Obama Rejects Keystone?

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    Jan 18, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
    http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/18/10181927-obama-set-to-reject-keystone-oil-pipeline

    If this turns out to be true, he must be defeated. He's doing irreparable harm to this country. I would 'almost' vote for Ron Paul over Obama
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    Jan 19, 2012 10:26 AM GMT
    One view is Obama made a deal with the unions. He would reject the pipeline in return for stuffing the NLRB with union stooges. This will also become a huge campaign issue on energy independence from the mid-east. As the price of gas goes up this summer, it will be Obama's gas and he will be slammed as an election issue.
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    Jan 19, 2012 11:21 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidAs a Canadian, disappointed....as much because this isn't going to change the production of oil one iota...just where it goes. And now the infrastructure will be built to ship this oil to Asian and South Asian markets. I personally would have preferred that America get more of its oil from us and less from the Middle East.

    I only hope Canada can delay making other commitments until the politics changes in the US, and this will be one factor motivating that change.

    Trump's comments:
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1400888333001/trump-on-obama-and-keystone-absolutely-disgraceful/?playlist_id=86857
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    Jan 19, 2012 11:54 AM GMT
    Republican political games

    Oooooh the outrage ....... Where was all this indignation when Bush was emptying out the treasury boys?

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    Jan 19, 2012 4:37 PM GMT
    GQjock saidRepublican political games

    Oooooh the outrage ....... Where was all this indignation when Bush was emptying out the treasury boys?




    This thread isn't about Bush...in fact, Bush is soooooo 2008...Get with the program. Obama had a chance to move our energy program forward but didn't take it. One almost wonders if he's actually in cohorts with the middle east.
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    Jan 19, 2012 4:48 PM GMT
    i think it would have been different if it wasn't an "all or nothing" proposition, and if there had been more time 2 take comments, view/understand the rammifications, and if it hadn't become politicized.

    there's a lot at stake here, i want 2 know more b4 i either support or oppose it. (yes, i've read about Keystone, not extensively, but at least enough 2 want 2 know more b4 deciding.)
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    Jan 19, 2012 5:53 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock saidRepublican political games

    Oooooh the outrage ....... Where was all this indignation when Bush was emptying out the treasury boys?




    This thread isn't about Bush...in fact, Bush is soooooo 2008...Get with the program. Obama had a chance to move our energy program forward but didn't take it. One almost wonders if he's actually in cohorts with the middle east.


    Umm.. Dude? The Middle East?
    This was a set up by McConnel and crew
    And is this election cycles ... "Drill Baby Drill"
    This was not set to be decided upon until AFTER the election because it needed to be studied environmentally and checked out on its feasibility
    The company that was set to make the pipeline has not yet reported on taking it through Nebraska

    But the republicans never miss a political opportunity
    So they pushed up the date to THIS Feb .... AND put it into a NEED TO PASS appropriations bill

    And so you know... This ISN'T about Bush ... It's about the phony concern republicans have for jobs in this country and where that concern was when we were hemorrhaging jobs during the last administration
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    Jan 19, 2012 6:24 PM GMT
    I normally don't cross post, but this is too important of an issue

    So every time the economy starts to boom, up goes oil prices thank to commodity speculators/traders. Since that’s global nothing we can control or legislate, the only thing we can control are available supplies. There are monster untapped reserves here in North America. The Canadian supplies are going to get consumed someplace in the world so how about right here in the USA and Canada? Oil prices were the trigger in 2007 and 2008 that caused the current crash as had happened as a result of oil shock 1 in 1973 (Yom Kippur war) and oil shock 2 in 1979 (the Iranian revolution) followed by very serious recessions. Not saying that the bubble wasn’t going to burst at some point anyway as happens about every seven or eight years, but this made it worse. We’ll never have a relatively stable economy or healthy recovery until we get some stability in oil prices and some localized control in supply.

    I could support everything else Obama says or does, which of course I don’t, but I would vote for someone else just because of this one issue.
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    Jan 19, 2012 6:38 PM GMT
    GQjock said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock saidRepublican political games

    Oooooh the outrage ....... Where was all this indignation when Bush was emptying out the treasury boys?




    This thread isn't about Bush...in fact, Bush is soooooo 2008...Get with the program. Obama had a chance to move our energy program forward but didn't take it. One almost wonders if he's actually in cohorts with the middle east.


    Umm.. Dude? The Middle East?
    This was a set up by McConnel and crew
    And is this election cycles ... "Drill Baby Drill"
    This was not set to be decided upon until AFTER the election because it needed to be studied environmentally and checked out on its feasibility
    The company that was set to make the pipeline has not yet reported on taking it through Nebraska

    But the republicans never miss a political opportunity
    So they pushed up the date to THIS Feb .... AND put it into a NEED TO PASS appropriations bill

    And so you know... This ISN'T about Bush ... It's about the phony concern republicans have for jobs in this country and where that concern was when we were hemorrhaging jobs during the last administration





    Wrong wrong wrong again. As usual you're more interested in making some biased snide comment than actually focusing on the real topic here and that topic is the U.S.A.'s energy dependence. It's been a huge problem in not just this administration but several before it who talk the big game about an energy policy that will ween us off of dependence on foreign oil, and yet we really never quite make the tough decisions needed to get there. This Keystone thing is a prime example, and the whole "environmental" excuse is one great big cop out to keep us from pulling out all the stops and moving this country balls-to-the-wall towards energy independence.
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    Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    Even some of the democrats are quite unhappy

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/keystone-pipeline-obama-blocking/2012/01/19/id/424770
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    Jan 20, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    And the Canadians are quite unhappy.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-19/canada-pledges-to-sell-oil-to-asia-after-obama-rejects-keystone-pipeline.html

    Obama deserves to lose just over this. I do hope that the Canadians will wait until we get one of our fine Republican candidates in the Whitehouse.
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    Jan 20, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock saidRepublican political games

    Oooooh the outrage ....... Where was all this indignation when Bush was emptying out the treasury boys?




    This thread isn't about Bush...in fact, Bush is soooooo 2008...Get with the program. Obama had a chance to move our energy program forward but didn't take it. One almost wonders if he's actually in cohorts with the middle east.


    Umm.. Dude? The Middle East?
    This was a set up by McConnel and crew
    And is this election cycles ... "Drill Baby Drill"
    This was not set to be decided upon until AFTER the election because it needed to be studied environmentally and checked out on its feasibility
    The company that was set to make the pipeline has not yet reported on taking it through Nebraska

    But the republicans never miss a political opportunity
    So they pushed up the date to THIS Feb .... AND put it into a NEED TO PASS appropriations bill

    And so you know... This ISN'T about Bush ... It's about the phony concern republicans have for jobs in this country and where that concern was when we were hemorrhaging jobs during the last administration





    Wrong wrong wrong again. As usual you're more interested in making some biased snide comment than actually focusing on the real topic here and that topic is the U.S.A.'s energy dependence. It's been a huge problem in not just this administration but several before it who talk the big game about an energy policy that will ween us off of dependence on foreign oil, and yet we really never quite make the tough decisions needed to get there. This Keystone thing is a prime example, and the whole "environmental" excuse is one great big cop out to keep us from pulling out all the stops and moving this country balls-to-the-wall towards energy independence.


    Lol... Your saying three times doesn't make you right about the topic
    You are completely missing what I said
    Which is that the republicans are playing political games with this
    The project WAS NOT TO BE FINISHED BEING STUDIED until after the election
    The republicans in the House and Srnate moved up the date for the decision IRRESPECTIVE that the company involved did not provide the sufficient information needed to make a decision

    So you need to take your stuttering partisanship and stow it for a while UNTIL the needed information is finally given

    As far as the "snide" remarks go .... Yes they are snide ... And why?
    Because I can ..... If republicans provide the fodder for my snidetty them I'm sure as hell gonna go for it. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 20, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidEven some of the democrats are quite unhappy

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/keystone-pipeline-obama-blocking/2012/01/19/id/424770

    If Obama is defeated, I think many Democrats will speak up voicing their dissatisfaction with him, and the whole progressive wing of the party will be in retreat.
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    Jan 22, 2012 7:37 AM GMT
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/01/20/keystone_madness__112829.html
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    Jan 22, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    freedomisntfree saidEven some of the democrats are quite unhappy

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/keystone-pipeline-obama-blocking/2012/01/19/id/424770

    If Obama is defeated, I think many Democrats will speak up voicing their dissatisfaction with him, and the whole progressive wing of the party will be in retreat.


    Lol.... I love your Pollyanna-ishness

    You Are aware that Newt Gingrich has won South Carolina?
    And you must know that for five Presidential races that State has predicted the winner of the nomination

    Go Newtster. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 22, 2012 4:50 PM GMT
    The pipeline is supposed to come through my state (Nebraska) and go through our delicate sandhills area. In fact several landowners where the pipeline was slated to run take my spin class. They are very conservative yet still wary about the pipeline. There are environmental concerns about the disruption of the cattle land during the construction, how much soil is going to be displaced in the sandhill and plans to restore it once construction is finished. There are also compensation concerns about use of the land. Granted this is fueled more by the compensation the windfarm people got (ongoing vs one-time payment).

    I believe our state has put in accountability clauses and discussed rerouting the pipeline. Our biggest concern is that pretty much the whole state sits atop the Ogalala aquifer. Should there be some catastrophe and the pipeline fail and/or leak, we don't know what damage would be done. The only assurace we have is that "it won't fail."
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    Jan 22, 2012 4:56 PM GMT
    Anomalous said, "The only assurace we have is that "it won't fail.""

    Uh oh. Brace yourself before scrolling down to the US list in the 21st century


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents
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    Jan 22, 2012 5:45 PM GMT
    Anomalous saidThe pipeline is supposed to come through my state (Nebraska) and go through our delicate sandhills area. In fact several landowners where the pipeline was slated to run take my spin class. They are very conservative yet still wary about the pipeline. There are environmental concerns about the disruption of the cattle land during the construction, how much soil is going to be displaced in the sandhill and plans to restore it once construction is finished. There are also compensation concerns about use of the land. Granted this is fueled more by the compensation the windfarm people got (ongoing vs one-time payment).

    I believe our state has put in accountability clauses and discussed rerouting the pipeline. Our biggest concern is that pretty much the whole state sits atop the Ogalala aquifer. Should there be some catastrophe and the pipeline fail and/or leak, we don't know what damage would be done. The only assurace we have is that "it won't fail."


    Everyone's a NIMBY when it comes to something like this. We have it all the time here in a 80+% Repub area. Yep, they're all pro development until it cuts across their back yard. Problem is that somehow someway we have to get stuff like this done and absolutely Keystone.
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    Jan 22, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
    meninlove said Anomalous said, "The only assurace we have is that "it won't fail.""

    Uh oh. Brace yourself before scrolling down to the US list in the 21st century


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents
    and therein lies the nub. icon_twisted.gif

    We have the same assurance that fracking could not contaminate aquafers.
    icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 22, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
    Obama says no to the Keystone oil pipeline from northern Alberta, Canada. Oh well, an opportunity to create hundreds even thousands of good paying jobs working on this pipeline just go up in smoke thanks to all the extremist enviro whackos and their endless propaganda. I hope Canada just says forget it. We will take our business and resources elsewhere. Canada would probably get more money selling their oil to China and even India rather than piping it into the ungrateful US. This would be a golden opportunity for Canada to become much less economically dependent on the US and develop closer economic relations with other countries. Probably it is time that Canada dropped the US as its largest trading partner and started marketing its resources and products to other countries. It would most likely be better off in the long run.
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    Jan 22, 2012 7:22 PM GMT
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    The EPA (that's the Environmental Protection Agency for some of our slower liberal friends here) approved the pipeline.

    You stated that several times last week.. and you were PROVEN to be wrong.. quit playing games, liar. Everyone here, to include the conservatives are tired of your constant lying. You make them look like fools.. Its not a wonder why THEY ignore you as well.
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    Jan 22, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
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    meninlove said Anomalous said, "The only assurace we have is that "it won't fail.""

    Uh oh. Brace yourself before scrolling down to the US list in the 21st century


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents
    and therein lies the nub. icon_twisted.gif

    We have the same assurance that fracking could not contaminate aquafers.
    icon_wink.gif


    those no good mother frackers!
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    Jan 22, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
    http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Energy+revival+fuels+another+boom/5918015/story.html