Scumbag Lawyers At It Again

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    Jan 18, 2012 12:12 AM GMT
    I get these "notices of class action" lawsuits from time to time. Some scumbag lawyer sues a large company over some trivial misinterpretation of reality. Every "victim" gets a coupon good for forty-five cents on their next purchase. The lawyer gets ten million dollars. Retail prices go up to cover the expense. Most of the time, I feel like somebody should be suing these asshat lawyers, instead.

    So anyway, today I got one from some life-form that is suing Costco on my behalf, for not factoring in the thermal expansion of gasoline in setting their prices on every sale.

    OK, this is something that actually happens. It can make a difference of a few dollars in the cost of a tanker-truck load of fuel. Up until now, it hasn't made any measurable difference to consumers. Maybe a couple of cents per tank. When gas gets up toward $4 a gallon, it might make as much as a couple of cents a gallon difference, when the weather is really hot, for an equivalent mass of fuel. But the fuel is sold by the gallon, so it doesn't really make any difference to the retail sale. (You can get a bit more by filling up at night.)

    Has anybody ever seen a pump that changes price according to the temperature? Has anybody ever gotten a discount because the weather was hot? Does anybody actually avoid buying gas when it's hot, because of this?

    /rant
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    Jan 18, 2012 12:19 AM GMT
    Makes no difference.

    THe only things that make a difference are O2 sensors, air leaks in the intake, MAF and AFM sensors,air temperature sensors and sparkplugs.

    If all these are kept replaced and within perfect spec, a car will run at its most efficient making a few cents at the pump make no difference when you are doing your FULL mpg. People forget that these sensors wear fast and that they need to be maintained to get full mpg, which often makes up for pump prices
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    Jan 18, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
    We shouldn't be using fossil fuels in the first place.
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    Jan 18, 2012 12:50 AM GMT
    Well, yes in reality it probably makes no difference at all because the fuel is kept in underground tanks where the temperature doesn't vary by much. It seems like that would be an excellent place to keep lawyers, as well.
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    Jan 18, 2012 1:39 AM GMT
    Stan904 saidWe shouldn't be using fossil fuels in the first place.


    What would you suggest?

    Fairy dust and rainbows?
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    Jan 18, 2012 1:46 AM GMT
    Haaretz said
    Stan904 saidWe shouldn't be using fossil fuels in the first place.


    What would you suggest?

    Fairy dust and rainbows?


    Renewable energy like solar and wind. And electric cars.
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    Jan 18, 2012 1:46 AM GMT

    My appliances all run on the power of prayer..
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    Jan 18, 2012 2:00 AM GMT
    Stan904 said
    Haaretz said
    Stan904 saidWe shouldn't be using fossil fuels in the first place.


    What would you suggest?

    Fairy dust and rainbows?


    Renewable energy like solar and wind. And electric cars.


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    Jan 18, 2012 2:03 AM GMT
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    tanlejos said
    My appliances all run on the power of prayer..


    LOL...will you prayer for mine too?


    Let's hold hands..

    Heavenly Father we are gathered here today in front of the toaster....
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    Jan 18, 2012 2:14 AM GMT
    tanlejos said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    tanlejos said
    My appliances all run on the power of prayer..


    LOL...will you prayer for mine too?


    Let's hold hands..

    Heavenly Father we are gathered here today in front of the toaster....


    Toaster?? Oh you mean THOSE appliances? I was thinking of ...um...oh never mind. Carry on.
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    Jan 18, 2012 2:19 AM GMT
    Stan904 said
    Haaretz said
    Stan904 saidWe shouldn't be using fossil fuels in the first place.


    What would you suggest?

    Fairy dust and rainbows?


    Renewable energy like solar and wind. And electric cars.


    Impractical and idealistic post is impractical and idealistic!
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    Jan 18, 2012 2:22 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidI get these "notices of class action" lawsuits from time to time. Some scumbag lawyer sues a large company over some trivial misinterpretation of reality. Every "victim" gets a coupon good for forty-five cents on their next purchase. The lawyer gets ten million dollars. Retail prices go up to cover the expense. Most of the time, I feel like somebody should be suing these asshat lawyers, instead.

    So anyway, today I got one from some life-form that is suing Costco on my behalf, for not factoring in the thermal expansion of gasoline in setting their prices on every sale.

    OK, this is something that actually happens. It can make a difference of a few dollars in the cost of a tanker-truck load of fuel. Up until now, it hasn't made any measurable difference to consumers. Maybe a couple of cents per tank. When gas gets up toward $4 a gallon, it might make as much as a couple of cents a gallon difference, when the weather is really hot, for an equivalent mass of fuel. But the fuel is sold by the gallon, so it doesn't really make any difference to the retail sale. (You can get a bit more by filling up at night.)

    Has anybody ever seen a pump that changes price according to the temperature? Has anybody ever gotten a discount because the weather was hot? Does anybody actually avoid buying gas when it's hot, because of this?

    /rant


    Well here in Canada, frigid land of regulation (and huge temperature swings between the seasons), all commercial gas pumps use automatic temperature compensation. This helpful webpage from Measurement Canada explains the concept:

    http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/mc-mc.nsf/eng/lm04344.html
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    Jan 18, 2012 2:42 AM GMT
    Australia is the same as Canada, all fuel pumps take into account the temp.

    But then we pay a hell of a lot more for fuel then americans.
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    Jan 18, 2012 2:55 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidI get these "notices of class action" lawsuits from time to time. Some scumbag lawyer sues a large company over some trivial misinterpretation of reality. Every "victim" gets a coupon good for forty-five cents on their next purchase. The lawyer gets ten million dollars. Retail prices go up to cover the expense. Most of the time, I feel like somebody should be suing these asshat lawyers, instead.

    So anyway, today I got one from some life-form that is suing Costco on my behalf, for not factoring in the thermal expansion of gasoline in setting their prices on every sale.

    OK, this is something that actually happens. It can make a difference of a few dollars in the cost of a tanker-truck load of fuel. Up until now, it hasn't made any measurable difference to consumers. Maybe a couple of cents per tank. When gas gets up toward $4 a gallon, it might make as much as a couple of cents a gallon difference, when the weather is really hot, for an equivalent mass of fuel. But the fuel is sold by the gallon, so it doesn't really make any difference to the retail sale. (You can get a bit more by filling up at night.)

    Has anybody ever seen a pump that changes price according to the temperature? Has anybody ever gotten a discount because the weather was hot? Does anybody actually avoid buying gas when it's hot, because of this?

    /rant


    They'll sue for anything.
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    Jan 18, 2012 2:56 AM GMT
    Stan904 saidWe shouldn't be using fossil fuels in the first place.


    Why not? How do you reach this conclusion?
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    Jan 18, 2012 3:45 AM GMT
    JackNWNJ said
    Stan904 saidWe shouldn't be using fossil fuels in the first place.


    Why not? How do you reach this conclusion?


    Drill, baby... drill.

    And harvest and convert methane Clathrates.

    And open up the ANWR before the Chinese and Russians slant-drill the oil out from underneath us.

    And while all that is going on, build out those solar concentrator farms that cover a 10,000 sq. km grid in the southwestern deserts (fuck those fuckin' nasty ass gila monsters and sajuaro cacti).

    And build out orbital solar platforms that can convert Van Allen radiation into powerful microwave beams (cancer schmancer) and Tesla Collectors that can be floated into the paths of hurricanes to collect lightning strikes...
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    Jan 18, 2012 3:52 AM GMT
    The gasoline reservoirs are deep underground, where the temperature is fairly constant. So the thermal expansion thing is sorta bunk. Even if the temps do fluctuate, it's so miniscule that you're hardly getting ripped off.

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    Jan 18, 2012 5:26 AM GMT
    OP missed the point. The suit surrounds retail outlets not calibrating & adjusting retail sales of gasoline when you fill up on days when the temp is hot. The adjustment is made on the whole sale side but not for the consumer. I agree with the lawsuit. Too bad more companies haven't been sued. And as for the idea that they drive prices higher. Hardly. Most companies have insurance for things like that.
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    Jan 18, 2012 6:20 AM GMT
    xrichx saidThe gasoline reservoirs are deep underground, where the temperature is fairly constant. So the thermal expansion thing is sorta bunk. Even if the temps do fluctuate, it's so miniscule that you're hardly getting ripped off.



    The expansion is a big enough deal that oil companies pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for software to track those numbers because of how they really care about the exact amount of chemicals being bought and sold.

    It may not make a difference for the average consumer, but if you're something like a truck driver then you'd likely be spending such huge amounts of money on gasoline that it could add up. Really with the technology available to the average gas station, there isn't much reason for them to not track this sort of thing and affect their prices accordingly.
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    Jan 18, 2012 6:30 AM GMT
    tanlejos said
    My appliances all run on the power of prayer..


    Lol!
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    Jan 18, 2012 7:14 AM GMT
    Should the occasion ever arise that you have cause to settle a matter in court, remember that you always have the option to represent yourself, FOR FREE.
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    Jan 18, 2012 7:21 AM GMT
    JackNWNJ said
    Stan904 saidWe shouldn't be using fossil fuels in the first place.


    Why not? How do you reach this conclusion?





    As you know, burning fossil fuels pollutes the air that we breathe, and depletes the ozone, causing global warming, melting ice caps, and rising oceans.
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    Jan 18, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    Ryan_Andrew saidOP missed the point. The suit surrounds retail outlets not calibrating & adjusting retail sales of gasoline when you fill up on days when the temp is hot. The adjustment is made on the whole sale side but not for the consumer. I agree with the lawsuit. Too bad more companies haven't been sued. And as for the idea that they drive prices higher. Hardly. Most companies have insurance for things like that.


    No, you miss both of the points.

    1. Do the math. Except in the most extreme cases, there is no measurable difference to the consumer. Retail outlets set their prices according to the price they paid for the last tanker load of fuel. The temperature in the underground tanks does not change enough during the course of a day for any measurable difference in a retail sale.

    2. The alleged victims of this and other similar suits are not compensated in any meaningful way. It's purely a profit-making venture for unscrupulous law firms.

    Insurance sometimes covers claims like this, but often it does not. And business liability insurance is not cheap. I personally pay around $8000 a year for it.