Romney was really decent about gays when he was Governor of Massachusetts, but does anyone know what positions he's taken to win the nomination?

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    Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM GMT
    I think we all need to know!
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    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/192604/20110804/romney-gay-marriage-romney-marriage-pledge-romney-same-sex-marriage-romney-gay-rights.htm
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    Jan 17, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    Romney, like most politicians including our President, is against gay marriage. That should not be taken to mean he is against gays. Many people support gays, but do not support changing the definition of "marriage" to include same-sex marriage.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidRomney, like most politicians including our President, is against gay marriage. That should not be taken to mean he is against gays. Many people support gays, but do not support changing the definition of "marriage" to include same-sex marriage.


    Hmmm...what pledge against marriage for gays did Obama sign?

    Obama has stated his personal feelings about gay marriage and has also stated that his personal stance is evolving. Note the word personal. Not what he does in office, unlike a pledge that states what one will do when in office, and that one will be held accountable to as it is a signed document.

    I really wish Huntsman had gotten the thumbs up.

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    Our Prime Minister (Conservative) belongs to an evangelical church. He personally does not believe in gay marriage etc. He separates his personal beliefs from his job in office.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidRomney, like most politicians including our President, is against gay marriage. That should not be taken to mean he is against gays. Many people support gays, but do not support changing the definition of "marriage" to include same-sex marriage.


    Hmmm...what pledge against marriage for gays did Obama sign?

    Obama has stated his personal feelings about gay marriage and has also stated that his personal stance is evolving. Note the word personal. Not what he does in office, unlike a pledge that states what one will do when in office, and that one will be held accountable to as it is a signed document.

    I really wish Huntsman had gotten the thumbs up.


    Great post. I like how u distinquished between Romney's pledge and Obama's non-pledge!
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    Jan 17, 2012 4:16 PM GMT
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    swimguychicago said
    Romney was really decent about gays when he was Governor of Massachusetts, but does anyone know what positions he's taken to win the nomination?

    I think we all need to know!


    So why don't you look it up, instead of posting the question on an internet chat site where the vast majority of guys are anti-Romney?


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    Hey SB !!! Give the OP a break, he's got a legitimate topic here, but I know that facts coming out against the republicans man Romney are distateful.



    Personally with Romneys 'bent' toward 'bending' to whatever group is the loudest at the time he's speaking, I believe Romney could end up going with the far right fundi's if he got in office, which would end up with the gays being thrown under the bus in spite of his record in Mass.
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    Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM GMT
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    Hmmm...what pledge against marriage for gays did Obama sign?

    Obama has stated his personal feelings about gay marriage and has also stated that his personal stance is evolving. Note the word personal. Not what he does in office, unlike a pledge that states what one will do when in office, and that one will be held accountable to as it is a signed document.


    I suspect that, should Romney get elected, his feelings about gay marriage may "evolve" as well -- who knows. Pledge or not, what good did Obama's 'Non-Pledge" do gay marriage when he had the control to get it done? As for Romney signing a pledge, that's a far cry from him signing a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He would have to have a congress who passed such a thing first, and I suspect that isn't likely to happen. That being said, should congress pass "gay marriage", I suspect Romney would sign that as well, as he did in Massachusetts, even if he didn't necessarily believe in it personally.
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    Hmmm...what pledge against marriage for gays did Obama sign?

    Obama has stated his personal feelings about gay marriage and has also stated that his personal stance is evolving. Note the word personal. Not what he does in office, unlike a pledge that states what one will do when in office, and that one will be held accountable to as it is a signed document.


    I suspect that, should Romney get elected, his feelings about gay marriage may "evolve" as well -- who knows. Pledge or not, what good did Obama's 'Non-Pledge" do gay marriage when he had the control to get it done? As for Romney signing a pledge, that's a far cry from him signing a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He would have to have a congress who passed such a thing first, and I suspect that isn't likely to happen. That being said, should congress pass "gay marriage", I suspect Romney would sign that as well, as he did in Massachusetts, even if he didn't necessarily believe in it personally.





    What your saying, (or admitting to) is that Romney is like a reed in the water, he'll go which ever way the water flow's. I want someone with spine in the Whitehouse, we've seen enough of spinelessness lately, I'd rather take my chances with Obama who appears to be starting to grow a spine than go with someone new like Romney who has the spine of a jelly fish.

    Romney could easily be talked into another war since he's a lobby lap dog, or if some Fundi's come in and pray to Jebus for Romney to save this Nation for god and marriage, Romney would gladly sign on to some Anti Gay legislation for their fundi votes.

    I don't want my future whether its regarding Gay Rights or adding another war or whatever other subject, depending on some Flip Flopping guy like Romney.
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:07 PM GMT
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    What your saying, (or admitting to) is that Romney is like a reed in the water, he'll go which ever way the water flow's. I want someone with spine in the Whitehouse, we've seen enough of spinelessness lately, I'd rather take my chances with Obama who appears to be starting to grow a spine than go with someone new like Romney who has the spine of a jelly fish.



    Let's get real here. All politicians flip-flop. There isn't a politician out there who doesn't cow-tow to one group or another in an effort to get elected -- you simply cannot get elected any other way. That being said, I look at Romney, his background, his marriage, his family, and I see a man of character - a basically good man. Is he the perfect politician? No. Such a candidate doesn't exist. I understand your reasons behind wanting someone like a Ron Paul, however realistically that is simply not going to happen. Romney has pretty much got this nomination locked if he wins SC and then goes on to win Florida. It's almost been a given from the very beginning of this campaign. Whether or not he's our next President is anyone's guess. The idea of a President Romney doesn't scare me in the slightest. Now a President Paul, while I want to like him, it scares me a little.
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    The next president will nominate 1 to 3 next Supreme Court Justices. This is crucial because currently, 4 of 9 SC justices favor a Constitutional amendment banning Same Sex Marriage in all 50 states. All 4 were chosen by Republicans.

    Who will Mitt Romney pick? Well Romney signed the NOM pledge, specifically **promising** that he will nominate anti Same Sex Marriage Judges. You don't get any clearer than that.
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    realifedad said
    What your saying, (or admitting to) is that Romney is like a reed in the water, he'll go which ever way the water flow's. I want someone with spine in the Whitehouse, we've seen enough of spinelessness lately, I'd rather take my chances with Obama who appears to be starting to grow a spine than go with someone new like Romney who has the spine of a jelly fish.



    Let's get real here. All politicians flip-flop. There isn't a politician out there who doesn't cow-tow to one group or another in an effort to get elected -- you simply cannot get elected any other way. That being said, I look at Romney, his background, his marriage, his family, and I see a man of character - a basically good man. Is he the perfect politician? No. Such a candidate doesn't exist. I understand your reasons behind wanting someone like a Ron Paul, however realistically that is simply not going to happen. Romney has pretty much got this nomination locked if he wins SC and then goes on to win Florida. It's almost been a given from the very beginning of this campaign. Whether or not he's our next President is anyone's guess. The idea of a President Romney doesn't scare me in the slightest. Now a President Paul, while I want to like him, it scares me a little.


    You just put lipstick on a pig.
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    Jan 17, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
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    You just put lipstick on a pig.



    Really? What shade did I pick??? icon_wink.gif
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    What your saying, (or admitting to) is that Romney is like a reed in the water, he'll go which ever way the water flow's. I want someone with spine in the Whitehouse, we've seen enough of spinelessness lately, I'd rather take my chances with Obama who appears to be starting to grow a spine than go with someone new like Romney who has the spine of a jelly fish.



    Let's get real here. All politicians flip-flop. There isn't a politician out there who doesn't cow-tow to one group or another in an effort to get elected -- you simply cannot get elected any other way. That being said, I look at Romney, his background, his marriage, his family, and I see a man of character - a basically good man. Is he the perfect politician? No. Such a candidate doesn't exist. I understand your reasons behind wanting someone like a Ron Paul, however realistically that is simply not going to happen. Romney has pretty much got this nomination locked if he wins SC and then goes on to win Florida. It's almost been a given from the very beginning of this campaign. Whether or not he's our next President is anyone's guess. The idea of a President Romney doesn't scare me in the slightest. Now a President Paul, while I want to like him, it scares me a little.




    Over the last week CNN did a pole pitting Romny against Obama and Paul against Obama,


    results were, Paul came in at 45% to Obamas 52%

    Romney came in at 48% to Obamas 47%


    These odds are not at all impossible,

    Romney represents the status quo and he would take us to war per his words if pressured, we need our country to separate from the status quo because its taking us down the wrong road.

    Search out this CNN pole, I found it on "The State Column"

    Gingrich, Perry and Santorum were down quite a bit from Paul.

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    Jan 17, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
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    These odds are not at all impossible



    No, nothing is impossible, but it is HIGHLY improbable.
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    Hmmm...what pledge against marriage for gays did Obama sign?

    Obama has stated his personal feelings about gay marriage and has also stated that his personal stance is evolving. Note the word personal. Not what he does in office, unlike a pledge that states what one will do when in office, and that one will be held accountable to as it is a signed document.


    I suspect that, should Romney get elected, his feelings about gay marriage may "evolve" as well -- who knows. Pledge or not, what good did Obama's 'Non-Pledge" do gay marriage when he had the control to get it done? As for Romney signing a pledge, that's a far cry from him signing a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He would have to have a congress who passed such a thing first, and I suspect that isn't likely to happen. That being said, should congress pass "gay marriage", I suspect Romney would sign that as well, as he did in Massachusetts, even if he didn't necessarily believe in it personally.


    Romney has made no such statement about evolving, Obama has.
    So, somehow Obama could just decree, like an imperial emperor, that gay marriage is legal everywhere in the US. You give him too much power, which he doesn't have. As well, you had DADT in effect in the military, which as you saw had a lot of people up in arms over its eventual destruction.

    The point you miss Curiousjock, is that it's not a matter of which party leader gets in, it matters how they conduct themselves. If Obama had signed such a pledge you and others on here would be shoving it in the face of every Liberal on here.

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    Jan 17, 2012 6:39 PM GMT
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    The point you miss Curiousjock, is that it's not a matter of which party leader gets in, it matters how they conduct themselves. If Obama had signed such a pledge you and others on here would be shoving it in the face of every Liberal on here.


    Personally, I think signing any sort of pledge regarding anything is stupid and I don't agree with it. Jon Huntsman felt the very same way. We see where that got him.
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    The point you miss Curiousjock, is that it's not a matter of which party leader gets in, it matters how they conduct themselves. If Obama had signed such a pledge you and others on here would be shoving it in the face of every Liberal on here.


    Personally, I think signing any sort of pledge regarding anything is stupid and I don't agree with it. Jon Huntsman felt the very same way. We see where that got him.




    Huntsman didn't have the corporate and Lobby financial backing that Romney and Gingrich as getting, that is why I keep urging you and whoever reads here to follow the money to who and what is paying the way for these two to gain prominence in the national debate. The money is being used to sway the direction of the country, and much of that is toward war and corporate dominance, sadly most are ignoring it and it is a huge factor in the direction our country might take. We do not need more of bush type unecessary wars and more favors to corporations, our policies and legislation shouldn't be bought to please various corps, lobby's and foreign run Neo Con think tanks, and those are who is behind Romney and Gingrich.


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    The point you miss Curiousjock, is that it's not a matter of which party leader gets in, it matters how they conduct themselves. If Obama had signed such a pledge you and others on here would be shoving it in the face of every Liberal on here.


    Personally, I think signing any sort of pledge regarding anything is stupid and I don't agree with it. Jon Huntsman felt the very same way. We see where that got him.


    It should have gotten him to the top easily, simply by his refusal to sign. That it had the opposite effect is rather telling, wouldn't you say?
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    The point you miss Curiousjock, is that it's not a matter of which party leader gets in, it matters how they conduct themselves. If Obama had signed such a pledge you and others on here would be shoving it in the face of every Liberal on here.


    Personally, I think signing any sort of pledge regarding anything is stupid and I don't agree with it. Jon Huntsman felt the very same way. We see where that got him.


    It should have gotten him to the top easily, simply by his refusal to sign. That it had the opposite effect is rather telling, wouldn't you say?


    Exactly. Over 75% of Republican voters are anti-gay bigots, and they want a candidate that attacks gays.

    Which is why I'll be voting for President Obama.
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    Jan 17, 2012 7:46 PM GMT
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    Exactly. Over 75% of Republican voters are anti-gay bigots, and they want a candidate that attacks gays.



    Please cite where you got this information and how accurate it could be?
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    Exactly. Over 75% of Republican voters are anti-gay bigots, and they want a candidate that attacks gays.



    Please cite where you got this information and how accurate it could be?


    Ok, I'll play....

    97.5% of House Republicans voted against repeal of DADT.
    0ver 80% of House Republicans voted against repeal of DADT.


    Links
    http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-15/politics/gays.in.military_1_defense-policy-bill-repeal-discriminatory-policy?_s=PMicon_razz.gifOLITICS

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/18/dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal_5_n_798636.html

    How many of these Republican Senators and Congressmen stirred up homophobia in order to get elected? Answer: most of them. The fact that you spend hours on here supporting their political party, with their fetish about attacking your basic civil rights....should cause anybody to stop and think about what they're doing.

    And I won't even get into all the $$$$ effort that Republicans spend to stir up the hatred, lies and homophobia among voters.

    RNC%20anti%20gay%20flyer.jpg
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    Jan 18, 2012 2:10 AM GMT
    Willard Romney has completely flip-flopped on gay rights.
    And every other issue.

    His position now is that he's vowed to work to AMEND THE CONSTITUTION to make gay marriage illegal nationwide.
    States that currently allow gay marriage would be forced to stop allowing it and no states would ever be allowed to permit gay citizens to marry.
    NEVER EVER.
    Gay Americsns would become permanent second class citizens.

    Given Willard's anti-gay Mormon faith - it's clear now that the fairly pro-gay position Romney mouthed when he was running for governor of MA was a pack of lies he spewed out purely to try to get elected in a progressive state like MA.