Bomb Iran Now

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    Jan 18, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/01/18/iran-threatens-us-persian-gulf-cities-with-missile-attacks
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    Jan 19, 2012 12:15 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/01/18/iran-threatens-us-persian-gulf-cities-with-missile-attacks


    So you're pissed off that a sovereign nation threatened to launch missiles at us because WE threatened to bomb THEM first? Your conservative militaristic mindset is amazing.
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    Jan 19, 2012 12:19 AM GMT
    isrred said
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/01/18/iran-threatens-us-persian-gulf-cities-with-missile-attacks


    So you're pissed off that a sovereign nation threatened to launch missiles at us because WE threatened to bomb THEM first? Your conservative militaristic mindset is amazing.


    No, not tomorrow, NOW !!!

    btw, thanks
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    Jan 19, 2012 12:42 AM GMT
    Bombing Iran is precisely the response the Iranians would like. It would:

    (i) Fail to prevent them developing nuclear weapons.
    (ii) Justify the need for nuclear weapons.
    (iii) Politically isolate the US.
    (iv) Consolidate the power of the Iranian dictators.
    (v) Kill lots of people (including, most likely, Americans)

    In contrast, the Iranian position has never been weaker. It has no allies now that Syria is collapsing, and faces strong sanctions from the US, EU, etc. The regime faces simmering hatred from opposition forces within the country—which would disappear if bombed—and is internally divided.

    The US has an unexpectedly strong hand right now, and would be extremely foolish to squander it. Really, you are too stupid for words.
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    Jan 19, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidBombing Iran is precisely the response the Iranians would like. It would:

    (i) Fail to prevent them developing nuclear weapons.
    (ii) Justify the need for nuclear weapons.
    (iii) Politically isolate the US.
    (iv) Consolidate the power of the Iranian dictators.
    (v) Kill lots of people (including, most likely, Americans)

    In contrast, the Iranian position has never been weaker. It has no allies now that Syria is collapsing, and faces strong sanctions from the US, EU, etc. The regime faces simmering hatred from opposition forces within the country—which would disappear if bombed—and is internally divided.

    The US has an unexpectedly strong hand right now, and would be extremely foolish to squander it. Really, you are too stupid for words.

    and as always!


    Not tomorrow, TODAY ! Bombs away
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    Jan 19, 2012 12:47 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said

    Not tomorrow, TODAY ! Bombs away


    Do you hate America?
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    Jan 19, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    freedomisntfree said

    Not tomorrow, TODAY ! Bombs away


    Do you hate America?


    Bomb Iran now!
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    Jan 19, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    TigerTim said
    freedomisntfree said

    Not tomorrow, TODAY ! Bombs away


    Do you hate America?


    Bomb Iran now!


    Why are you a traitor to the United States, seeking to damage the national interest?
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    Jan 19, 2012 12:50 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    freedomisntfree said
    TigerTim said
    freedomisntfree said

    Not tomorrow, TODAY ! Bombs away


    Do you hate America?


    Bomb Iran now!


    Why are you a traitor to the United States, seeking to damage the national interest?


    NOW, not tomorrow



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    Jan 19, 2012 1:59 AM GMT
    Something's not getting through to you. Also the article you list is one year old.

    The article is full of speculation. Nowhere did Iran actually outright threaten to bomb anyone, even Israel, without provocation.
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    Jan 19, 2012 2:00 AM GMT
    Slightly different, but still there in its wholesome essence.


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    isrred said
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/01/18/iran-threatens-us-persian-gulf-cities-with-missile-attacks


    So you're pissed off that a sovereign nation threatened to launch missiles at us because WE threatened to bomb THEM first? Your conservative militaristic mindset is amazing.




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    I totally agree with you isrred !!


    This FreedomGeezer rhetoric is typical of the far right Christian Fundi's (Christian Talaban probably fits better when the fundi's promote war)

    For some reason in their Ideology the bible text "that nation that blesses Israel shall be blessed of god" means they should give 'Carte Blanche" to anything Israel wants. Its no secret and commonly know that Israel's Neo Con / Lobby AIPAC is pushing for this war with Iran, just like the same group did with Iraq.


    Looks like I needto dig up my list of those who led us to war with Iraq again, which exposes these Neo Con Dual Israeli/American Nationals who represent 41 out of Bush's 54 member War Administration.

    Do the GOOGLE on that one FreedomGeezer. Test out some facts for a change and see how successfull these Neo Con Ideas were on the Iraq war.


    Frankly FreedomGeezer, if your really serious about this, your a frigging idiot to make such a suggestion with all the deaths and world chaos such an action would bring about.
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    Jan 19, 2012 2:12 AM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidAnother incisive discourse on world affairs.
    easy to dance to
    i give it a seven.

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    Isn't it though?

    I'm kinda that age so I have to say maybe top 10
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    Jan 19, 2012 4:18 AM GMT
    No offense, freedomisntfree, but I'm glad that your political mindset is going the way of the dinosaur as far as conservatism goes. If the trend for conservatives is to follow the Ron Paul lead (if we look at how younger Republicans/Conservatives view US international policies), then I foresee the United States having a lot less issues with the Middle East.
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    Jan 19, 2012 4:49 AM GMT
    creature saidNo offense, freedomisntfree, but I'm glad that your political mindset is going the way of the dinosaur as far as conservatism goes. If the trend for conservatives is to follow the Ron Paul lead (if we look at how younger Republicans/Conservatives view US international policies), then I foresee the United States having a lot less issues with the Middle East.






    Well creature, I did a GOOGLE on John T Bennet, looked at the article and Cantor's name showed up, also read a lot of negative comments at the end of the article bringing up a whole lot of good information FreedomGeezer loves to ignore when I point it out.


    Take a look at John T Bennet's long list of Far Right Pro Israel Articles that the Israeli Lobby AIPAC must be very proud of. Turns out Bennet and of course Cantor are nothing but AIPAC shills.

    William Bennet was one of the Neo Cons in the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) who led us to war with Iraq and are now trying to lead us to war with Iran. Haven't found out if these two Bennets are related yet, but their MO's are the same.


    Whenever you read a pro Iran war article, do a google search on the author and those they quote and it usually leads to the same group of Neo Cons. There's a set agenda and it doesn't serve the interests of the US, but it does serve the desires of the Neo Con Israeli Lobby AiPAC.

    I say, if Israel wants any more god damn wars let them fight them and stop trying to involve our young men in the military. If congress wasn't so controled by the lobby and this was our Policy as Paul suggests, I think we'd be seeing and hearing a lot less Neo Con Sabre Rattling, Israel may just start seeing it as more valuable to make peace with its neighbors too. But the way it is now the US is supporting its military adventurism and policing the Illegal Settlements so they are happy in the Status Quo.

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    Jan 19, 2012 5:10 AM GMT
    creature saidNo offense, freedomisntfree, but I'm glad that your political mindset is going the way of the dinosaur as far as conservatism goes. If the trend for conservatives is to follow the Ron Paul lead (if we look at how younger Republicans/Conservatives view US international policies), then I foresee the United States having a lot less issues with the Middle East.


    Actually, I AM a dinosaur and if not a dinosaur, certainly a reptile. No really, it’s impossible to offend me, but it is possible to offend those who aren’t here to defend themselves. And I think it’s always been true that youngins are isolationists or at least non interventionist until they been around long enough to see the result of inaction.

    Me though …. I an unabashed GODDAMN FAR RIGHT FUNDI TALIBAN NEO COM TEA BAGGER !!!

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    Jan 19, 2012 6:24 AM GMT
    commoncoll saidNowhere did Iran actually outright threaten to bomb anyone, even Israel, without provocation.

    True... provided that you overlook that Israel's existence is itself a "provocation".

    Aside from comments dating back to Khomeini about destroying Israel,
    Ahmadinejad (speaking at, of all places, the UN):
    the countdown to Israel's destruction had begun.

    As well as:
    Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury


    Nonetheless, TigerTim makes some good points regarding Timing.
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    Jan 19, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
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    commoncoll saidNowhere did Iran actually outright threaten to bomb anyone, even Israel, without provocation.

    True... provided that you overlook that Israel's existence is itself a "provocation".

    Aside from comments dating back to Khomeini about destroying Israel,
    Ahmadinejad (speaking at, of all places, the UN):
    the countdown to Israel's destruction had begun.

    As well as:
    Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury


    Nonetheless, TigerTim makes some good points regarding Timing.








    LIL'AIPAC the statement that you Israel Firsters love to quote from Amajinadad (sp?) about destroying israel "Israel should be wiped off the map" is a total and purposely mistranslation.

    DO THE GOOGLE on it and you find I am right. Why do you people think the public is so damn stupid that we cannot read and verify what you Neo Cons are up to in pushing this statement to forward your third war since 2000' ?


    Take a look at the article "PRESSURE ISRAEL, NOT IRAN" by Marjorie Cohn on Common Dreams. org She is currently a professor at Thamas Jefferson School of Law, past president of the National Lawyers Guild,


    She writes: "NeoCons in Israel and the US are escalating their rehtoric to prepare us for war with Iran. Even the infamouse joh Yoo, architect of G W Bush's illegal torture and spying programs, is calling on the Republican presidential candidates to "Begin preparing the case for a military strike to destroy Iran's Nuclear Program"

    "Under the 1968 Nuclear Non proliferation Treat, Iran has the legal right to produce nuclear power for peaceful purposes. The IAEA has found no evidence that Iran is developing a Nuclear weapons program. Leon Panetta recently said on CBS that Iran is not currently trying to build a Nuclear Weapon."

    Do a GOOGLE search for the truth LIL'AIPAC and stop spouting your damn Isreal firster lies. ISRAEL IS DOING BY FAR THE MOST THREATENING and Israel, I might add have refused to submit their Nuke bomb program to inspection while demanding that Iran submit their peaceful energy oriented program to inspection.

    Don't worry about the sliver in another persons eye when you have log in your own.


    Reader, look this stuff up and its easy to see that the NeoCon Israeli Lobby are the ones pushing for this war, the very same group who pushed for war with Iraq, which was based on trumped up lies, just like this current list of lies and exagerations. They have led us to enough failed wars, if Israel is stupid enough to continue their terrorist activities of killing of Irans Scientists and go start a war with Iran, then let them do it. But keep your damn lobby out of our halls of congress, because the US does not need another war and I for one don't want anymore US Soldiers dieing for Israeli NeoCons wars.
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    Jan 19, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    As noted, the regime in Teheran has been threatening to destroy Israel (and others) for more than 30 years.

    Something which was not lost on the current President:

    Ahmadinejad> Our dear Imam [Khomeini] ordered that this Jerusalem occupying regime [Israel] must be erased from the page of time. This was a very wise statement.

    Beware idiots who make a red-herring about "translation", as if it matters what idiom was used regarding destruction. (I personally prefer to translate the above as "removed from the timeline" [if you're not a Trekker or sci fi geek, forget it.]

    Indeed, when this was said the Iranian foreign office was baffled why people were confused or asking for confirmation. As Iran's Foreign Minister explained there was no change in Iranian policy, that Ahmadinejad was quoting Khomeini:

    Mottaki> The late Imam, right after the 1979 revolution, announced that Iran did not acknowledge the Zionist regime [Israel]... The comments expressed by the president is the declared and specific policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran.


    Of course, useful idiot apologists rush in to claim that Ahmadinejad isn't really in charge, the Supreme Leader is. (This is odd because the same propagandists argue that Iran is a democracy with a properly elected leader.) But what says the current Ayatollah?

    Khamenei> It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.

    Again, such utternaces have characterized the extremist Iranian religious regime for decades.
    Who but an illiterate barking dog would attempt to deny these facts?
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    Caesarea4 saidAs noted, the regime in Teheran has been threatening to destroy Israel (and others) for more than 30 years.

    Something which was not lost on the current President:

    Ahmadinejad> Our dear Imam [Khomeini] ordered that this Jerusalem occupying regime [Israel] must be erased from the page of time. This was a very wise statement.

    Beware idiots who make a red-herring about "translation", as if it matters what idiom was used regarding destruction. (I personally prefer to translate the above as "removed from the timeline" [if you're not a Trekker or sci fi geek, forget it.]

    Indeed, when this was said the Iranian foreign office was baffled why people were confused or asking for confirmation. As Iran's Foreign Minister explained there was no change in Iranian policy, that Ahmadinejad was quoting Khomeini:

    Mottaki> The late Imam, right after the 1979 revolution, announced that Iran did not acknowledge the Zionist regime [Israel]... The comments expressed by the president is the declared and specific policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran.


    Of course, useful idiot apologists rush in to claim that Ahmadinejad isn't really in charge, the Supreme Leader is. (This is odd because the same propagandists argue that Iran is a democracy with a properly elected leader.) But what says the current Ayatollah?

    Khamenei> It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.

    Again, such utternaces have characterized the extremist Iranian religious regime for decades.
    Who but an illiterate barking dog would attempt to deny these facts?

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    Where's your proof LIL'AIPAC ? all you've written above is Israeli AIPAC talking points, that proves not a damn thing.


    Do the GOOGLE search LIL'AIPAC and get your facts straight !



    The likes of you NeoCons and Israeli Lobby AIPAC are nothing but the same old shit pushing yet another war on the US, JUST LIKE WITH IRAQ, your ilk is doing the same damn thing, Isolating statements to make them look far more ominous than their reality, misinterpreting purposely, stretching every issue and matter that you possibly can for yet another war. All the while Israel is doing far more threatening to Iran than the reverse.

    WE LEARNED ALL WE NEED TO FROM YOUR ILK'S TYPICAL TACTICS FROM THE WAR YOUR GROUPS LED US INTO WITH IRAQ

    I am with Ron Paul, If Israel wants a war let them take it on their own without dragging the US into it. Further, all we are getting for our 3 to 4 billion a year of wasted tax dollars to Israel is support for more settlement building, build up to yet another war, this one with Iran and one hell of a lot of Isolation from the international community because of our religious fanatic based 'Carte Blanche' adherence to Israeli AIPAC/NeoCon wish lists. Its high time this pathetic allowing of dual national influence on our foreign policy ends, because its those groups that have COST THE US TRILLIONS IN WAR EXPENSES.

    Verify what I write by GOOGLING the subjects, These are facts that are imparative to pay attention to.



    Reed the article on CommonDreams.org titled PRESSURE ISRAEL NOT IRAN, the facts are laid out very plainly there on Israel's role in pushing the US to war through the far right NeoCons and Israeli Lobby AIPAC
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    Jan 20, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
    1. It's funny how unable to address anything I said, RLD simply repeated his anti-Israel talking points. It's no wonder he's one of the most ignored people on this site. You've read one post... you've read 'em all. I started the new year by removing everyong from my ignore list, but it looks like it's time to put him back on it.

    2. Likewise it's funny that RLD keeps barking to "GOOGLE search"... and yet is limited to referencing one article on one site.
    Perhaps he should follow his own advice and collect more data prior to forming his ignorant opinions?
    Or is he only interested in "data" that conforms to his biases?

    Let's review. This is where we started:

    commoncoll> Nowhere did Iran actually outright threaten to bomb anyone, even Israel, without provocation.

    3. So I pointed out that Iranian leaders said:

    Ahmadinejad> the countdown to Israel's destruction had begun.

    Ahmadinejad> Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury

    In response to which we received this idiocy:

    RLD> [you] love to quote from Amajinadad (sp?) about destroying israel "Israel should be wiped off the map" is a total and purposely mistranslation.

    4. Except that I hadn't quoted that statement at all, I quoted two other such statements.
    (Sorry that what I said didn't conform to your talking points and that you decided to spew them regardless.)

    5. Who do you think it was who "purposely mistranslat[ed]" this?
    Perhaps you are ignorant that the "wipe of the map" translation was provided by IRIB News?
    Thats Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, the Iranian state-controlled news agency!!
    (This before anyone in the West had even heard of the story!)

    6. Since RLD mentioned it, I showed that while the idiom wasn't translated word-for-word, the meaning wasn't changed:
    That is, his "mistranslation" charge, aside from being wrong, was a red herring.

    Ahmadinejad> Our dear Imam [Khomeini] ordered that this Jerusalem occupying regime [Israel] must be erased from the page of time. This was a very wise statement.

    7. I further pointed out that the Iranian Foreign Minister, baffled why there was controversy, confirmed that:

    Mottaki> The comments expressed by the president is the declared and specific policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

    8. And I showed that the current Supreme Leader has made such statements:

    Khamenei> It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.

    If you can't address these points, there's no need for you to thunder barbarically.
    Unless, that is, your prejudice is so pathological that you can't stop yourself from repeating your talking points a 3rd time.

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    Jan 20, 2012 1:32 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 said1. It's funny how unable to address anything I said, RLD simply repeated his anti-Israel talking points. It's no wonder he's one of the most ignored people on this site. You've read one post... you've read 'em all. I started the new year by removing everyong from my ignore list, but it looks like it's time to put him back on it.

    2. Likewise it's funny that RLD keeps barking to "GOOGLE search"... and yet is limited to referencing one article on one site.
    Perhaps he should follow his own advice and collect more data prior to forming his ignorant opinions?
    Or is he only interested in "data" that conforms to his biases?

    Let's review. This is where we started:

    commoncoll> Nowhere did Iran actually outright threaten to bomb anyone, even Israel, without provocation.

    3. So I pointed out that Iranian leaders said:

    Ahmadinejad> the countdown to Israel's destruction had begun.

    Ahmadinejad> Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury

    In response to which we received this idiocy:

    RLD> [you] love to quote from Amajinadad (sp?) about destroying israel "Israel should be wiped off the map" is a total and purposely mistranslation.

    4. Except that I hadn't quoted that statement at all, I quoted two other such statements.
    (Sorry that what I said didn't conform to your talking points and that you decided to spew them regardless.)

    5. Who do you think it was who "purposely mistranslat[ed]" this?
    Perhaps you are ignorant that the "wipe of the map" translation was provided by IRIB News?
    Thats Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, the Iranian state-controlled news agency!!
    (This before anyone in the West had even heard of the story!)

    6. Since RLD mentioned it, I showed that while the idiom wasn't translated word-for-word, the meaning wasn't changed:
    That is, his "mistranslation" charge, aside from being wrong, was a red herring.

    Ahmadinejad> Our dear Imam [Khomeini] ordered that this Jerusalem occupying regime [Israel] must be erased from the page of time. This was a very wise statement.

    7. I further pointed out that the Iranian Foreign Minister, baffled why there was controversy, confirmed that:

    Mottaki> The comments expressed by the president is the declared and specific policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

    8. And I showed that the current Supreme Leader has made such statements:

    Khamenei> It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.

    If you can't address these points, there's no need for you to thunder barbarically.
    Unless, that is, your prejudice is so pathological that you can't stop yourself from repeating your talking points a 3rd time.


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    LIL'AIPAC -- rBlah Blah Fucking Blah with you damn NeoCon Israeli Lobby talking points, that is all they are


    Did you read the facts from the site ?


    The point to the article is that the NeoCon/Israeli Lobby is pushing the US toward war and because of this pressure WEAK spined Obama and the bought a paid for Congress is going along for the money and for the votes because the American Christian Fundi's think according to their bible it is our duty to "bless Israel to receive a blessing"


    Read the article and tell us what the New York Times Friedman had to say about congress being 'bought and paid for'.. Go ahead Read it



    Above you imply or shall I say install the word "Israel" as being what was meant by "Regime". Who gave you permission to apply Israel as what the Irani Religious leader meant by "Regime". If he spoke of getting rid of a regime, that's what he meant, no the entirety of Jerusalem.



    Read the article and stop all the wordy nonsense to try and confuse the issue that ISRAEL's LOBBY AIPAC and the DUAL NATIONAL NEO CON's are now pushing for war with Iran and that this is the same group of people who pushed for war with Iraq. The will stretch the truth, they will misinterpret and exagerate what was said and whatever else it takes to get us to take on yet another war for Israel, just as they did with Iraq. We learned the lesson the first time around and don't need to repeat the same damn mistake.


    Remember LIL'AIPAC the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)was primarily made up of dual nationals of Israel who wanted war with Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran, the bush administration was made up of this group and other like minded NeoCons and amounted to 41 dual nationals in his 54 person war administration, this group of NeoCons accomplished two wars under Bush and he wouldn't go along with taking on Iran too. The PNAC was disbanded in disgrace after the failure of the Iraq war, but now tleftovers of this same damn group want to finish their plan by pushing for war with Iran.


    Prove to us that these Dual Nationals (Israeli/US citizens) weren't behind these wars? GIVE US THE PROOF

    THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT GOING TO WAR WITH IRAN, the party's I've mentioned are who led us to war and who are now pushing for more war. We don't need Israeli's damn war. Were it not for these dual nationals there would not have been a war with Iraq, nore would there be a push for war with Iran, this pressure for war with Iran is a direct result of Dual nationals influence and propaganda.


    Do the GOOGLE on who led us to war and on who is pushing for war now with Iran. Ron Paul is exactly right, if Israel wants a war, by god let them handle it, but keep your Lobby AIPAC out of the halls of congress with their pushing for us to take on their war for them. If you Israeli's want to die over a few trumped up threats from Iran, then go the hell ahead, but leave our soldiers out of it.



    While your checking out facts please do explain why Israel refuses to sign Nuclear treaties and refuses to open up its Neclear Programs to inspection. Is there something 'special' about Israel that it should operate under different rules than what it is pushing on Iran ? what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Lets have an answer to that one LIL'AIPAC, .




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    Jan 20, 2012 4:30 AM GMT
    If you can't address these points, there's no need for you to thunder barbarically.
    Unless, that is, your prejudice is so pathological that you can't stop yourself from repeating your talking points a 3rd time.


    Well, on he blunders:

    1. It's funny how unable to address anything I said, RLD simply repeated his anti-Israel talking points. It's no wonder he's one of the most ignored people on this site. You've read one post... you've read 'em all. I started the new year by removing everyong from my ignore list, but it looks like it's time to put him back on it.

    RLD> [Evidently senile - or blinded by hate - raises even more off-topic points.]

    Let's take a second to expose his underlying falsehood:

    RLD> Israel refuses to sign Nuclear treaties and refuses to open up its Neclear Programs to inspection. Is there something 'special' about Israel that it should operate under different rules than what it is pushing on Iran ?

    Signing the NPT is not required but is voluntary.
    Iran signed it and must abide by it.

    Contrary to your pathological lies, Iran ran an illegal nuclear enrichment facility for 18 years before it was caught. Now it is again violating its treaty obligations - much to the chagrin of the civilized world, except for you. Why? Because you are blinded by your hate for Israel.


    2. It's funny that RLD keeps barking to "GOOGLE search"... and yet is limited to referencing one article on one site.
    Perhaps he should follow his own advice and collect more data prior to forming his ignorant opinions?
    Or is he only interested in "data" that conforms to his biases?


    RLD> Did you read the facts from the site ?

    ROTFL.


    Let's review. This is where we started:

    commoncoll> Nowhere did Iran actually outright threaten to bomb anyone, even Israel, without provocation.

    3. In response, I pointed out that Iranian leaders said:

    Ahmadinejad> the countdown to Israel's destruction had begun.

    Ahmadinejad> Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury.


    To which we received this idiocy:

    RLD> [you] love to quote from Amajinadad (sp?) about destroying israel "Israel should be wiped off the map" is a total and purposely mistranslation.

    Note that RLD doesn't even attempt to dispute that Ahmadinejad said the above.
    (Maybe, afterall, he does know how to use Google.)


    4. Except that I hadn't quoted that statement at all, I quoted two other such statements.
    (Sorry that what I said didn't conform to your talking points and that you decided to spew them regardless.)


    RLD> [can't explain why he even brought that up]

    Guess it was just one of his mindless talking points.


    5. Who do you think it was who "purposely mistranslat[ed]" this?
    Perhaps you are ignorant that the "wipe of the map" translation was provided by IRIB News?
    Thats Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, the Iranian state-controlled news agency!!
    (This before anyone in the West had even heard of the story!)


    RLD> ?

    Incapable of learning, he'll continue to repeat his nonsense at every opportunity.
    Never even questioning his source which misled him.


    6. Since RLD mentioned it, I showed the idiom wasn't translated word-for-word but the meaning wasn't changed:
    That is, his "mistranslation" charge, aside from being wrong, was a red herring.

    Ahmadinejad> Our dear Imam [Khomeini] ordered that this Jerusalem occupying regime [Israel] must be erased from the page of time. This was a very wise statement.


    RLD> Above you imply or shall I say install the word "Israel" as being what was meant by "Regime".

    The usual idiocy piled atop of idoicy.

    6A. Israel is a democracy and is not ruled by a "regime". Do you really think Iran's intent is to "erase from time" a popularly elected government?! As if they distinguish between the Rabin, Peres, Barak, Olmert or Netanyahu governments?

    6B. More importantly, the official Iranian government policy not only doesn't recognize Israel - it won't even reference it by name, instead using euphemisms. Khomeini referenced the "Zionist entity". (They often also say "fake regime". Does that even mean anything?!)

    6C. Why does RLD attempt to twist this around?
    Because he cares not about the truth but only about his anti-Israel agenda.

    Lest there remain any doubt in sane minds, consider the words of Prof. Michael Axworthy. He was the Head of the Iran Section of Britain's Foreign and Commonwealth Office and then the director of the Centre for Persian and Iranian Studies at Exeter University. He succinctly confirms:
    The formula had been used before by Khomeini and others, and had been translated by representatives of the Iranian regime as 'wiped off the map.' Some of the dispute that has arisen over what exactly Ahmadinejad meant by it has been rather bogus. When the slogan appeared draped over missiles in military parades, that meaning was pretty clear.


    7. I further pointed out that the Iranian Foreign Minister, baffled why there was controversy, confirmed that:

    Mottaki> The comments expressed by the president is the declared and specific policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran.


    RLD> ?


    8. The current Supreme Leader has made such statements:

    Khamenei> It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.


    RLD> ?

    Lest you again attempt to play ignorant, let me add another statement:

    Khamenei> Iran's position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini] and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region."

    Is anyone, other than RLD [who is one post away from my putting him back on ignore] confused over what the Iranian government views as its "mission"?!

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    Well LIL'AIPAC I see you found your tired and worn out Anti Semitic Accusation to trott out again. LOL !! I don't think I one time said one word about one jew whom I didn't like or wanted to fail because of any assumptions about any jewish person. So where's the anti Semitism ? Give us Facts, not your accusations, not trumped up charges to distract.

    Do theGOOGLE on the word Anti Semitism, in the definition you will not find disagreeing with its Leadership actions, I can say as the Iranians have said, the Zionist "Regime" running Israel should be done away with and that is not an anti semitic phrase. T

    hat phrase does not show hate for jewish people, it does not say I want the state of Israel to be wiped off the map. Do you get that LIL'AIPAC ?


    This brings up another of your points which is the word "Regime", That means the Leadership, it does not mean the state of Israel or the City of Jerusalem in the state of Israel as you try to imply. Its pointless for you to state that Israel is a democracy as an excuse to use Israel for the word "Regime",

    Why again to you input the word israel for "Regime"? Its for you and your ilk to make it look like Iran's leaders whether Civil or religious want to destroy the state of Israel and that is not the case. Its a lie on your ilks part, Its what the NeoCons and the Israeli Lobby want people to believe so the populace and US leadership will go along with their wish for war with Iran. You quibble over other statements, but my dear LIL'AIPAC those that you quibble about are not good reasons to go to war with Iran which is the point to this whole topic.

    By the way, it makes no difference whether or not Iran will recognize Israel or not, does it hurt your ilks feelings? Is it good enough reason to promote war with Iran? Why does Israel care whether or not Irans Leaders recognize Israel? Israel exists and that is it, who gives a shit whether or not Iran recognizes any other state. I DON"T

    You've yet to say whether you read the article, DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE ABOUT "PRESSURE ISRAL NOT IRAN ?

    I get most of my information about Israels Actions against its neighbors from Israels HAARETZ NEWS, THE JEWISH DAILY FORWARD, I Do The GOOGLE on who led us to war with IRAQ and who is now pushing us to war with IRAN. HAVE YOU GOOGLED THESE SUBJECTS?

    Do you have a problem with the facts that NeoCon Israeli Dual Nationals and its Lobby AIPAC pushed for war? Do you have trouble admitting facts like this? IF THEY DIDN'T WHO DID ?

    Your effort to ridicurle my sourses fails miserably. Look at my list on the other topic, "THE HAWKS THAT LED US TO WAR WITH IRAQ AND ARE NOW PUSHING FOR WAR WITH IRAN" Check my list and see if you disagree with the facts. Listing those to blame for pushing us to war by the way is not anti semitic. It is however Pro US Citizens Interests over Israels


    Do give us a report on whether Israel or Iran has done the most threatening in regards to each other. GOOGLE that topic


    Now that we've run around your circle jerk attempt to prove that Iran has made about 5 derogatory statements and that they won't recognize Israel, is this really your Ilks reason to go to war with Iran? REALLY ? Are you fucking kidding me ? Is that all you NeoCons and the Israeli Lobby AIPAC have as your excuse for another worthless regime change like with Iraq?

    Again LIL'AIPAC, Read the list that I've posted of who led us to war with Iraq, many of whom are now pushing for war with Iran. Those people are in or affiliated with the Neo Con think tanks, (one of which was the PNAC) the Israeli Lobby AIPAC. 41 of their dual National ILK were actively leading Bush's 54 member war administration to war with Iraq, and many of those are now doing the same activities to push for war with Iran.

    War with Iran is the topic, Do you dispute that Israels leadership mostly made up of far right Likuds are pushing for the US to go to war with Iran ? Do you dispute that many of those same Dual Nationals I mention above that pushed us to war with Iraq are even now pushing for war with Iran ?

    You've refused to address these important facts behind this push for war, chosing rather to quibble over about 5 statements from Irans leadership, which are a piss poor excuse for going to war. Especially since Israel as pointed out in the above article ( you apparently haven't read)has done a lot more threatening toward Iran than the reverse.

    So why should our country the US put up with your dual nationals pushing us to war for their benefit? Do you agree that it is primarily the groups I point out that are pushing for war? If they aren't WHO IS PUSHING HARDER THAN ISRAELI DUAL NATIONALS ? GOOGEL it LIL'AIPAC because facts don't lie, IT IS THE ILK THAT YOU SUPPORT WHO ARE PUSHING FOR WAR. Example: As the New York Times writer Friedman said about Netanyahu's standing ovation "Congress is bought and paid for by the Israeli Lobby" and so it is with your ilk buying and paying for Congress support for yet another war, this go around they want it with Iran.


    Now if your afraid to just admit that what I expose is where the pressure for war is coming from, then go ahead and put me back on ignore. LOL Otherwise prove that some other major group are the ones pushing for war? DO TELL LIL'AIPAC we are certainly interested in your attempts to disprove the facts.

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    There he blows again!

    RLD> I see you found your tired and worn out Anti Semitic Accusation to trott out again

    Pretty amazing that you "see" that given that I made no mention of it.
    Guess you're just trotting out another of your vile talking points.
    Because you don't have the mental or intellectual capacity to engage in discussion.

    So let's summarize the points:

    1. Once again unable to address what was said, RLD resorted to his same old rant. As I said: It's no wonder he's one of the most ignored people on this site. You've read one post... you've read 'em all.

    RLD> Israel refuses to sign Nuclear treaties and refuses to open up its Neclear Programs to inspection. Is there something 'special' about Israel that it should operate under different rules than what it is pushing on Iran ?

    Signing the NPT is not required but is voluntary.
    Iran signed it and must abide by it.

    Contrary to your pathological lies, Iran ran an illegal nuclear enrichment facility for 18 years before it was caught. Now it is again violating its treaty obligations - much to the chagrin of the civilized world, except for you. Why? Because you are blinded by your hate for Israel.


    RLD> [flees]


    2. Despite encouraging use of search engines, RLD again references one article from one site - as if it has a monopoly on truth and no search engine is necessary.

    3. I have provided numerous statements by Iranian leaders threatening to destroy not just Israel but also "burn" other countries.
    RLD sticks his head in the sand.

    4. Instead he raises a bogus red herring that one other statement was "mistranslated".
    Guess that was just one of his mindless talking points.

    5. Then he invents that this alleged "mistranslation" was on "purpose".
    Ignorant that the "wipe off the map" translation was provided by IRIB News?
    That's Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, the Iranian state-controlled news agency!!

    Incapable of learning - or adjusting his talking points (let alone thoughts or model) to fit facts - he's still pushing the "mistranslation" conspiracy theory!

    6. Since RLD mentioned it, I showed the idiom wasn't translated word-for-word but the meaning wasn't changed:
    That is, his "mistranslation" charge, aside from being wrong, was a red herring.

    6A. Israel is a democracy and is not ruled by a "regime". Do you really think Iran's intent is to "erase from time" a popularly elected government?! As if they distinguish between the Rabin, Peres, Barak, Olmert or Netanyahu governments? RLD can't answer.

    6B. More importantly, the official Iranian government policy not only doesn't recognize Israel - it won't even reference it by name, instead using euphemisms. Khomeini referenced the "Zionist entity". (They often also say "fake regime". Does that even mean anything?!) RLD is again stuck so ignores this to persist with his senile rant.

    RLD> it makes no difference whether or not Iran will recognize Israel or not

    Whooosh! The point sails right over his head. The point was to show that Iranian leaders generally use euphemisms rather than say "Israel". Not because they don't mean Israel - as Iranian government sources have themselves translated and explained.

    RLD> Is it good enough reason to promote war with Iran?

    6C. Where have I promoted war with Iran?
    Just another idiotic talking point.

    My comments were addressed to someone who claimed Iran hadn't threatened anyone.
    In your blind blood-lust rage, did you miss my response to Tiger Tim?

    6D. Why do you ignore decades of Iranian warfare against Israel & Jews?
    Supporting terrorists who attacked the Jewish community center in Argentina.
    Supporting Hizbullah terrorists whose stated goal is genocide of all Jews world-wide.
    Supporting Hamas terrorists whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel and ethnic cleansing of Jews.

    And by support, I don't mean just statements and banners.
    We're talking about funding, training and arming.
    Also murdering hundreds of Americans along the way.


    6E. Why does RLD attempt to twist this around?
    Because he cares not about the truth but only about his anti-Israel agenda.

    Lest there remain any doubt in sane minds, consider the words of Prof. Michael Axworthy. He was the Head of the Iran Section of Britain's Foreign and Commonwealth Office and then the director of the Centre for Persian and Iranian Studies at Exeter University. He succinctly confirms:
    The formula had been used before by Khomeini and others, and had been translated by representatives of the Iranian regime as 'wiped off the map.' Some of the dispute that has arisen over what exactly Ahmadinejad meant by it has been rather bogus. When the slogan appeared draped over missiles in military parades, that meaning was pretty clear.

    7. I further pointed out that the Iranian Foreign Minister Mottaki, baffled why there was controversy, confirmed that: "The comments expressed by the president is the declared and specific policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    8. The current Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, has stated: "It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region." And that "Iran's position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini] and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region."

    Is anyone, other than RLD [who is now back on my ignore list] confused over what the Iranian government views as its "mission"?!