

    I also a few years ago. Sang with a gay chorus. I found lots of the guys had issues with hate, and spite, and the fact I was not there to have sexual relations did not help me either. So I withdrew from the gay community again, and now am more than happy to live in the str8 world, and community.

    I live in a very str8 environment and don't see a lot of outwardly homosexuality either. In fact there was a bathhouse here, and overnight once the word got out, it was turned into a pile of rubble, because the str8 community did not want it in their community.

    Now I did feel this was a wee harsh, as it gave the guys a place to go, other than the parks.

    I did not choose my sexuality, but how I dealt with it, and what I do with it is my choice.

    I have two men whom love me deeply, so I need nothing from the gay community at large. Not being a member of the gay community does not make you any less a homosexual. You just are not entangled in all the crap. Homosexuals have every right to withdraw from the gay community, as so much of it is about sex, and not friendship, or reality.

    I also know Russia still is not a safe place to be gay in, and lot of men my age there well know the old days.

    You don't have to agree with what i said,. But I have the right to the point of view I choose to have.

    The gay community wants the right to do what ever they want, and if some one points out, hmmm. They get painted as being homophobic. Like if a str8 guy get upset with a gay guy at gym for going all bugged eyed at him.

    I also point out to the str8 and bi community, all the misery they breed, and if the gay community did the same thing thing of the out cry.

    people have aright to withdraw from the gay community. It does not make them any less homosexual, or wrong.......

    Acceptance the gay community demands, yet I have found it at large to be so unaccepting.

    I am a homosexual out in the real world doing good deeds. Being a positive member of the community I live. These action are transferred to the gay community. Yet I gave back my gay card. I did not choose to be homosexual.
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    Jun 22, 2008 11:03 PM GMT
    Haha, thanks novembermike, you asked for it. I'll be emailing you soon!

    As for the Finland bit, I wish I could, but my visa is single entry, so if I leave this country, I can't get back in! Blah. I do plan on going to St. Pete at some point though. I wish I could go further, but I think that's gonna be all on this trip. Probably won't get a chance to hit up many clubs while I'm there, not with so many museums and things to see!

    Gymguy81, I know how that can feel too, but now i realize, at least I had choices! haha. I hear you though, the choice can be crappy too. At least it's easier to be open without fearing ramifications in major cities at home. Tonight I was hanging out with some guards at the school and they kept asking me how I liked the girls in Russia. I was just like, "eh, ni znaio, etix ni ploxa" which means, "eh, I don't know, they're not bad"...or at least I'm pretty sure that's what it meant! There was no way I was telling them I was gay, ha!

    As for you inuman! haha, you do realize you're on a GAY fitness website, right? I understand where you are coming from with the whole, being gay is just a part of you and not something that defines you. I remember the first time I came out to a friend I spent a good half hour on that bit. The fact that we can be fired in the majority of the states in the US simply for being gay, the fact that we can't serve in the armed forces openly, and the fact that we are not allowed to marry have made me realize something. Being gay defines us, well, at least me, far more than it theoretically should. It bothered me too at one stage to see people that appeared to be consumed by or exuding and reveling in being gay 24/7/365, but it's a lot more clear to me now. That being said, keep the harshness coming, I won't run out of things to say, haha.

    Thanks for all your comments, and thank goodness for the internet and realjock!
  • inuman

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    Jun 23, 2008 12:47 AM GMT
    mjime003 saidAs for you inuman! haha, you do realize you're on a GAY fitness website, right? I understand where you are coming from with the whole, being gay is just a part of you and not something that defines you. I remember the first time I came out to a friend I spent a good half hour on that bit. The fact that we can be fired in the majority of the states in the US simply for being gay, the fact that we can't serve in the armed forces openly, and the fact that we are not allowed to marry have made me realize something. Being gay defines us, well, at least me, far more than it theoretically should. It bothered me too at one stage to see people that appeared to be consumed by or exuding and reveling in being gay 24/7/365, but it's a lot more clear to me now. That being said, keep the harshness coming, I won't run out of things to say, haha.

    Thanks for all your comments, and thank goodness for the internet and realjock!



    I know what site I'm on, it's why I joined. I wasn't trying to be harsh, I was wondering why you felt the need to be near and or around gay people. I see why now and thanks for the clarification.

    I'm around both and I don't think it defines me or the way I act. I live in a location where it's not exactly a smart thing to be out, you can get bashed and the like around these parts. Fired from a job, no cause well as much as they would love to and trust me I've seen and heard people who use the "I won't hire a gay person cause of ......" I've also seen many a gay people/couples run out of town in fear for their very lives.

    I think that at this stage, in the evolution of gay rights and freedoms, we shouldn't have to push it on every single thing in the world, I know that what we as a society went through was extreme and harsh and uncalled for, what a lot of gay people went through to get us at the point of where we are today and I know we still have a long ways to go until we are all equal on this Earth. I just think you shouldn't have to feel the need to be around only gay people, that it shouldn't matter if your around gay or straight people to feel accepted, maybe it's just the way I see it.

    I still have my gay card and when asked I show it lol

    Anyways I hope you enjoy the summer there. I'm sure you'll have a grand time icon_cool.gif Once again I wasn't trying to be harsh, it just seemed that way. I was curious about your gay withdrawal.