SC Republican debate tonight

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    Jan 17, 2012 5:01 AM GMT
    I watch most of it while on the treadmill at the gym. Rowdy crowd! Happy to see my fellow GOD DAM RIGHT WING FUNDI TALIBAN NEO CONs getting into to it. I wish I had been there .... fun crowd!

    I’d take anyone, but Ron Paul. Again, I thought Gingrich was slightly better than Romney, but I’ve thought that for months, and then followed up by Santorum and then Perry. Even Perry was pretty good tonight. I can live easily with either Romney or Gingrich.
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:17 AM GMT
    Gingrich won it followed by Romney (although the tax question was piss poorly answered)...Paul was Paul...see ya Perry and Santorum still came across as slimy...
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:33 AM GMT
    rioriz saidGingrich won it followed by Romney (although the tax question was piss poorly answered)...Paul was Paul...see ya Perry and Santorum still came across as slimy...


    Agree. I would say slightly for Santorum. He's much improved, but there is still something about his mannerism that he's need to check.
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:43 AM GMT
    I have a feeling Gingrich will eke out a lead in the SC primary, with Santorum in 2nd place?

    Romney's Mormonism may an issue among the bible-bangers.
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    Jan 17, 2012 6:09 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidI have a feeling Gingrich will eke out a lead in the SC primary, with Santorum in 2nd place?

    Romney's Mormonism may an issue among the bible-bangers.


    SC is just about the last primary I could imagine Romney winning. If he does, I think it’s over.
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    Jan 17, 2012 6:12 AM GMT
    I think Gingrich -- as he has in many of the debates -- had some of the best moments in the debate, but Mitt Romney overall still seemed to command the stage in a calm and confident manner, coming off as knowledgable and Presidential. This debate may have hurt Ron Paul, as he seemed to not connect with, and almost anger the crowd at times. Perry had some good moments, but too little too late. Rick Santorum seems out of his league and grasping at straws to get time. I hope this is his last debate and primary.
    AlphaTrigger said
    Romney's Mormonism may an issue among the bible-bangers.

    I'm not convinced it will be nearly the issue some seem to think it is.
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    Jan 17, 2012 6:19 AM GMT
    This guy so gets it!

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1395926724001/newt-gingrich-on-shoot-out-with-juan-williams/?playlist_id=86858
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    Jan 17, 2012 7:44 AM GMT
    When will Romney release his tax records. What is he hiding?
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    Jan 17, 2012 7:47 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI think Gingrich -- as he has in many of the debates -- had some of the best moments in the debate, but Mitt Romney overall still seemed to command the stage in a calm and confident manner, coming off as knowledgable and Presidential. This debate may have hurt Ron Paul, as he seemed to not connect with, and almost anger the crowd at times. Perry had some good moments, but too little too late. Rick Santorum seems out of his league and grasping at straws to get time. I hope this is his last debate and primary.
    AlphaTrigger said
    Romney's Mormonism may an issue among the bible-bangers.

    I'm not convinced it will be nearly the issue some seem to think it is.





    Ron Paul is lucky he's doing anywhere near as well as he is in SC because of all the fundi's there who are far more likely to go along with Freedom/Geezers Neo Con wars than (heaven forbid) atheists. (look that one up, a study was done that proved it)


    How do you guys get that Gingrich might pull a win over Romney, Over the weekend he had lost support, did he win it all back just today ?


    I see you repubs are still rooting for your War backing candidates, of which Gingrich and Santorum are the worst. Any particular reason that you like a condidate that is so supportive of more war ?

    I thought you guys were supposed to be fiscally conservative, how is repeating the same damn bush war mistakes and expenditures that are a large part to blame for our economic troubles a conservative platform ?

    You repubs are kind of off balance on this.
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    Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM GMT
    Ron Paul got 30 seconds in the first 40 minutes. Typical Faux News...

    He is still doing very well in the polls and should be able to take the 3rd pace.
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    Jan 17, 2012 8:48 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidI have a feeling Gingrich will eke out a lead in the SC primary, with Santorum in 2nd place?

    Romney's Mormonism may an issue among the bible-bangers.


    The betting market intrade after the debate has odds at about 90% that Romney will win it.
    http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=750749
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    Jan 17, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    realifedad said

    Ron Paul is lucky he's doing anywhere near as well as he is in SC because of all the fundi's there who are far more likely to go along with Freedom/Geezers Neo Con wars than (heaven forbid) atheists. (look that one up, a study was done that proved it)



    I was listening to a radio interview yesterday and it was about "The Myths of South Carolina", and one of them was that these so-called "Fundis" wield so much power. The guy explained why this really isn't as influential as many would have you believe. For this reason, I think Romney may well win SC, with Gingrich in second and Paul and Santorum battling for 3rd
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    Jan 17, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
    Radamisto saidRon Paul got 30 seconds in the first 40 minutes. Typical Faux News...

    He is still doing very well in the polls and should be able to take the 3rd pace.





    I just read an article this morning from FOX unbalanced and biased NEWS and the title was 'PAUL BOOED FOR HIS FOREIGN RELATIONS VIEWS" Apparently when he stated something to the effect "no nation should do unto another nation what it wouldn't want done to itself" this was when the Christian Fundie's booed. Imagine that !!

    However nothing was said in the FOX article about when Paul spoke against another war which the Neo Cons are pushing for, he got a very positive cheering response from that same crowd.

    The latter applause was pointed out by many a commenter who were discusted by FOX steering only to the negative where Paul is concerned.




    I also watched an enlightening YouTube vid about Ted Kopple's interview with Newt Gingrich in which he asked Newt what his Donor Adelson gets for his $5 million dollar contribution. Newts response was. " Adelson is very pro Israel and knows that I am Pro Israel, so he would get Pro Israel Policies if I were elected"

    YES INDEED !! THAT'S WHAT WE NEED !!! A shill for another country's interests because he was paid to be Pro Israel, which translates to Pro War with Iran because that's what the Israeli Lobby AIPAC and Adelson want.

    Are you republicans thinking about what your candidates very likely would bring down on our Country ? How would another damn war be a fiscally conservative and responsible thing to take on ?


    VOTE RON PAUL
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:04 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI think Gingrich -- as he has in many of the debates -- had some of the best moments in the debate, but Mitt Romney overall still seemed to command the stage in a calm and confident manner, coming off as knowledgable and Presidential. This debate may have hurt Ron Paul, as he seemed to not connect with, and almost anger the crowd at times. Perry had some good moments, but too little too late. Rick Santorum seems out of his league and grasping at straws to get time. I hope this is his last debate and primary.
    AlphaTrigger said
    Romney's Mormonism may an issue among the bible-bangers.

    I'm not convinced it will be nearly the issue some seem to think it is.


    I'm still torn pretty much 50-50 with Gingrich versus Romney. I think both would take an appropriately strong stand regarding Iran as would Santorum, including the use of military force and soon, which I view as the number one issue of the day. Plus quickly get moving on Keystone to allow the economy to recover without oil prices going through the roof. An ample, predictable, uninterruptable supply of cheap energy is vital to a healthy economy. So I’m still a tie between Romney and Gingrich with Santorum third and a much improved Perry as fourth. The only one who I positively won’t support under any circumstance is Paul.
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidSo I’m still a tie between Romney and Gingrich with Santorum third and a much improved Perry as fourth. The only one who I positively won’t support under any circumstance is Paul.


    Well, if Rick Santorum gets the nomination (which I don't see happening EVER) you can pretty much say hello to an Obama 2nd term. Perry is history -- only a matter of time...probably after SC...when he bows out.
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
    I think it was between Romney and Gingrich. Gingrich can be brilliant in debates and was on his game yesterday. While I would enjoy seeing him debate Obama, as would many, I would worry because he has no filter between his brain and his mouth. He could easily tear Obama apart then in the next breath say something completely off-base. Typical of a creative mind, he can think about things far, far outside of the box, but he doesn't have the discipline to think about the ramifications and impact of his ideas until well after they leave his lips. I also question his judgement. His attacking the free market system to get at Romney was not a good strategy. Perry didn't surprise me in that regard because he falls in love with slogans and doesn't think too deeply, IMO.

    Romney did ok, but was a bit off his best game. Part of it resulted from being hit with repeated accusations. One reporter likened it to the I Love Lucy episode in the chocolate candy factory. His answers could have been crisper and better prepared. But the main reason Romney can be on the defensive is he is hesitant to go after his competitors as aggressively as they go after him. I think it is good strategy for a front runner and presumptive nominee. He wants to facilitate the eventual uniting of the party for the general election. For that reason, even Paul is treated with respect. Part of that is to not motivate him to run as a third party. Most agree he makes sense with his positions on domestic issues, so that can be emphasized. I don't think those who actually support his international ideas would ever vote Republican anyway.
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:40 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidSo I’m still a tie between Romney and Gingrich with Santorum third and a much improved Perry as fourth. The only one who I positively won’t support under any circumstance is Paul.


    Well, if Rick Santorum gets the nomination (which I don't see happening EVER) you can pretty much say hello to an Obama 2nd term. Perry is history -- only a matter of time...probably after SC...when he bows out.


    Agree on Santorum as I imagine he would some degree of difficulty with independents (pretty good understatement?). I don’t think he will be the nominee, but if he is, I will support him. I also don't expect to see Perry stay in much longer.
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:42 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI think Gingrich -- as he has in many of the debates -- had some of the best moments in the debate, but Mitt Romney overall still seemed to command the stage in a calm and confident manner, coming off as knowledgable and Presidential. This debate may have hurt Ron Paul, as he seemed to not connect with, and almost anger the crowd at times. Perry had some good moments, but too little too late. Rick Santorum seems out of his league and grasping at straws to get time. I hope this is his last debate and primary.
    AlphaTrigger said
    Romney's Mormonism may an issue among the bible-bangers.

    I'm not convinced it will be nearly the issue some seem to think it is.


    I'm still torn pretty much 50-50 with Gingrich versus Romney. I think both would take an appropriately strong stand regarding Iran as would Santorum, including the use of military force and soon, which I view as the number one issue of the day. Plus quickly get moving on Keystone to allow the economy to recover without oil prices going through the roof. An ample, predictable, uninterruptable supply of cheap energy is vital to a healthy economy. So I’m still a tie between Romney and Gingrich with Santorum third and a much improved Perry as fourth. The only one who I positively won’t support under any circumstance is Paul.

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    Would Jesus ignore facts and vote for Romney or Gingrich and possibly cause hundreds of thousand of deaths for the Israeli Lobby Neo Cons war with Iran that these two support only for the money and votes they get for their election ?


    FreedomGeezer, do you always ignore facts ? What would Jesus have you christian fundi's do ? LOL !! Remember that Jesus says "the truth will set you free" and it could also save a lot american soldiers lives.


    Do a Google search on who is backing the wars and promoting another war, this time with Iran. Your jesus wants you to know the truth FreedomGeezer, I can hear him now pleading with you to learn the :"truth" cause it "will set you free". LOL !!!


    Let us know what you learn from your research.
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:47 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidI think it was between Romney and Gingrich. Gingrich can be brilliant in debates and was on his game yesterday. While I would enjoy seeing him debate Obama, as would many, I would worry because he has no filter between his brain and his mouth. He could easily tear Obama apart then in the next breath say something completely off-base. Typical of a creative mind, he can think about things far, far outside of the box, but he doesn't have the discipline to think about the ramifications and impact of his ideas until well after they leave his lips. I also question his judgement. His attacking the free market system to get at Romney was not a good strategy. Perry didn't surprise me in that regard because he falls in love with slogans and doesn't think too deeply, IMO.

    Romney did ok, but was a bit off his best game. Part of it resulted from being hit with repeated accusations. One reporter likened it to the I Love Lucy episode in the chocolate candy factory. His answers could have been crisper and better prepared. But the main reason Romney can be on the defensive is he is hesitant to go after his competitors as aggressively as they go after him. I think it is good strategy for a front runner and presumptive nominee. He wants to facilitate the eventual uniting of the party for the general election. For that reason, even Paul is treated with respect. Part of that is to not motivate him to run as a third party. Most agree he makes sense with his positions on domestic issues, so that can be emphasized. I don't think those who actually support his international ideas would ever vote Republican anyway.


    And he’ll phrase his comments in such a way that it makes nice little 30 seconds sound bites when taken out of context that appeal to the truly uninformed on MSNBC. His grandiose theorizing and hypothesisising sometimes should be done in private. So yes, his mouth and discipline are the issues.
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    Jan 17, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    FreedomGeezer, you and SoCal done the Google yet ? LOL Let us know what you find out about who backs your candidates.
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    Jan 17, 2012 6:57 PM GMT
    We're not the only ones who think that Gingrich was the debate wiener last night.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/south-carolina-debate-gingrich/2012/01/17/id/424434
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    Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidWe're not the only ones who think that Gingrich was the debate wiener last night.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/south-carolina-debate-gingrich/2012/01/17/id/424434





    Well I read about this Debate from the site News Max because I get it in my email so that I can be aware of all sides of the issues. By the way FreedomGeezer, did you do the Google search I suggested above so you can be similarly informed ?


    I noted on News Max that the Christian Fundi's went wild when Newt suggested "KILL THEM" when responding to a question about Terrorists who might be in Pakistan. This is the problem with Newt, he seems so heholding to the Neo Con Israeli Lobby that he would tend to go for killing first rather than any negotiating in the Middle East, he also seems ready to pick a fight with China. This kind of Cowboy attitude would take us to the failed Bush Policies and very possibly unecessary wars.

    Also, remember that Newt was down below Paul when put up against Obama by some 7 to 9 points. The US doesn't need another war mongering cowboy in the Whitehouse.


    PS, you and SoCal really should 'do the google' and inform yourselves better about who is supporting your candidates.


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    Jan 18, 2012 12:44 AM GMT
    As Rush so frequently does .... he's got this one right IMO.

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/gingrich-debate-limbaugh/2012/01/17/id/424445
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    Jan 18, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    I was slaving away last night when I started this thread trying to figure out what I was leaving out of :

    GOD DAM RIGHT WING FUNDI TALIBAN NEO CONs

    Finally, I remembered.




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    Jan 18, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
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    AlphaTrigger saidI have a feeling Gingrich will eke out a lead in the SC primary, with Santorum in 2nd place?

    Romney's Mormonism may an issue among the bible-bangers.


    SC is just about the last primary I could imagine Romney winning. If he does, I think it’s over.


    Regardless of who wins SC, it is clear to me that Romney is the (RNC's) Chosen One.

    A damned shame too, as that low-down two-faced flip-flopping snake in the grass cares only about *his* constituents - his corporate and super-PAC donors.

    A Gingrich win would (he's another very shady cow) likely see Perry and Santorum bow out and toss their endorsements to him which would give considerable momentum to The Grinch, and turn it into a three-way contest between the Crook, the Schnook, and the Doctor. ;)

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