WHAT HAS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DONE TO ADVANCE GAY RIGHTS?

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    Jan 14, 2012 2:56 PM GMT
    What has the GOP done to advance gay rights?

    (FYI "as much as democrats" and "next question" is not an answer)
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 14, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    What have the democrats done for gay rights other than taking forever to muster up the courage to repeal DADT. Other than that, the democrats have been making empty campaign promises and than dragging their feet and pandering to all those narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. So the democrats are not all that much better than the republicans.
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    Jan 14, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWhat have the democrats done for gay rights other than taking forever to muster up the courage to repeal DADT. Other than that, the democrats have been making empty campaign promises and than dragging their feet and pandering to all those narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. So the democrats are not all that much better than the republicans.


    There is a tendency of gay republicans to avoid this topic by dismissing any accomplishments the dems have made. That is why i made this thread specific to the Republican party only. Please answer the question with specific examples of republican advances regarding gay rights. And answering a question with another question isnt an acceptable answer.
  • nanidesukedo

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    Jan 14, 2012 4:53 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWhat have the democrats done for gay rights other than taking forever to muster up the courage to repeal DADT. Other than that, the democrats have been making empty campaign promises and than dragging their feet and pandering to all those narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. So the democrats are not all that much better than the republicans.



    Here has what's been done under the Obama Administration...Stop the BS and spouting of non-sense by saying that the Republicans are doing anywhere near as much as the democrats are to try to achieve our equal rights. If you ever look at any attacks on the rights of gay individuals, it is 95%+ of the time coming from the right wing conservatives who are pandering to their evangelical members...and that's the truth


    Any attempt of any republican or conservative person to even try to deny that the democrats have done more and are trying to do more for the rights of homosexuals, overall, is either A. Attempting to deceive others or B. Attempting to deceive themselves to help ease any uncomfortable cognitive dissonance that exist in their head that they are voting for an individual that would prefer them to be second class citizens.

    Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act (The first federal civil rights law to protect gays and lesbians)
    He instructed all federal agencies to extend benefits where possible to civilian federal employees with same-sex partners.
    He issued two Presidential Memoranda (in June 2009 and June 2010) directing federal agencies to extend whatever benefits they could, under existing authority, to the same-sex partners of federal employees. These include sick and funeral leave, long-term care insurance, travel and relocation assistance, child care subsidies, and certain retirement benefits. The State Department extended numerous benefits to the partners of Foreign Service officers, including diplomatic passports, access to overseas medical and training facilities, inclusion in housing allocations, and access to emergency evacuation.
    He ended the ban on HIV-positive immigrants and foreign visitors.
    The federal Prison Rape Elimination Commission proposed national standards to reduce sexual abuse in correctional facilities, including standards regarding LGBT and intersex inmates. In early 2011, the Justice Department proposed regulations to implement those standards.
    The State Department reversed a Bush Administration policy that refused to use a same-sex marriage license as evidence of a name change for passports.
    Health and Human Services (HHS) Advisory Committee on Blood Safety and Availability reviewed the lifetime ban on blood donation by gay and bisexual men, concluded that it is a “sub-optimal” policy that screens out low risk donors and called on HHS to conduct research to support a move to a policy based on risk behavior, regardless of sexual orientation.
    The Department of Justice issued an opinion clarifying that the criminal provisions of the Violence Against Women Act related to stalking and abuse apply equally to same-sex partners.
    The Department of State revised the standards for changing a gender marker on a passport, making the process less burdensome for transgender people.
    The Department of Labor issued guidance clarifying that an employee can take time off under the Family and Medical Leave Act to care for a same-sex partner’s child, even where the partner does not have a legal or biological relationship to that child.
    HHS revised its funding guidance around abstinence-only-until-marriage sex education programs, requiring that recipient programs are inclusive of and non-stigmatizing toward LGBT youth, and mandating that they include only medically-accurate information.
    HHS awarded a $900,000 grant for the creation of a national resource center on LGBT aging issues to Services & Advocacy for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender Elders (SAGE). HHS also awarded a $13.3 million grant to the L.A. Gay and Lesbian Center to create a model program supporting LGBT and questioning youth in the foster care system.
    At the request of HHS, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) issued a lengthy report in March 2011 detailing the range of areas in which more research is needed on LGBT health needs.
    In March 2011, HHS sent a number of recommendations to the White House for policy and regulatory changes that HHS could undertake to improve the health of LGBT people, including: collection of LGBT health data, guidance for states on including LGBT families in federal welfare programs, and guidance for states on protecting the financial resources of a same-sex partner when his or her partner enters long-term care under Medicaid.
    He announced new regulations through The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) that recognize LGBT families for federal housing programs and prohibit discrimination in getting federally insured mortgage loans.
    The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) added gender identity to the equal employment opportunity policy governing all federal jobs.
    He appointed more than 100 openly gay people in his administration, some of which include the government’s top personnel official and the head of the Council for Environmental Quality.
    He issued Presidential Memorandum in April 2010 directing HHS to issue regulations requiring all hospitals receiving Medicaid and Medicare to prohibit discrimination in visitation against LGBT people. HHS issued regulations that went into effect in 2011.
    He awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to gay icons Billie Jean King and Harvey Milk.
    He hosted a White House summit on bullying and recorded a video message telling young LGBT individuals that “It Gets Better.”
    He ordered the data to be released of legally married gay couples from the 2010 census, granting legitimacy of same-sex relationships.
    HHS rescinded provisions of a Bush-era rule which allowed health care providers to refuse to provide any health care service or information for a religious or moral reason.
    He championed the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”, a 17-year-old ban barring LGBT individuals the right to serve openly in the military.
    He wants Congress to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which will prohibit employers from considering sexual orientation in hiring and firing decisions. This legislation however, is currently stalled in the Senate.
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    Jan 14, 2012 4:59 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWhat have the democrats done for gay rights other than taking forever to muster up the courage to repeal DADT. Other than that, the democrats have been making empty campaign promises and than dragging their feet and pandering to all those narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. So the democrats are not all that much better than the republicans.


    You live in New York, I would think you're well aware of what Democrats have done for gay rights recently with the passage of a bill that permits same-sex marriage.

    The state Senate vote was 33-29.

    Of those who supported, 29 Democrats and 4 Republicans
    Of those who opposed, 1 Democrat and 28 Republicans
  • DR2K

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    Jan 14, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    They've been the backbone for the gay escort services. Without them a lot of escorts would be out of a job.

    Absolutely nothing would be the answer, in fact they would do everything in their power to take more gay rights away.
  • nanidesukedo

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    Jan 14, 2012 6:03 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    nanidesukedo saidHere has what's been done under the Obama Administration...

    --- and then a copy and paste list of things that only apply to Federal government employees, foreigners and a bunch of meaningless "anti-bullying Acts" that do absolutely nothing to actually stop bullying ----





    In other words, what RoadbikeRob said is correct.



    Wow, so, way to minimize anything that's considered progress without actually arguing what your silly party has done to advance your rights...Oh, wait, that's right...they sign little sheets of paper that basically condemn us and say they will send us back to the dark ages if they become president.
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    Jan 14, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWhat have the democrats done for gay rights other than taking forever to muster up the courage to repeal DADT. Other than that, the democrats have been making empty campaign promises and than dragging their feet and pandering to all those narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. So the democrats are not all that much better than the republicans.


    What a crock. When the Democrats make even a timid move to advance gay rights, Republicans attack by flooding mailboxes with anti-gay flyers like that shown below.

    RNC%20anti%20gay%20flyer.jpg


    You don't need a MENSA membership to figure why hatred toward Republicans is so common (and justified) within the GLBTQ community at large.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 14, 2012 6:14 PM GMT
    What I said is not a crock, its the truth. Granted the evangelical, right wing of the GOP started sending out all kinds of idiotic flyers through the mail with their paranoid doomsday scenarios. That is still not a legitimate reason for the democrats being as slow and hypocritical on GLBT equality as they have previously been. If the democrats had some guts and stop playing nice guys with these narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs, they would have earned a lot more respect. Instead they got scared shitless and ended up pandering to the Jesus freaks.
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    Jan 14, 2012 6:24 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    nanidesukedo saidHere has what's been done under the Obama Administration...

    --- and then a copy and paste list of things that only apply to Federal government employees, foreigners and a bunch of meaningless "anti-bullying Acts" that do absolutely nothing to actually stop bullying ----





    In other words, what RoadbikeRob said is correct.



    Obama extended hospital visitation rights, and those don't apply to just federal government employees.

    If you look at the state level, the advances for gays have been as a result of Democrats.
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    Jan 14, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWhat I said is not a crock, its the truth. Granted the evangelical, right wing of the GOP started sending out all kinds of idiotic flyers through the mail with their paranoid doomsday scenarios. That is still not a legitimate reason for the democrats being as slow and hypocritical on GLBT equality as they have previously been. If the democrats had some guts and stop playing nice guys with these narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs, they would have earned a lot more respect. Instead they got scared shitless and ended up pandering to the Jesus freaks.


    Those "bible thumping screwballs" make up 75% of Republican party voters. They're not anti-gay because the Democrats are too weak...they're anti-gay because the Republicans and their Right Wing Noise Machine stirs up and spreads hate and fear with "studies" from Right Wing Psychologists and religious groups with "proof" that...

    homosexuals = pedophiles.
    homosexuals = spread AIDS and STDs.
    homosexuals = mentally ill and sick.
    homosexuals = recruit children.
    homosexuals = get special rights from the Democrats.
    homosexuals = choose their death style.
    homosexuals = force their death style down throats of normal people.
    homosexuals = join the military to convert soldiers to homosexuality.
    homosexuals = Democrats support the radical homosexual agenda for America.
    homosexuals = use Democrats to subvert our laws and ruin traditional marriage.
    homosexuals = sin against God to where He will destroy America, like he did Sodom and Gomorrah.

    This is not produced by "bible thumping screwballs" but by the Republican Party and their Right Wing Noise Machine.
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    Jan 14, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    The GOP in congress has assembled a legal team to defend DOMA in court.

    Millions of dollars spent to deny rights to tens of thousands of LGBT persons while employing a dozen lawyers.
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    Jan 14, 2012 6:48 PM GMT
    intentsman saidThe GOP in congress has assembled a legal team to defend DOMA in court.

    Millions of dollars spent to deny rights to tens of thousands of LGBT persons while employing a dozen lawyers.


    Yes, over $500 million of TAXPAYER DOLLARS the REPUBLICANS are spending to DEFEND DOMA.
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    roadbikeRob saidWhat have the democrats done for gay rights other than taking forever to muster up the courage to repeal DADT. Other than that, the democrats have been making empty campaign promises and than dragging their feet and pandering to all those narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. So the democrats are not all that much better than the republicans.


    You live in New York, I would think you're well aware of what Democrats have done for gay rights recently with the passage of a bill that permits same-sex marriage.

    The state Senate vote was 33-29.

    Of those who supported, 29 Democrats and 4 Republicans
    Of those who opposed, 1 Democrat and 28 Republicans
    And of those 4 republicans.. ALL 4 are being targeted for removal from office . And by whom you ask? The GOP itself.
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    Jan 14, 2012 7:45 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWhat have the democrats done for gay rights other than taking forever to muster up the courage to repeal DADT. Other than that, the democrats have been making empty campaign promises and than dragging their feet and pandering to all those narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. So the democrats are not all that much better than the republicans.


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    roadbikeRob saidWhat have the democrats done for gay rights other than taking forever to muster up the courage to repeal DADT. Other than that, the democrats have been making empty campaign promises and than dragging their feet and pandering to all those narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. So the democrats are not all that much better than the republicans.


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    I love gutless wonders who cant show their faces.......
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    Jan 16, 2012 5:03 PM GMT
    So bottom line: Repubs have done nothing to advance gay rights. In fact, they have actively worked against the LGBT community to take away our rights.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 16, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    Even when a list is presented to you in black and whatever you STILL try to say that democrats haven't done anything to improve gay rights

    You are laughable at BEST
    Mentally ill .... More than likely

    There has NOT been a piece of pro gay legislation in this country that has not been pushed through...... A barrage of republican ploys to stop it

    Oh ...... Goodness
    I forgot ....... I'm wrong
    Mitt Romney was power in Mass when they tried to get gay marriage there
    .......
    Ya THINK that might be in his stump speech when he goes campaigning ?

    Pigs will fly out of your perspective asses before THAT happens

    So just skip this one.... Trying to defend the republican party on gay rights ?
    Is like the skinheads throwing a Bar Mitzvah.
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    Jan 16, 2012 5:42 PM GMT
    GQjock said

    So just skip this one.... Trying to defend the republican party on gay rights ?
    Is like the skinheads throwing a Bar Mitzvah.



    Perhaps that may be true. Regardless, "Gay Rights" are important to a very small percentage of Americans. You're kind of kidding yourself if you think a politicians stance in favor of anything gay is going to be a game-changer or deciding factor in any major national election. "The Big Picture" brings "gay rights" way down the totem pole of important issues to the vast majority of American voters. That's just reality.
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    Jan 16, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidWhat I said is not a crock, its the truth. Granted the evangelical, right wing of the GOP started sending out all kinds of idiotic flyers through the mail with their paranoid doomsday scenarios. That is still not a legitimate reason for the democrats being as slow and hypocritical on GLBT equality as they have previously been. If the democrats had some guts and stop playing nice guys with these narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs, they would have earned a lot more respect. Instead they got scared shitless and ended up pandering to the Jesus freaks.



    I don't think the Democrats got scared at all. They never intended to "give" gays "gay marriage" at all.

    Think about it. If they did, then they lose one of their best "campaign promises" to get the gays to continue to vote for them.

    As I've asked here before:

    What is worse? A Democrat party that promises gays "gay marriage" and then, when they have complete control of the Federal government for 2 years does nothing about it, or a party that says they don't support "gay marriage?"


    In what parallel universe did the Democratic Party promise gay marriage?
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    Jan 16, 2012 6:09 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidWhat I said is not a crock, its the truth. Granted the evangelical, right wing of the GOP started sending out all kinds of idiotic flyers through the mail with their paranoid doomsday scenarios. That is still not a legitimate reason for the democrats being as slow and hypocritical on GLBT equality as they have previously been. If the democrats had some guts and stop playing nice guys with these narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs, they would have earned a lot more respect. Instead they got scared shitless and ended up pandering to the Jesus freaks.



    I don't think the Democrats got scared at all. They never intended to "give" gays "gay marriage" at all.

    Think about it. If they did, then they lose one of their best "campaign promises" to get the gays to continue to vote for them.

    As I've asked here before:

    What is worse? A Democrat party that promises gays "gay marriage" and then, when they have complete control of the Federal government for 2 years does nothing about it, or a party that says they don't support "gay marriage?"


    In what parallel universe did the Democratic Party promise gay marriage?


    Ummm.... What exactly do they mean by "gay rights" and "equality" then?


    You're confusing an aspirational statement of philosophy with a promise to enact legislation or laws. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 16, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    You're confusing an aspirational statement of philosophy with a promise to enact legislation or laws. icon_rolleyes.gif


    You're not looking at reality. If someone were asked what "gay rights" that "the gays" are pressing for, it means "gay marriage."

    And the Democrats do a masterful job of convincing "the gays" election after election that they are with "the gays" in supporting the "gay cause" which is Federal recognition of "gay marriage" (for those Democrats running for Federal office).



    No. I'm actually looking really clearly at reality. You're the one who is trying to define the stance of a political party that you loathe through an intellectual leap and purposeful misinformation.
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    Jan 16, 2012 6:19 PM GMT
    Christian73 said

    No. I'm actually looking really clearly at reality. You're the one who is trying to define the stance of a political party that you loathe through an intellectual leap and purposeful misinformation.



    I have to agree with SB here. If the Democrats were so all about gay rights, they had the chance to make the important decisions and votes to change. They did not. So what good is their words, without their actions. It's easy to criticize the Republicans, but the Dems are no better really if they can't move the mountains needed when they have the power to do so.
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    Christian73 said

    No. I'm actually looking really clearly at reality. You're the one who is trying to define the stance of a political party that you loathe through an intellectual leap and purposeful misinformation.



    I have to agree with SB here. If the Democrats were so all about gay rights, they had the chance to make the important decisions and votes to change. They did not. So what good is their words, without their actions. It's easy to criticize the Republicans, but the Dems are no better really if they can't move the mountains needed when they have the power to do so.


    You only have so much political capital. HCR and repealing DADT took most of it. Need 2nd term for Obama to enact gay marriage.
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    Jan 16, 2012 6:32 PM GMT
    The Repubs are controlled by the hate filled activist religious right who advocate an activist anti-gay agenda.

    Everybody knows that.

    And like all the major 2012 Repub nomination candidates - Mitt Romneycare signed a pledge vowing to work to AMEND THE CONSTITUTION to make gay marriage illegal NATIONWIDE.
    All the states that currently provide equal marriage rights to gay Americans would be forced to stop allowing gay couples to get married!

    There's a CLEAR difference between the stance Obama advocates on gay marriage and the stance that Romney advocates.

    Obama's stance would allow states to make gay marriage legal.

    Romney's stance would make gay marriage illegal NATIONWIDE - FOREVER by taking the drastic step of amending the Constitution to make gay Americans permanent second class citizens.