Why do people refuse to believe the obvious, when its in their best interest to accept the facts?

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    Jan 20, 2012 4:58 PM GMT
    Reading up on the subject, one reason I found was that believing some facts that are outside of a person's or a group of people's Ideology, so accepting the facts becomes harder than accepting a more believable story or myth that doesn't threaten their belief structure..


    Why do you believe some people or groups of people refuse facts and readily accept a lie or myth?
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    Jan 20, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    realifedad said Reading up on the subject, one reason I found was that believing some facts that are outside of a person's or a group of people's Ideology, so accepting the facts becomes harder than accepting a more believable story or myth that doesn't threaten their belief structure..


    Why do you believe some people or groups of people refuse facts and readily accept a lie or myth?



    A phrase I coined a number of years ago might answer this:

    If ignorance is bliss then tis folly to be wise
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    Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
    Barbara Tuchman, The March of Folly:

    Wooden-headedness, the source of self-deception, is a factor that plays a remarkably large role in government. It consists in assessing a situation in terms of preconceived fixed notions while ignoring or rejecting any contrary signs.

    Wooden-headedness is also the refusal to benefit from experience.

    She also defines folly as persisting in policies contrary to self-interest.
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    Jan 20, 2012 11:09 PM GMT
    realifedad said Reading up on the subject, one reason I found was that believing some facts that are outside of a person's or a group of people's Ideology, so accepting the facts becomes harder than accepting a more believable story or myth that doesn't threaten their belief structure..


    Why do you believe some people or groups of people refuse facts and readily accept a lie or myth?


    Beats me. I don't know why people think that Palestine and Iran don't want to destroy Israel or that Israel doesn't have a right to defend it itself against terroristic aggression outside the rule of law.

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    Jan 20, 2012 11:32 PM GMT
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    realifedad said Reading up on the subject, one reason I found was that believing some facts that are outside of a person's or a group of people's Ideology, so accepting the facts becomes harder than accepting a more believable story or myth that doesn't threaten their belief structure..


    Why do you believe some people or groups of people refuse facts and readily accept a lie or myth?


    Beats me. I don't know why people think that Palestine and Iran don't want to destroy Israel or that Israel doesn't have a right to defend it itself against terroristic aggression outside the rule of law.

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    I'm gonna pass on this one, cause I kinda think your a cool guy even when you disagree with an over abundance of GOOGLE facts that are available.



    Something I've noticed through life living in the south and being a Director of a Housing Authority where I dealt with thousands of people. It seems that for some reason, once a lie or a myth catches on it is nearly impossible to convinse people of reality, even if its right in front of their nose.

    Here's a local superstition for example that these folks cling to and will nearly fight over. The local tradition created what they call, Sarvis winter, Dogwood winter, Blackberry winter and redbud winter. All of these bloom and every year they say when these trees and bushes bloom there will be a cold spell that they call winter.

    One day I said to a neighbor, What do you mean Dogwood winter? they said, well ever since time began when they bloom it turns cold. I responded, are you telling me that the cold is because of the tree blooming? they said yes, I tried to explain that cold comes from northern cold fronts of highpressure coming toward a weaker low pressure zone. Facts didn't matter to them, they insisted it was because the trees bloom. LOL I just gave up, because this belief really cannot harm them other than make them look ignorant.



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    Jan 22, 2012 12:35 AM GMT
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    I don't know why people think that ------- Iran don't want to destroy Israel or that Israel doesn't have a right to defend it itself against terroristic aggression outside the rule of law.

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    For your answer and another great example of why people believe a lie or myth rather than the truth please refer to:

    antiwar.com Article Title: "Wiped off the map - The rumor of the Century"



    Here's a quote that explains why this is believed even though it is false propaganda to support a war of choice.

    "Before we get to the infamous remark, its important to note that the 'quote' in question was itself a quote - they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomenei, the Father of the Islamic Revolution. Words belong to khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that" (is not his)

    "So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi"

    "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar hahv shavad"

    "That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rehim-e. It is the word "REGIME." promounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did NOT refer to ISRAEL the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. this is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem)."

    "So this raises the question.... What exactly did he want "wiped from the map" ? The answer is: NOTHING. That's because the word "MAP" was NEVER USED. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original nor was the western phrase "wiped out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having utterd the words "map" "wipe out" or even "Israel"

    "The AP deliberately alters in IRNA quote to sound more threatening. the Israeli media not only repeats the fake quote but also steals the original authors words. The unsuspecting public reads this, forms an opinon and supports unnecessary wars of aggression, presented as self defense, based on the misinformation."
  • TDSmoove

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    Jan 23, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    This is a topic that goes beyond politics and is something people do everyday. The 2-Pack A Day Smoker, the daily drinker, the man with the 35% BMI but thinks he's just "big boned". Ignorance is bliss and so long as one can either deny there is a problem or blame someone else, then they do not have to accept any responsibility on the matter or even do anything to correct it.
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    Jan 23, 2012 10:37 PM GMT
    Invincible Ignorance,
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    Jan 25, 2012 5:52 PM GMT
    antelope saidInvincible Ignorance,







    Yep !!! and brought to us by propaganda, whether its the status quo talking points on Mainstream Media or spread by lobby's with alterior motives, all work together to keep the publics opinions in line for the status quo's continuance.

    Wars are started and backed by this process, just take a hard look at going to war with Iraq, and now at who is pressuring to go to war with Iran. neither of which in real terms benefit the US.
  • ineedausernam...

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    Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
    Because people are predictably irrational.
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    Jan 31, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
    It's like if you have voters who put self and dick before country, in the way they vote. They well never be able to see the errors of their ways, on the negative influence their vote had on country; remember the was a strong gay movment in germany that help put the national Socialist Party into power, by promising them self advancement. Thus are not able to see the good others are doing by putting country before self, and only see wrong in their ways. It's all really a matter of perspective.

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    Jan 31, 2012 9:22 PM GMT
    antelope saidInvincible Ignorance,


    Yet why is it so that those who do loudly demand Acceptance and tolerance are more often than not, the less tolerant and abusive, not accepting diffrent views.
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    Feb 01, 2012 12:04 AM GMT
    I read about something called the "Argumentative Theory of Reasoning".

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-assert.html?pagewanted=all

    According to this view, bias, lack of logic and other supposed flaws that pollute the stream of reason are instead social adaptations that enable one group to persuade (and defeat) another. Certitude works, however sharply it may depart from the truth.

    Simply put, humans are wired to "win", not to seek absolute truth. How many people do you know that have pulled a complete 180 on their religion or political affiliation based solely on one instance of losing an argument? Chances are, not many. (Though that one instance may instigate a period of self-reflection and questioning.) Never have I heard anyone, after losing an argument, say, "Gee, you're right. I guess I'm an atheist now" or "I guess I was wrong, looks like I'll be voting Republican in the next election."

    Nope, people usually stick to their guns, and I blame (human) nature.