Andrew Adler, the owner and publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times: Israel Should Consider Assassinating Obama

  • metta

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    Jan 21, 2012 1:18 AM GMT

    Newspaper Editor: Israel Should Consider Assassinating Obama

    http://gawker.com/5877892/newspaper-editor-israel-should-consider-assassinating-obama
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    Jan 21, 2012 1:24 AM GMT
    From the article:

    When I asked Adler why, if he didn't advocate assassination and didn't believe Israel was actually considering it, he wrote a column saying he believed that the option was "on the table," he asked for a minute to compose himself and call me back. He did a few moments later, and said, "I wrote it to see what kind of reaction I was going to get from readers."

    And what was the reaction? "We've gotten a lot of calls and emails."

    Nothing from the Secret Service, though. Yet.

    UPDATE: Adler has told JTA that he "regrets" the column and plans to publish an apology. Oh, and the Secret Service says it will "make all appropriate, investigative follow-up in regard to this matter," according to ABC News.


    metta8 - It is news and also your right to post it here, but seeing it was a ploy and knowing the kind of reaction it will needlessly stir up here, I think if you had exercised better judgement, you would not have posted it.
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    Jan 21, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidFrom the article:

    When I asked Adler why, if he didn't advocate assassination and didn't believe Israel was actually considering it, he wrote a column saying he believed that the option was "on the table," he asked for a minute to compose himself and call me back. He did a few moments later, and said, "I wrote it to see what kind of reaction I was going to get from readers."

    And what was the reaction? "We've gotten a lot of calls and emails."

    Nothing from the Secret Service, though. Yet.

    UPDATE: Adler has told JTA that he "regrets" the column and plans to publish an apology. Oh, and the Secret Service says it will "make all appropriate, investigative follow-up in regard to this matter," according to ABC News.


    metta8 - It is news and also your right to post it here, but seeing it was a ploy and knowing the kind of reaction it will needlessly stir up here, I think if you had exercised better judgement, you would not have posted it.



    I don't see what the big deal is, social. Have you honestly never posted anything that might be considered "off the wall" or "fringe" to make a point and/or start a discussion?

    You have stated you post hyperbolic and bombastic material at times to make points--that sometimes you are very passionate about your views. Could it be metta is just doing the same?

    As for the article, was it really a ploy... or a lax in judgement allowing spontaneous sincerity to slip into Adler's column?
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    Jan 21, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
    Metta, thumbs up to you for posting this topic, for some reason some people have a very deep seated aversion to open and frank discussions about Israel. Its a subject that just like J Street in Washington says, needs to be discussed more. From all angles including criticism. many have caved to the propaganda that any and all criticism amounts to anti Semitism, or anti jew, Jew Hater, and on and on the list goes of accusations the Israel Firsters use to shut up criticism. No one is above criticism and as the old saying goes, faithful are the blows from a true friend and many are the praises of a veiled enemy.


    A lot in the Christian Fundi have the belief that it is a biblical teaching that we must 'bless Israel to receive a blessing as a nation, so if our president doesn't give Carte Blanche approval to Israeli leaderships every wish, then they drum up accusations about Obama 'throwing Israel under the bus", or Obama hating Israel over his talking of going back to the 67' lines as if that's something new and against Israel when actuality has it that every discussion of boarders has started with those lines, but the Israel Firsters don't tell that.

    Netanyahu with the Help of some Republican Candidates (Perry and Cantor for example) pit Netanyahus wishes against Obama's foreign Policy, this has produced some hate for Obama as witnessed by your topic. Thomas Friedman a very famous and pro Israel writer for the New York Times, recentlly wrote that "Netanyahu's applause was bought and paid for by the Israeli Lobby Aipac. He got in a lot of trouble from AIPAC and what he sometimes terms Israel Firsters, but he's for open and frank discussions and criticism of Israel which is why he chose to expose the influence of the Israeli Lobby. The lobby played a big part in promoting US involvement in the Iraq war and is now pushing for war with Iran and that too needs to be discussed, they too are involved in the rhetoric against Obama which leads to such threats as your topic points out.

    Its high time that Americans open the discussion about Israel and all aspects of our entanglement that has been very costly indeed. We are adults and should be able to get past the propaganda which SoCal seems to adhere to, that any criticism amounts to anti semitism. But it isn't anti semitism.

    I personally read from Israeli sites daily and do a lot of research daily and have learned a lot from criticism Jewish people believe and put in print, we should be just as free to have open discussions and criticisms as they themselves do, I am glad for Israels existence for a Jewish Homeland, but our entanglement is being abused by a small number of Israeli Firsters/NeoCons and those shackles need to be thrown off while still supporting Israel in a limited and fair way for the sake of better foreign relations with the whole of the middle east rather than as it is now a pitting of Israel against the rest over US favoritism, we need to approach and maintain an Israeli relationship in a less entangled way not confusing their interests from our own.

    Thanks for the topic post, its very important.
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    Jan 21, 2012 2:25 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidFrom the article:

    When I asked Adler why, if he didn't advocate assassination and didn't believe Israel was actually considering it, he wrote a column saying he believed that the option was "on the table," he asked for a minute to compose himself and call me back. He did a few moments later, and said, "I wrote it to see what kind of reaction I was going to get from readers."

    And what was the reaction? "We've gotten a lot of calls and emails."

    Nothing from the Secret Service, though. Yet.

    UPDATE: Adler has told JTA that he "regrets" the column and plans to publish an apology. Oh, and the Secret Service says it will "make all appropriate, investigative follow-up in regard to this matter," according to ABC News.


    metta8 - It is news and also your right to post it here, but seeing it was a ploy and knowing the kind of reaction it will needlessly stir up here, I think if you had exercised better judgement, you would not have posted it.



    I don't see what the big deal is, social. Have you honestly never posted anything that might be considered "off the wall" or "fringe" to make a point and/or start a discussion?

    You have stated you post hyperbolic and bombastic material at times to make points--that sometimes you are very passionate about your views. Could it be metta is just doing the same?

    As for the article, was it really a ploy... or a lax in judgement allowing spontaneous sincerity to slip into Adler's column?

    Whatever, I'm just stating my opinion. Even if it wasn't a ploy, it was only something from one person, and there isn't evidence that it got any support. I think it similar to someone posting a very incendiary speech from the KKK.

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    Adler later told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency that he will publish an apology. "I very much regret it," he said.

    But Jewish advocacy groups were outraged.

    Abraham H. Foxman, director of the Anti-Defamation League, said there is "no excuse" for that kind of rhetoric.

    "It doesn't even belong in fiction. These are irresponsible and extremist words. It is outrageous and beyond the pale. An apology cannot possibly repair the damage," he said in a statement. "Mr. Adler's lack of judgment as a publisher, editor and columnist raises serious questions as to whether he's fit to run a newspaper."

    The National Jewish Democratic Council described the comments as "despicable."

    "It is the height of irresponsibility to make the horrific suggestion that the State of Israel should assassinate the President of the United States of America," NJDC President David Harris said in a statement. "To dare to give such despicable ideas space in a newspaper -- no less in the words of the paper's owner and publisher, and a Jewish newspaper at that -- is beyond the pale."
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    Jan 21, 2012 2:36 AM GMT
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    conscienti1984 said
    socalfitness saidFrom the article:

    When I asked Adler why, if he didn't advocate assassination and didn't believe Israel was actually considering it, he wrote a column saying he believed that the option was "on the table," he asked for a minute to compose himself and call me back. He did a few moments later, and said, "I wrote it to see what kind of reaction I was going to get from readers."

    And what was the reaction? "We've gotten a lot of calls and emails."

    Nothing from the Secret Service, though. Yet.

    UPDATE: Adler has told JTA that he "regrets" the column and plans to publish an apology. Oh, and the Secret Service says it will "make all appropriate, investigative follow-up in regard to this matter," according to ABC News.


    metta8 - It is news and also your right to post it here, but seeing it was a ploy and knowing the kind of reaction it will needlessly stir up here, I think if you had exercised better judgement, you would not have posted it.



    I don't see what the big deal is, social. Have you honestly never posted anything that might be considered "off the wall" or "fringe" to make a point and/or start a discussion?

    You have stated you post hyperbolic and bombastic material at times to make points--that sometimes you are very passionate about your views. Could it be metta is just doing the same?

    As for the article, was it really a ploy... or a lax in judgement allowing spontaneous sincerity to slip into Adler's column?

    Whatever, I'm just stating my opinion. Even if it wasn't a ploy, it was only something from one person, and there isn't evidence that it got any support. I think it similar to someone posting a very incendiary speech from the KKK.




    The reason this kind of thing happens is because groups like the Israeli Lobby AIPAC keep drumming up dissent over Obama's policies making them out to be anti Israel when in actuality he has been more supportive of Israel than most previous presidents. When AIPAC keeps sowing seeds of dissent like they do such people as Adler come out of the woodwork against Obama thinking they have a cause against him and are backed by Israeli Lobby's and Israeli Firsters like the fundi Christians.
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    Jan 22, 2012 2:42 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    conscienti1984 saidAs for the article, was it really a ploy... or a lax in judgement allowing spontaneous sincerity to slip into Adler's column?

    Whatever, I'm just stating my opinion. Even if it wasn't a ploy, it was only something from one person, and there isn't evidence that it got any support. I think it similar to someone posting a very incendiary speech from the KKK.

    Even if it wasn't a ploy, just a lapse in judgment, doesn't mean that this was "sincerity" slipping through.
    Someone who really desires to get something done covertly doesn't first publish it in a newspaper.
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    Jan 22, 2012 2:46 AM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    conscienti1984 saidAs for the article, was it really a ploy... or a lax in judgement allowing spontaneous sincerity to slip into Adler's column?

    Whatever, I'm just stating my opinion. Even if it wasn't a ploy, it was only something from one person, and there isn't evidence that it got any support. I think it similar to someone posting a very incendiary speech from the KKK.

    Even if it wasn't a ploy, just a lapse in judgment, doesn't mean that this was "sincerity" slipping through.
    Someone who really desires to get something done covertly doesn't first publish it in a newspaper.


    I really don't care why it was written. Had Nick Kristof written something similar, the Israeli government and Jewish Americans would be rightly up in arms.
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    Jan 22, 2012 2:48 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidFrom the article:

    When I asked Adler why, if he didn't advocate assassination and didn't believe Israel was actually considering it, he wrote a column saying he believed that the option was "on the table," he asked for a minute to compose himself and call me back. He did a few moments later, and said, "I wrote it to see what kind of reaction I was going to get from readers."

    And what was the reaction? "We've gotten a lot of calls and emails."

    Nothing from the Secret Service, though. Yet.

    UPDATE: Adler has told JTA that he "regrets" the column and plans to publish an apology. Oh, and the Secret Service says it will "make all appropriate, investigative follow-up in regard to this matter," according to ABC News.


    metta8 - It is news and also your right to post it here, but seeing it was a ploy and knowing the kind of reaction it will needlessly stir up here, I think if you had exercised better judgement, you would not have posted it.



    I don't see what the big deal is, social. Have you honestly never posted anything that might be considered "off the wall" or "fringe" to make a point and/or start a discussion?

    You have stated you post hyperbolic and bombastic material at times to make points--that sometimes you are very passionate about your views. Could it be metta is just doing the same?

    As for the article, was it really a ploy... or a lax in judgement allowing spontaneous sincerity to slip into Adler's column?








    Absolutely right.

    Socal is the LAST person on RJ who has any right to complain about the posting of incendiary and divisive threads.
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    Jan 22, 2012 3:02 AM GMT
    Metta,

    You exercised good judgment. Thank you for bringing this news item to our attention.
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    Jan 22, 2012 3:08 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    Caesarea4 said
    socalfitness said
    conscienti1984 saidAs for the article, was it really a ploy... or a lax in judgement allowing spontaneous sincerity to slip into Adler's column?

    Whatever, I'm just stating my opinion. Even if it wasn't a ploy, it was only something from one person, and there isn't evidence that it got any support. I think it similar to someone posting a very incendiary speech from the KKK.

    Even if it wasn't a ploy, just a lapse in judgment, doesn't mean that this was "sincerity" slipping through.
    Someone who really desires to get something done covertly doesn't first publish it in a newspaper.

    I really don't care why it was written. Had Nick Kristof written something similar, the Israeli government and Jewish Americans would be rightly up in arms.

    As socal pointed out, not only were a lot of Jewish American leaders outraged and spoke out against this but Adler himself said he "regrets" it and will publish an apology..

    None of will prevent certain cretins from repeatedly trying to pour kerosene on this to milk everything they can from turning a stupid statement (not even a molehill) into a mountain range.
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    Jan 22, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
    creature saidMetta,

    You exercised good judgment. Thank you for bringing this news item to our attention.

    I explained my reasons, why don't you explain your rationale, instead of your little habit of continually sniping with little logical or intellectual backup.
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    Jan 22, 2012 4:10 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    Caesarea4 said
    socalfitness said
    conscienti1984 saidAs for the article, was it really a ploy... or a lax in judgement allowing spontaneous sincerity to slip into Adler's column?

    Whatever, I'm just stating my opinion. Even if it wasn't a ploy, it was only something from one person, and there isn't evidence that it got any support. I think it similar to someone posting a very incendiary speech from the KKK.

    Even if it wasn't a ploy, just a lapse in judgment, doesn't mean that this was "sincerity" slipping through.
    Someone who really desires to get something done covertly doesn't first publish it in a newspaper.

    I really don't care why it was written. Had Nick Kristof written something similar, the Israeli government and Jewish Americans would be rightly up in arms.

    As socal pointed out, not only were a lot of Jewish American leaders outraged and spoke out against this but Adler himself said he "regrets" it and will publish an apology..

    None of will prevent certain cretins from repeatedly trying to pour kerosene on this to milk everything they can from turning a stupid statement (not even a molehill) into a mountain range.


    That doesn't mean that people will not express their outrage. Nor does it mean that discussing this douche bags irresponsible statements is off limits.
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    Jan 22, 2012 4:23 AM GMT
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    creature saidMetta,

    You exercised good judgment. Thank you for bringing this news item to our attention.

    I explained my reasons, why don't you explain your rationale, instead of your little habit of continually sniping with little logical or intellectual backup.



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    SoCal, What the Hell !!! Your not the last word and Creature gave his explaination in his comment, its just simply ----- "Thank you for bringing this news Item to our attention". You accusation points right back to yourself. If you don't like the topic or cannot discuss anything that has to do with Israel or jewish topics without fear (or whatever your problem is) then don't read them.

    The topics about our relationship with Israel is quite important and there needs to be open discussion and criticism without the accusations of antisemitism for every criticism. It just happens that this Adler article brings up things that need to be discussed.


    Take a look at Haaretz News and read all the Pro Obama comments on their printing of Adlers crazy threatening article.

    A lot of commenters believe Adler should be investigated and some even suggested jail time.

    But for once I agree with LIL'AIPAC (C4) that we shouldn't make this Adler situation into a mountain, in other words, he's probably a lone wolf and spoke for his crazy self with no one else involved.

    One Israeli commentor said: "Adler doesn't make this threat in a vacuume" then others mentioned how the far right Zionist types, the Israel Firsters and LIKUDNIKS talk this shit all the time and that maybe because of that this Adler felt comfortable in spelling out the threat. None the less this Adler has to be pretty crazy to put such thoughts in writing.
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    Jan 22, 2012 10:04 PM GMT
    I read today on the Jewish Daily Forward that Several US Agencies are looking into Adlers suggestions of offing Obama for his perceived lack of interest in protecting Israel from Iran.


    It will be intersting to see if this is taken as seriously as was the case of a couple that threatened Bush.


    A lot of Commenters on the Daily Forward and on Haaretz say that Obama has actually supported Israel more militarily than his predecessor.




    Points of contention preceding this threat seem to be:

    1. Suggesting going back to 1967 lines for border discussions.

    2. Obama not going along with stronger Sanctions that Netanyahu wanted that the Obama team said would have caused upward pressure on fuel costs for Americans.

    3. Obama ordered the temporary hault to the Israeli/US war games/Tests that were to be held in April because it was felt that they would just increase tensions unecessarrily.


    It is interesting that Ginrich mentioned these same points against Obama Saturday night apparent'y in hopes of gaining more of the rumoured additional funds coming from Israeli/us dual national Adelson. Authorities talking such stuff spurs on the crazies like Adler.

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    Jan 23, 2012 1:20 AM GMT
    I'm disappointed the thread did not go beyond one page in two days. What's wrong with you liberal RealJockers? I thought you would be steaming by now and as always, missing the obvious.
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    conservativejock saidI'm disappointed the thread did not go beyond one page in two days. What's wrong with you liberal RealJockers? I thought you would be steaming by now and as always, missing the obvious.




    WHAT ????? Explain yourself so no assumptions of your motive are to be made !!
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    Jan 23, 2012 3:32 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    creature saidMetta,

    You exercised good judgment. Thank you for bringing this news item to our attention.

    I explained my reasons, why don't you explain your rationale, instead of your little habit of continually sniping with little logical or intellectual backup.


    I am not a member of the conservaposse—you don't tell me what to do.
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    Jan 23, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    conservativejock saidI'm disappointed the thread did not go beyond one page in two days. What's wrong with you liberal RealJockers? I thought you would be steaming by now and as always, missing the obvious.

    I think most liberal RJers - myself included - realize that this is a tempest in a teapot.

    Which won't prevent certain trolls from churning it as much as possible in an effort to turn what isn't even a molehill into a mountain (of hate).
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    conservativejock saidI'm disappointed the thread did not go beyond one page in two days. What's wrong with you liberal RealJockers? I thought you would be steaming by now and as always, missing the obvious.

    I think most liberal RJers - myself included - realize that this is a tempest in a teapot.

    Which won't prevent certain trolls from churning it as much as possible in an effort to turn what isn't even a molehill into a mountain (of hate).



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    So far this has just been just healthy discussion with no mountains made, no flame throwing so to speak and no one trying to make this Adler guy into some conspiracy, which it isn't. You've said this enough, is there some reason you keep repeating it? are you wanting a controversy ?

    I hope an investigation of this adler takes place though, to tamp this idiots ideas down.
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    Jan 25, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    I think most liberal RJers - myself included - realize that this is a tempest in a teapot. Which won't prevent certain trolls from churning it as much as possible in an effort to turn what isn't even a molehill into a mountain (of hate).

    Propaganda pouncer> Why are US intelligence agencies already investigating this 'molehill'?

    The Secret Service (which took "the appropriate investigative steps") is now "intelligence agencies"?
    See what I mean about trying to make even more noise over nothing?

    (Which is all the more funnier given that pp claims to have me on "ignore".)


    What's really interesting, though, is the difference in reaction.

    No one denies that Adler wrote what he did. No one claims he didn't really mean Obama (who he never named). It is maturely admitted and condemned. An apology has followed and Adler has resigned.

    Now if a fatwa were placed on Obama (or others)... that would be just another "dog bites man story". (Rather than protests we'd here why it's just the opinion of one man, he's entitled to it [if it wasn't "mistranslated"] and there's no reason for anyone else to protest or condemn it.

    End of story.
    (Except watch how the trolls will continue to try and milk it.)

    Edit: I'm told RLD has evoked a truther/teabagger rag that pretends to represent US Vets.
    It was exposed more than a year ago by the anti-racist Southern Poverty Law Center.
    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda/

    We are left with two scenarios. Either RLD gets his info from such hate sites (which would explain a lot) or, in the usual perversion of the scientific method, he selectively looked for "data" that would support his own biases and didn't care where he found it (which also explains a lot).
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    Wolverine4 saidI think most liberal RJers - myself included - realize that this is a tempest in a teapot. Which won't prevent certain trolls from churning it as much as possible in an effort to turn what isn't even a molehill into a mountain (of hate).

    Propaganda pouncer> Why are US intelligence agencies already investigating this 'molehill'?

    The Secret Service (which took "the appropriate investigative steps") is now "intelligence agencies"?
    See what I mean about trying to make even more noise over nothing?

    (Which is all the more funnier given that pp claims to have me on "ignore".)


    What's really interesting, though, is the difference in reaction.

    No one denies that Adler wrote what he did. No one claims he didn't really mean Obama (who he never named). It is maturely admitted and condemned. An apology has followed and Adler has resigned.

    Now if a fatwa were placed on Obama (or others)... that would be just another "dog bites man story". (Rather than protests we'd here why it's just the opinion of one man, he's entitled to it [if it wasn't "mistranslated"] and there's no reason for anyone else to protest or condemn it.

    End of story.
    (Except watch how the trolls will continue to try and milk it.)



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    MUST BE WISHFULL THINKING ON YOUR PART LIL'AIPAC (now Wolferine4) Are you dissappointed that there's no mountain made yet? Are you wishing for one? You must be because you keep repeating this drivel.


    By the way, LIL'AIPAC, why did you change your profile name? is it that you've worn out your welcome as the Ceaserea4 troll, so now your going to try again ? either way your nothing but an AIPAC LOBBY TROLL.


    MORE ON THE SUBJECT: From - Veterans Today, Military and Foreign Affairs Journal, from the Manageing Editor Jim W Dean

    "KILLING OBAMA - UNITED STATES vs. ANDREW ADLER"

    "Why is Neither the Jewish Org Community or the Media Checking Into Andrew Adler's Background?"

    "There is something fishy about this Andrew Adler "kill Obama'case. It came out of the blue-from a small below the radar Jewish publication, fut from a major city, Atlanta. Why now and why Andrew Adler?"

    "The next thing that was extremely unusual was how quickly and completely so many major Jewish Organizations dumped on this guy - almost all of them in one day. And their language was very harsh."

    "And then something else very strange, despite all the media coverage, where is the media digging out everthing on our Andrew Adlers life?"

    "I have found nothing mentioned about him earlier than when he acquired the Atlanta Jewish Times, almost like it got off a space ship before that. And even more strange, no one seems to be asking any questions."

    These Jewish groups are very networked. Someone not only pressed a button on Alder, but they also wrote some of the scripting so all the groups would be on the same tone. This story is oozing of a set up and orchestration.?

    LIL'AIPAC, is this major Military Magazine making the 'Mountain our of a mole hill" that you were referring to ? Is he a troll for asking pertinent questions ?