Can you identify the religious right candidate speaking AGAINST "a rigid separation between church and state"? Yup, it's RON PAUL !

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    Jan 16, 2012 1:01 AM GMT
    [Without cheating and looking it up via a web search.]

    As we celebrate another Yuletide season, it's hard not to notice that Christmas in America simply doesn't feel the same anymore. Although an overwhelming majority of Americans celebrate Christmas, and those who don't celebrate it overwhelmingly accept and respect our nation's Christmas traditions, a certain shared public sentiment slowly has disappeared. The Christmas spirit, marked by a wonderful feeling of goodwill among men, is in danger of being lost in THE ONGOING WAR AGAINST RELIGION.

    Through PERVERSE COURT DECISIONS and YEARS OF CULTURAL INDOCTRINATION, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THE ANTI-RELIGIOUS ELITES IS TO TRANSFORM AMERICA INTO A COMPLETELY SECULAR NATION, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

    ...THE NOTION OF A RIGID SEPARATION BEWTEEN CHURCH AND STATE HAS NO BASIS in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

    The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with CHURCHES SERVING AS VITAL INSTITUTIONS THAT WOULD ECLIPSE THE STATE IN IMPORTANCE. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. MORAL AND CIVIL INDIVIDUALS ARE LARGELY GOVERNED BY THEIR OWN SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG, AND HENCE HAVE LITTLE NEED FOR EXTERNAL GOVERNMENT. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

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    Jan 16, 2012 2:58 AM GMT
    The first phrase gave it away on google. Who speaks like that anymore? icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 16, 2012 3:41 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 said[Without cheating and looking it up via a web search.]

    As we celebrate another Yuletide season, it's hard not to notice that Christmas in America simply doesn't feel the same anymore. Although an overwhelming majority of Americans celebrate Christmas, and those who don't celebrate it overwhelmingly accept and respect our nation's Christmas traditions, a certain shared public sentiment slowly has disappeared. The Christmas spirit, marked by a wonderful feeling of goodwill among men, is in danger of being lost in THE ONGOING WAR AGAINST RELIGION.

    Through PERVERSE COURT DECISIONS and YEARS OF CULTURAL INDOCTRINATION, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THE ANTI-RELIGIOUS ELITES IS TO TRANSFORM AMERICA INTO A COMPLETELY SECULAR NATION, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

    ...THE NOTION OF A RIGID SEPARATION BEWTEEN CHURCH AND STATE HAS NO BASIS in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

    The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with CHURCHES SERVING AS VITAL INSTITUTIONS THAT WOULD ECLIPSE THE STATE IN IMPORTANCE. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. MORAL AND CIVIL INDIVIDUALS ARE LARGELY GOVERNED BY THEIR OWN SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG, AND HENCE HAVE LITTLE NEED FOR EXTERNAL GOVERNMENT. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.



    One would think that this would be Gingrich or Santorum, but nope its the one who you would least suspect. I remember this from about eight or nine years ago.
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:05 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidThe first phrase gave it away on google. Who speaks like that anymore? icon_lol.gif

    Cheater!
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:08 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidOne would think that this would be Gingrich or Santorum, but nope its the one who you would least suspect. I remember this from about eight or nine years ago.

    Yep. Or Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, David Duke or (though not a Republican candidate) Jerry Falwell.
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    Jan 16, 2012 6:31 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidOne would think that this would be Gingrich or Santorum, but nope its the one who you would least suspect. I remember this from about eight or nine years ago.

    Yep. Or Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, David Duke or (though not a Republican candidate) Jerry Falwell.


    But none other than the esteemed Ron Paul
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    Jan 16, 2012 6:56 AM GMT
    Scary fucking extremism.

    The words quoted in the OP lay bare the agenda of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    They want to grab the reins of the government so they can force their perverse twisted version of Christianity on all Americans.
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    Jan 17, 2012 4:17 AM GMT
    I'm not sure, but I think this was the scariest part:

    Ron Paul> PERVERSE COURT DECISIONS

    So, like, who would he nominate to the Supreme Court... other than religious conservatives?!
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    Jan 18, 2012 12:19 AM GMT
    WOW. The seperation of church and state is more important to me than even gay rights since I view it as the issue that connects nearly all social issues.

    Well then fuck Ron Paul! Seriously why is this asshole so popular when he says shit like this?
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    Jan 18, 2012 12:21 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidWOW. The seperation of church and state is more important to me than even gay rights since I view it as the issue that connects nearly all social issues.

    Well then fuck Ron Paul! Seriously why is this asshole so popular when he says shit like this?


    U have a daddy fetish?
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    Jan 18, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidWOW. The seperation of church and state is more important to me than even gay rights since I view it as the issue that connects nearly all social issues.

    Well then fuck Ron Paul! Seriously why is this asshole so popular when he says shit like this?
    Without that separation, Romney will be murdered. As will Newt, and any other candidate that isnt a "born again" fuck up.
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    Jan 18, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
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    conscienti1984 saidWOW. The seperation of church and state is more important to me than even gay rights since I view it as the issue that connects nearly all social issues.

    Well then fuck Ron Paul! Seriously why is this asshole so popular when he says shit like this?


    U have a daddy fetish?


    My friend, technically it would be a grampy fetish, and of course I do! icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 18, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    conscienti1984 saidWOW. The seperation of church and state is more important to me than even gay rights since I view it as the issue that connects nearly all social issues.

    Well then fuck Ron Paul! Seriously why is this asshole so popular when he says shit like this?


    U have a daddy fetish?


    My friend, technically it would be a grampy fetish, and of course I do! icon_wink.gif


    Funny. There's a 19 yr old at the gym that has a gramps fetish on ME fer Christ’s sakes so yes, I know it happens, but very rarely. Still though … For me? I’m pert near TRIPLE his age. Lasik please ! I kept telling him that I’m really really old.
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    Jan 18, 2012 3:07 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidWOW. The seperation of church and state is more important to me than even gay rights since I view it as the issue that connects nearly all social issues.

    Well then fuck Ron Paul! Seriously why is this asshole so popular when he says shit like this?




    I am with you in believing in separation of church and state, I just looked up Ron Pauls position statements and his point is that it shouldn't be up to the state or the federal Government to decide whether or not a local school wants to have a prayer before a football game.

    Ron Paul states that the constitution says there shall be no establishment of a state religion then uses the example of England with the 'church of England'. so he does believe in a separation with no state established church. When Paul wrote this it was in response to the far left efforts to file suits and etc. over a prayer said at a ball game, or a nativity some small town puts on its property. That is what he is against the state and federal laws getting involved in. He is not attempting to combine the church and state.

    The far righty Neo Con who wrote this of course has an ax to grind where Paul is concerned because he is against our entanglement with Israel and the other entanglements with its neighbors in the Middle East on their behalf, in other words handing out money to Israel or to its neighbors to 'be nice' to Israel. Actually he's against all handouts. There's some value in that because of for instance the warning of George Washington against entanglements with other states making their enemies our enemies and the dangers of favoritism of one nation over another in foreign policy decisions.

    Any student of the Middle East can easily see what taking sides with Israel has done for us in relation to the rest of the Middle East. The money given them ends up being used for military purchases and 'guarding' illegal settlements, which in turn tromps all over Palestinians rights, then turns their other neighbors against us because our money and actions support the Palestinian abuse,

    On this subject too, the very reason the US is so supportive of Israel is biblical, the Christian Fundi's believe strongly in the bible text. "that nation that blesses Israel will be blessed of god". There is great pressure from this group of voters to go along with whatever israel wants as for as its land grabs of the West Bank because they believe that God promised it to Abrahams seed. Ron Paul is the only candidate against this religious connection affecting our Foreign Policy, so you see he does believe in separation of church and state. He just want the feds and the state level to stay our of local affairs, is that so bad ?

    In the south where I live, before any ball game there is prayer, before the county board of administration meeting there is prayer. Paul is against the Feds or the state coming in and saying our local leaders cannot have prayer, that's all hes saying.

    There's quite a difference between the impression the OP is trying to leave and the reality of what Paul believes.
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    Jan 18, 2012 6:42 AM GMT
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    conscienti1984 saidWOW. The seperation of church and state is more important to me than even gay rights since I view it as the issue that connects nearly all social issues.

    Well then fuck Ron Paul! Seriously why is this asshole so popular when he says shit like this?
    Without that separation, Romney will be murdered. As will Newt, and any other candidate that isnt a "born again" fuck up.


    Can I be ‘born again’ or am I simply hopeless?
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    Jan 18, 2012 7:15 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark said
    conscienti1984 saidWOW. The seperation of church and state is more important to me than even gay rights since I view it as the issue that connects nearly all social issues.

    Well then fuck Ron Paul! Seriously why is this asshole so popular when he says shit like this?
    Without that separation, Romney will be murdered. As will Newt, and any other candidate that isnt a "born again" fuck up.


    Can I be ‘born again’ or am I simply hopeless?




    Well lets put it this way, somehow you and your fundi buddy's need to realize that your religion is supposed to be consistant and non hypocritical toward your fellow man, Judging by the candidates that you back, your not just hopeless, your going straight to hell and gonna burn a long long time. LOL



    You better turn to Gingriches new found Catholic faith and ask his financier Adelson for some money so you can buy plenty of 'indulgences' to buy you a cool place in republican purgatory. Ha !!!
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    Feb 01, 2012 1:21 AM GMT
    See also:

    Ron Paul's history of anti-gay slurs
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2147443

    Ron Paul's racism
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2144906
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    Feb 01, 2012 1:41 AM GMT
    When wolverine loses in one thread he moves on to another one.
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    Feb 01, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    Jumping around from topic to topic when facts prove him wrong, is a tactic used by LIL'AIPAC (W4) nearly as much as putting me and others on ignore when he doesn't want to face the facts we present. LOL
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    Feb 01, 2012 2:10 AM GMT
    jpBITCHva saidCan anyone identify this quote (without googling!)

    "Does Christmas smell like oranges to you?"

    Anita Bryant?
    "Oranges, not just for Christmas anymore."
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    Feb 27, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
    Looks like Ron Paul isn't that different from Rick Santorum:

    Santorum: Church/state separation not absolute
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57385430-503544/santorum-church-state-separation-not-absolute

    The difference, though, is that Santorum's supporters own up to what their man says rather than pretend their candidate didn't say what he did (or the not-so-brilliant diversion of "but look over there... we like his position there."). Even as they pretend that Ron Paul is the honest candidate who tells it like it is (what's their excuse... maybe his supporters are the dis-honest problem?).