Can slim guys do shoulder presses ok? Its my least fave exercise - I HATE IT!

  • suedeheadscot

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    Jan 15, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
    **apologies if there's been a thread on this before, I couldn't find it**

    My weakpoint at the gym is doing shoulder exercises. For yonks I can never get the 12kg weight (thats 2 x 12kg dumbells on each side). I've chatted to my gym instructor about this and he said its because I'm fairly slim.

    Any other slim guys that work out able to do more? I have to confess I really, really cannot stand this one exercise and I'm still mystified if it does any good at all. I will still do them as part of a set as I like to feel that I am working out on all parts of my body but if I could skip this one, I would!

    Side raises are another one I cannae abide.
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    Jan 15, 2012 9:47 PM GMT
    if you do them you will die instantly. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    Just shut the fuck up and train, dammit! icon_mad.gif

    Yeah, I should be a PT. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidJust shut the fuck up and train, dammit! icon_mad.gif

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    Jan 15, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    I do shoulder presses twice a week... and I'm slimmer than you are. I believe I'm up to 30-35 pound dumbbells.

    Suck it up!
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:11 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidJust shut the fuck up and train, dammit! icon_mad.gif

    Yeah, I should be a PT. icon_biggrin.gif


    As a PT,... I would like to gently and respectfully agree with Brother PaulFlexes, but without the cursing...

    Everyone... EVERYONE .... E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E... has a biomechanical disadvantage for some lift. I could squat really heavy and due to short arms I had a great bench and overhead press.... but I cannot deadlift my way out of a papersack. It isn't a strength issue as much as a biomechanical disadvantage due to short arms and legs.

    Did I stop deadlifting.... NO.... did I win awards deadlifting, NO.... but I got stronger hips from it and it helped all of my other lifts.

    You will suck at shoulder presses.... until you get better at it.

    My personal training/powerlifter/strongman trainees hear it every day, but it is the mantra to follow:

    Train What You are Bad At Doing

    If you constantly focus on your weak points... ALL of your physique and bodyparts will balance and come up evenly.

    Rock it, OP!!
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    On a related point...

    I know an arch when bench pressing is a no-no.

    But I see guys shoulder pressing at the gym with their shoulders touching the bench but their middle backs in a huge arch and a foot from the bench. Usually pushing a lot of weight into the air.

    What's the correct form

    Back tight against the bench?
    Is a little arch okay?
    I get the feeling that huge arch can't be good?
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:28 PM GMT
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:42 PM GMT
    Adam228 is exactamundo correct...


    It is correct to have an arch in your back but your shoulders and your butt should be touching the bench at all time... AT ALL TIMES.

    And while I know I will get flamed by this, but the whole, "Put my feet on the bench to prevent my back from helping" form is popular... its stupid. Sorry... just needed to have a judgemental moment.
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:44 PM GMT
    But when shoulder pressing...
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:48 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidBut when shoulder pressing...


    Minimize the arch.
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:52 PM GMT
    On seated shoulder press? Upper back and Butt against the seat. You can arch, but do not move your butt from the back rest of the seat.

    Personally, I prefer to do seated shoulder presses without a back support... like get into the squat rack/cage or a smith machine with just a bench. It makes you stabilize more. Also, with a back support, people will cheat and make it into a super incline bench by skooting too far forward with their hips.
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:53 PM GMT
    I'm slender (135 lbs) and can do shoulder presses with 45lb-dumbells on each hand. I want to go heavier, but my shoulder has been sore for weeks now.
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    Jan 15, 2012 11:59 PM GMT
    Well barbell I do standing...

    but you can't quite do dumbell, arnold or use the machine shoulder press without back support.

  • nomadfornow

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    Jan 16, 2012 12:00 AM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle said
    paulflexes saidJust shut the fuck up and train, dammit! icon_mad.gif

    Yeah, I should be a PT. icon_biggrin.gif


    As a PT,... I would like to gently and respectfully agree with Brother PaulFlexes, but without the cursing...

    Everyone... EVERYONE .... E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E... has a biomechanical disadvantage for some lift. I could squat really heavy and due to short arms I had a great bench and overhead press.... but I cannot deadlift my way out of a papersack. It isn't a strength issue as much as a biomechanical disadvantage due to short arms and legs.

    Did I stop deadlifting.... NO.... did I win awards deadlifting, NO.... but I got stronger hips from it and it helped all of my other lifts.

    You will suck at shoulder presses.... until you get better at it.

    My personal training/powerlifter/strongman trainees hear it every day, but it is the mantra to follow:

    Train What You are Bad At Doing

    If you constantly focus on your weak points... ALL of your physique and bodyparts will balance and come up evenly.

    Rock it, OP!!


    Yes yes yes. I relate to this shoulder dilemma, having very long arms, and one slightly bum shoulder (car wreck many years ago). I'm often discouraged by shoulder exercises, but know I have to continue doing them. Work the weak spots. Thanks again, Alpha... you da man!
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    Jan 16, 2012 12:18 AM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle said
    paulflexes saidJust shut the fuck up and train, dammit! icon_mad.gif

    Yeah, I should be a PT. icon_biggrin.gif


    As a PT,... I would like to gently and respectfully agree with Brother PaulFlexes, but without the cursing...

    Everyone... EVERYONE .... E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E... has a biomechanical disadvantage for some lift. I could squat really heavy and due to short arms I had a great bench and overhead press.... but I cannot deadlift my way out of a papersack. It isn't a strength issue as much as a biomechanical disadvantage due to short arms and legs.

    Did I stop deadlifting.... NO.... did I win awards deadlifting, NO.... but I got stronger hips from it and it helped all of my other lifts.

    You will suck at shoulder presses.... until you get better at it.

    My personal training/powerlifter/strongman trainees hear it every day, but it is the mantra to follow:

    Train What You are Bad At Doing

    If you constantly focus on your weak points... ALL of your physique and bodyparts will balance and come up evenly.

    Rock it, OP!!


    Great advice Alpha my trainer has been saying the same thing to me. Same long arms and injury years ago meant being consistent an getting form right above all else now after 16 weeks im able to handle weight and get the movements correct. Wish my PT was as hot as Alpha icon_smile.gif.
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    Jan 16, 2012 12:28 AM GMT
    I don't really have too much problems with shoulders...Its the legs I hate doing...
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    Jan 16, 2012 12:51 AM GMT
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    Jan 16, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI used to hate squatting because of how uncomfortable it felt for me. The balancing act of holding a weighted bar on my upper back, proper form and the discomfort of working some of the largest muscles within the human body, the awful burn, gasping for air to keep pushing....

    I used to literally vomit from the intensity of my leg workouts. This only happened when I first started working out.


    I simply learned to love it and endure.


    SUFFER!! ..... and learn to ENJOY!!

    Motto to live by. icon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gif


    I need your motivation to do that..literally I hate doing it on my own icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 16, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
    Don't worry fivealive, I feel the same way. I find it all intrinsically boring, even though I do my best to keep going.

    lol I'm yawning constantly during workouts because it's so uninteresting.
  • dc415

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    Jan 16, 2012 1:59 AM GMT
    i don't think being slim has anything to do with it... and yes the exercises you dislike are the ones you need to train.

    you should also make sure you have sufficient shoulder mobility for overhead pressing... this article is good

    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/are_you_ready_to_overhead_press
  • barriehomeboy

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    Jan 16, 2012 3:07 AM GMT
    your limitation isn't your body habitus. It's your age. Any man over 30 shouldn't be doing things with weights that are over his shoulder and out of his range of vision. If you can't see it you shouldn't be moving it. You're ripping your rotator cuff.
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    Jan 16, 2012 3:18 AM GMT
    NO EXCUSES
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    Jan 16, 2012 3:25 AM GMT
    There are more exercises for your shoulders than just the shoulder press... find one you like.

    I used to dislike them too, but they are essential to overall strength and aesthetic form (and now I like them) icon_razz.gif
  • dc415

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    Jan 16, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
    barriehomeboy saidAny man over 30 shouldn't be doing things with weights that are over his shoulder and out of his range of vision. If you can't see it you shouldn't be moving it. You're ripping your rotator cuff.


    ok that is just wrong. overhead pressing *does not* "rip your rotator cuff", and what does age have to do with it?

    here's another article to read:

    http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/site/in-defense-of-the-overhead-press/