Married gay man faces deportation, after 22 years in the USA, and 4 children

  • metta

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    Jan 15, 2012 8:56 AM GMT

    Married gay man faces deportation

    http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t1#/video/us/2012/01/14/pkg-candiotti-gay-man-faces-deportation.cnn


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    Jan 15, 2012 2:27 PM GMT
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    That really sucks. They should move up to Canada icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 15, 2012 3:03 PM GMT
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    That really sucks. They should move up to Canada icon_smile.gif


    Not in the Harper government.
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    Jan 15, 2012 3:05 PM GMT
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    That really sucks. They should move up to Canada icon_smile.gif


    Or the UK.. a case like this would cause public outcry and Government intervention.
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    Jan 15, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
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    Or the UK.. a case like this would cause public outcry and Government intervention.



    The thing is that this is more than just a relocation thing. When you have spent 22 years of your life, building a family and career then it is not just a matter of location, it is a matter of life.
  • unjaded

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    Jan 15, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
    question : in all of the 22 yrs why didnt this idiot apply for citizenship in the USA . he had time to update his visa and fill out that paperwork . if he loves America so much and his man , why didnt he want to be an American citizen. seems like half the story is being left out . he only has himself to blame for the predicament he is in today whats the whole story ? if they are in love then they can move France , right ? if he got his citizenship this issue wouldnt be happening . to the American husband , you dont have to leave your country . have your husband become a citizen . these two seem to NOT understand that part . this leaves me to believe something else is going on with Frenchie ! looks as if they just want to be defient and not follow the rule of law . GO AHEAD AND HATE ON ME IF YOU WANT . THE LOGICAL QUESTION IS WHY ISNT THIS FRENCHIE WILLING TO BE A U S CITIZEN AND NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES .
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    Jan 15, 2012 8:20 PM GMT

    Unjaded- I get your point but there could be other factors at play here.

    Some visa classes in the US but be for only two years and do not acculumate.

    He could have spent the last 22 years on 11 , 2 year visas. There might also be a clause that states he can not transfer into another visa class as well.

    I am suprised that they could adopt 4 children!!!!

    How did that happen?
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    Jan 15, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    unjaded saidquestion : in all of the 22 yrs why didnt this idiot apply for citizenship in the USA . he had time to update his visa and fill out that paperwork . if he loves America so much and his man , why didnt he want to be an American citizen. seems like half the story is being left out . he only has himself to blame for the predicament he is in today whats the whole story ? if they are in love then they can move France , right ? if he got his citizenship this issue wouldnt be happening . to the American husband , you dont have to leave your country . have your husband become a citizen . these two seem to NOT understand that part . this leaves me to believe something else is going on with Frenchie ! looks as if they just want to be defient and not follow the rule of law . GO AHEAD AND HATE ON ME IF YOU WANT . THE LOGICAL QUESTION IS WHY ISNT THIS FRENCHIE WILLING TO BE A U S CITIZEN AND NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES .


    It's a valid question. I was sort of wondering the same thing. While it is sad in a way you have to ask yourself..they got married knowing full well the US Fed did not recognize their marriage, the uncertainty of him not getting his visa renewed was always there, then they went ahead and adopted kids anyways ?

    You could almost say they are using those kids as pawns (anchor babies is another term)
  • metta

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    Jan 15, 2012 10:07 PM GMT
    it is not that easy to become an American citizen. I have a friend that has been here legally since he was 13. He is now in his 30's and he has been trying to get his citizenship during that entire time. Delay after day for whatever reason they can think of. Constantly changing the rules. He continues to stay here on a student visa while he works on getting his citizenship. But it also means that he has to pay foreign fees as a student.
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    Jan 16, 2012 12:36 AM GMT
    unjaded saidquestion : in all of the 22 yrs why didnt this idiot apply for citizenship in the USA . he had time to update his visa and fill out that paperwork . if he loves America so much and his man , why didnt he want to be an American citizen. seems like half the story is being left out . he only has himself to blame for the predicament he is in today whats the whole story ? if they are in love then they can move France , right ? if he got his citizenship this issue wouldnt be happening . to the American husband , you dont have to leave your country . have your husband become a citizen . these two seem to NOT understand that part . this leaves me to believe something else is going on with Frenchie ! looks as if they just want to be defient and not follow the rule of law . GO AHEAD AND HATE ON ME IF YOU WANT . THE LOGICAL QUESTION IS WHY ISNT THIS FRENCHIE WILLING TO BE A U S CITIZEN AND NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES .


    I'm with this guy, i got no sympathy for him or his family. you only have to be in the country for 4 years before you can apply for your citizenship. Not only that but they'll give you the answers for the test so all you have to do is study. (http://www.uscis.gov)
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    Jan 16, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
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    unjaded saidquestion : in all of the 22 yrs why didnt this idiot apply for citizenship in the USA . he had time to update his visa and fill out that paperwork . if he loves America so much and his man , why didnt he want to be an American citizen. seems like half the story is being left out . he only has himself to blame for the predicament he is in today whats the whole story ? if they are in love then they can move France , right ? if he got his citizenship this issue wouldnt be happening . to the American husband , you dont have to leave your country . have your husband become a citizen . these two seem to NOT understand that part . this leaves me to believe something else is going on with Frenchie ! looks as if they just want to be defient and not follow the rule of law . GO AHEAD AND HATE ON ME IF YOU WANT . THE LOGICAL QUESTION IS WHY ISNT THIS FRENCHIE WILLING TO BE A U S CITIZEN AND NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES .


    I'm with this guy, i got no sympathy for him or his family. you only have to be in the country for 4 years before you can apply for your citizenship. Not only that but they'll give you the answers for the test so all you have to do is study. (http://www.uscis.gov)

    Just to throw some facts into the discussion. You have to be a permanent resident to apply for citizenship. aka have a green-card. I've been in the US for over 12 years, only on one work-visa after another, so I'm not a permanent resident, thus can't apply for citizen-ship. My company doesn't sponsor for green-cards and that is my only chance to get one.
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    Jan 16, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
    He can file for asylum..case closed.
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    Jan 16, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
    metta8 saidit is not that easy to become an American citizen. I have a friend that has been here legally since he was 13. He is now in his 30's and he has been trying to get his citizenship during that entire time. Delay after day for whatever reason they can think of. Constantly changing the rules. He continues to stay here on a student visa while he works on getting his citizenship. But it also means that he has to pay foreign fees as a student.



    i dont get it...what does having a student visa have to do with u.s citizenship? Like the two dont connect. If he is currently on a student visa then he has no path to file for citizenship unless he got married to a female or..he has a family member that has filed an I-130 petition for him. You cannot file for citizenship if your here on a student visa. the two paths just dont connect. To stay here legally, he must get married, a family member file an I-130 petition, work for a company that will issue a H-1B visa or file for asylum.
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    Jan 16, 2012 2:34 AM GMT
    In the story it says last year Homeland Security gave immigration officials the power to stay deportations in cases like this. He and his husband have done what they need to do- brought it to the attention of the media. I think he will probably not be deported.
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    Jan 16, 2012 7:33 AM GMT
    Millions of illegal Mexicans but no no let's focus on the gays and kick them out.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jan 16, 2012 7:40 AM GMT
    wait til mario Lopez reads this.. hahahaha
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    Jan 16, 2012 8:45 AM GMT
    unjaded saidquestion : in all of the 22 yrs why didnt this idiot apply for citizenship in the USA . he had time to update his visa and fill out that paperwork . if he loves America so much and his man , why didnt he want to be an American citizen. seems like half the story is being left out . he only has himself to blame for the predicament he is in today whats the whole story ? if they are in love then they can move France , right ? if he got his citizenship this issue wouldnt be happening . to the American husband , you dont have to leave your country . have your husband become a citizen . these two seem to NOT understand that part . this leaves me to believe something else is going on with Frenchie ! looks as if they just want to be defient and not follow the rule of law . GO AHEAD AND HATE ON ME IF YOU WANT . THE LOGICAL QUESTION IS WHY ISNT THIS FRENCHIE WILLING TO BE A U S CITIZEN AND NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES .



    What an incredibly stupid, uneducated thing to say.

    This idiot obviously doesn't know a thing about US immigration law. Someone please educate it immediately.
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    Jan 17, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
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    Just to throw some facts into the discussion. You have to be a permanent resident to apply for citizenship. aka have a green-card. I've been in the US for over 12 years, only on one work-visa after another, so I'm not a permanent resident, thus can't apply for citizen-ship. My company doesn't sponsor for green-cards and that is my only chance to get one.



    Well, at least you're one of the lucky ones to be granted a work visa. Our company has been trying to hire a guy from Europe for over a year now. After the interview, they told him that "someone else was handling his case" and he had to go back for a second interview with another visa officer. Since then, he's been in "Administrative Processing" over at the U.S. embassy in Norway for 11 months already.

    I'm sorry that you can't get your company to sponsor the green card. You're likely running out of time in terms of how many more renewals they'll give you. What are you here on, not H-1B, is it?
    I wasn't complaining, I know how lucky I am, to be here at all with my man. I started out on an H1-B, but they are only good for up to 6 years, since last year I'm on my second E1 visa, good for 5 years. E1 is an Investor's visa, which works for me since my company is German, but we have 60,000+ employees in the US.
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    Jan 17, 2012 12:34 AM GMT
    unjaded saidquestion : in all of the 22 yrs why didnt this idiot apply for citizenship in the USA . he had time to update his visa and fill out that paperwork . if he loves America so much and his man , why didnt he want to be an American citizen. seems like half the story is being left out . he only has himself to blame for the predicament he is in today whats the whole story ? .


    I have to agree. What an idiot. He had 22 years to do it right and gain citizenship. It's a very sad and unfortunate predicament, but the guy put himself there. People become citizens of the U.S. every day. No, it's not easy, but it can be done. This guy had 22 years. They probably had no business having kids before they had that technicality of "citizenship" worked out.
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    Jan 17, 2012 12:58 AM GMT
    It is extremely hard to get the immigration, let alone citizenship. US has extremely tough laws on citizenship. I know one person here in Canada who lived in US for nearly 15 years and yet couldn't get his permanent residency.
    A lot of people move to Canada after they are unable to get immigration to US.


    Therefore, before making such judgements about he is an idiot think carefully.
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    Jan 17, 2012 12:58 AM GMT
    The legal process of obtaining citizenship can be very long and very expensive, when your relationship is not recognized, and I speak from experience. This is not an issue if your marriage is recognized by the Fed. There's lot of money being made and more to be made in the illegal marriage market, but not by gay people.
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    Jan 17, 2012 1:38 AM GMT
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    unjaded saidquestion : in all of the 22 yrs why didnt this idiot apply for citizenship in the USA . he had time to update his visa and fill out that paperwork . if he loves America so much and his man , why didnt he want to be an American citizen. seems like half the story is being left out . he only has himself to blame for the predicament he is in today whats the whole story ? .


    I have to agree. What an idiot. He had 22 years to do it right and gain citizenship. It's a very sad and unfortunate predicament, but the guy put himself there. People become citizens of the U.S. every day. No, it's not easy, but it can be done. This guy had 22 years. They probably had no business having kids before they had that technicality of "citizenship" worked out.
    As mentioned above, without permanent residency (green-card) no application for citizenship. The "idiot's" last visa expired in September, meaning he never had a green-card.
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    Jan 17, 2012 1:43 AM GMT
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    unjaded saidquestion : in all of the 22 yrs why didnt this idiot apply for citizenship in the USA . he had time to update his visa and fill out that paperwork . if he loves America so much and his man , why didnt he want to be an American citizen. seems like half the story is being left out . he only has himself to blame for the predicament he is in today whats the whole story ? .


    I have to agree. What an idiot. He had 22 years to do it right and gain citizenship. It's a very sad and unfortunate predicament, but the guy put himself there. People become citizens of the U.S. every day. No, it's not easy, but it can be done. This guy had 22 years. They probably had no business having kids before they had that technicality of "citizenship" worked out.
    As mentioned above, without permanent residency (green-card) no application for citizenship. The "idiot's" last visa expired in September, meaning he never had a green-card.



    Didn't mean to come off as insensitive to the man's plight. But he did have 22 years to work it out, and it was a bit "Cart Before The Horse" to be having kids prior to this all being taken care of, as surely he was not naive to the consequences of him not obtaining citizenship through the proper channels.
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    unjaded saidquestion : in all of the 22 yrs why didnt this idiot apply for citizenship in the USA . he had time to update his visa and fill out that paperwork . if he loves America so much and his man , why didnt he want to be an American citizen. seems like half the story is being left out . he only has himself to blame for the predicament he is in today whats the whole story ? .


    I have to agree. What an idiot. He had 22 years to do it right and gain citizenship. It's a very sad and unfortunate predicament, but the guy put himself there. People become citizens of the U.S. every day. No, it's not easy, but it can be done. This guy had 22 years. They probably had no business having kids before they had that technicality of "citizenship" worked out.
    As mentioned above, without permanent residency (green-card) no application for citizenship. The "idiot's" last visa expired in September, meaning he never had a green-card.



    Didn't mean to come off as insensitive to the man's plight. But he did have 22 years to work it out, and it was a bit "Cart Before The Horse" to be having kids prior to this all being taken care of, as surely he was not naive to the consequences of him not obtaining citizenship through the proper channels.


    I agree with the kid's part but obtaining citizenship can take a lot of time. Much longer than you can realize.
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    Jan 17, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    So much ignorance regarding US immigration laws here, so many people who "just don't understand" why the man couldn't get citizenship.

    Only people who went through it, or are close to someone who went through the process know what it is like.

    It's not easy, stop judging people. Do you really think this man wants to be deported? Do you think he wouldn't become a citizen if he had a choice to?

    People who are born here seem to think it is as easy as snapping your fingers and maybe filling a few forms.