Pls teach us: Porche Cayman vs. Corvette vs. Nissan 370Z vs. You Name It vs. a 1999 Toyota Supra

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    Jan 21, 2012 4:02 AM GMT
    Which car/s do you prefer?

    How would you rank them?

    Just feel like talking/reading. (I don't own one or will own one within 30 days.)

    How did this come about? I saw a car that said Cayenne and I thought that may mean hot. So when I got home, I'd try to learn more about these types of cars.

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    Jan 21, 2012 7:16 AM GMT
    LOL. Kinda hard to pick, since they're different classes and each have something different to offer.

    Porsche Cayman is a hot car. One of my former co-workers bought one a while back. I can appreciate the style and performance, but it's too flashy for me. And it's sort of a cliche car that most dot-com nerds buy when their company goes public and they cash their shares. icon_lol.gif

    Corvette. Beautiful car. Love the performance and heritage behind the name. Americana on wheels. But again, not my style. Mostly affluent older guys buy a Vette when they hit a mid-life crisis.

    370Z. Fun, affordable, stylish. This is a great bang-for-your-buck sports car that is within reach for most people. Although, I kinda prefer the styling of the Infiniti version.

    Mark IV Supra TT. I wanted this car from the day it was released. This was back when Toyota actually made fun cars. Inline 6, twin turbo, RWD, easily upgradeable for more power. Unfortunately, the timing was bad. At the time, no one wanted to spend $30K for a Japanese sports car. No matter how fast it was. Plus, the Supra had difficulty passing US emissions laws. So Toyota stopped offering the turbo version, which was totally bland.

    My pick --> Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Another great bang-for-your-buck sports car. Turbo, AWD, 280HP. Tuned suspension. It's basically a rally race car modified to be street legal. icon_biggrin.gif This car is a blast to drive, and can keep up with expensive exotic sports cars.

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    Jan 21, 2012 8:49 AM GMT
    what kinda corvette, z09 wud beast, but i prefer in this class a nissan gtr, faster then all these cars under 100k
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    Jan 21, 2012 10:02 AM GMT
    If I had my pick of sports/sporty cars between about $40-$75k base price, they would be, in order of preference:

    Porsche Cayman S/Boxster S - possibly the best handling production cars today

    BMW M3 - phenomenal car, except for the generic interior and with options gets up to $85k

    Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe - this thing is just a beast with decent styling and nice interior; just like M3, with options, can get up close to $90k

    Audi S5 - More of a great GT than a sports car (much like many considered the Supra in its day), but a powerful car with agreat handling and great looks. RS5 is the more all-out sports coupe, but still not as good as M3 and C63 and more expensive (almost $90k)

    Audi TT S - great handling and power and unique looks

    Nissan 370Z - I loved, loved, loved, my 350Z Roadster I had for 5 years and the 370Z is just better overall, though I do not like the overdone headlights and taillights

    Some others that are good, but not my faves:

    Chevy Corvette - great power and handling

    Infiniti G37 Coupe - liked the styling of the G35 coupe better, and for a car with this much power, performance should be better and the interior belongs in a Nissan

    BMW 1M - unbelievable performance and handling, but fugly fugly, fugly

    Ford Mustang GT - actually really good handling, powerful cars, but musclecars aren't for me

    Chevy Camaro ZL1 - See Mustang

    Dodge Challenger SRT8 - Also see Mustang

    Mercedes SLK55 AMG - awesome V-8 power, but still a chick car
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    Jan 21, 2012 11:05 AM GMT
    i was gonna say, the Cayman and the Vette are two different class of cars, though the former is more closely compared with the Z. Again, the Supra is dependent on what variant. There's a rich brat out in Kenner who had a stock NA Supra who ran around boasting about it while this girl i know from Mid City has a biTurbo in her carport that'd blow his brains out.

    The Miata is still held in regards as the best driver's car for under $30k. It beat out the 370z in a recent test by one of the main drivers mags as the more fun-to-drive, which is what wins the cake in my book.

    The corvette leaves a bad taste in my mouth since around here only one Vette driver out of forty actually bought it to go have fun on the back roads.

    I dislike the rev-match feature of the 370z. it seems like a halfway version of a double-clutch transmission. It still wants you to shift the transmission fully manual but takes the joy out of it by not requiring you to match revs when you downshift. Sure you can turn it off but...really?

    The Cayman i see all too often driven very slowly by people who obviously only bought it to have it. And one that's driven by a morbidly obese dude who makes it sit crooked.

    The Cayenne is a VW Tourareg with suspension tweaks and a Porsche powertrain.


    My choice for $40k would be a widebody FMV8 Roadster, which is a Gen1 or Gen2 Miata (1989-2005) with an LS3/Getrag combo swapped in and full suspension/brake package. They are still perfectly balanced just like the original but with a big whopper of a V8 stuffed under the hood. The engine is crate stock so you can take it to your local Chevy dealer for routine maintenance intervals. (imagine a Corvette engine in a car that weighs 1000lb less than a Vette). It may not be the most manly-looking car ever conceived, but it'll sure put a smile on your face icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 21, 2012 1:18 PM GMT
    xrichx saidLOL. Kinda hard to pick, since they're different classes and each have something different to offer.

    Porsche Cayman is a hot car. One of my former co-workers bought one a while back. I can appreciate the style and performance, but it's too flashy for me. And it's sort of a cliche car that most dot-com nerds buy when their company goes public and they cash their shares. icon_lol.gif

    Corvette. Beautiful car. Love the performance and heritage behind the name. Americana on wheels. But again, not my style. Mostly affluent older guys buy a Vette when they hit a mid-life crisis.

    370Z. Fun, affordable, stylish. This is a great bang-for-your-buck sports car that is within reach for most people. Although, I kinda prefer the styling of the Infiniti version.

    Mark IV Supra TT. I wanted this car from the day it was released. This was back when Toyota actually made fun cars. Inline 6, twin turbo, RWD, easily upgradeable for more power. Unfortunately, the timing was bad. At the time, no one wanted to spend $30K for a Japanese sports car. No matter how fast it was. Plus, the Supra had difficulty passing US emissions laws. So Toyota stopped offering the turbo version, which was totally bland.

    My pick --> Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Another great bang-for-your-buck sports car. Turbo, AWD, 280HP. Tuned suspension. It's basically a rally race car modified to be street legal. icon_biggrin.gif This car is a blast to drive, and can keep up with expensive exotic sports cars.



    Thank you so much. I watched the video and had to watch Part II on YouTube.
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    Jan 21, 2012 1:20 PM GMT
    Bmwkid92 saidwhat kinda corvette, z09 wud beast, but i prefer in this class a nissan gtr, faster then all these cars under 100k


    Hhhmmm,

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    Jan 21, 2012 1:28 PM GMT
    I had to see what's the difference between GT (I'm thinking grand touring?) and sports car.

    I found this answer:

    Very good question. Just watched the Top Gear episode where they took GTs in Romania and James picked a Lamborghini Gallardo. They kept referring to it as a supercar. For me personally I have 4 categories:

    Sportscar = 911, most anything that 2 door/2 seat RWD

    Exotic sportscar = above but more rare, 430, Gallardo, 308

    GT/Coupe = 2 door, 4 seat (or soft 2 seater) RWD... California, 456, M3?

    Supercar = performance machine, very low production numbers: Enzo/F50, LP670 SV, Zonda

    # # #

    What came to mind when I saw GT was grand touring; so, I googled GT car.

    It says it's a luxury car for long distances. Bad definition. When I was young, we went from New Orleans to San Francisco in a Buick Electra 225.

    (Feel free to comment beyond the obvious 2 door vs 4 door for parents and kids.)

    Here's the picture wikipedia is showing for a GT. (Okay, I was born in 1962. So, when I was five or six, I think a car that looks like this stuck with me. Then there was Speed Racer's car the Mach 5.

    Isn't this Ferrari 250 GTO a pretty car? Good performance?

    P.S.: I was talking about 1967-1968 and looking at the description of the photo in HTML, it says it's a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO.

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    (Roadster Racer likes FMV8. The Ford Mustang comes in 11 models. Six of of them have V8s on today's visit to their website.)

    http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/models/
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    Jan 21, 2012 1:49 PM GMT
    Well, I had to see what a Ferrari GTO looks like 49 years later:

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    Jan 21, 2012 2:14 PM GMT
    Having owned a Porsche 911 for six years, I'd choose the Cayman in a heartbeat. But, the only sports car I would even consider buying these days is a Tesla Roadster.
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    Bmwkid92 saidwhat kinda corvette, z09 wud beast, but i prefer in this class a nissan gtr, faster then all these cars under 100k


    Hhhmmm,

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    It's a shame the looks of the GT-R don't do its performance more justice. When you see one on the road, it just doesn't look special. Maybe becuase all the ones I've seen have been in a pretty dull silver/gray paint color. This photo in black does make it look a bit better, but those wheels look small for some reason.
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    RoadsterRacer87 said...The corvette leaves a bad taste in my mouth since around here only one Vette driver out of forty actually bought it to go have fun on the back roads. ...

    I don't know how you would come up with that statistic. Agree many buy the corvette for looks, not performance, but if you look at corvette forums with regional folders, in NOLA there are performance related activities, including racing.
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    Jan 21, 2012 8:31 PM GMT
    paradox saidHaving owned a Porsche 911 for six years, I'd choose the Cayman in a heartbeat. But, the only sports car I would even consider buying these days is a Tesla Roadster.


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    Jan 21, 2012 8:33 PM GMT
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    It's a shame the looks of the GT-R don't do its performance more justice. When you see one on the road, it just doesn't look special. Maybe becuase all the ones I've seen have been in a pretty dull silver/gray paint color. This photo in black does make it look a bit better, but those wheels look small for some reason.
    Yup. The color makes or breaks this car. I have to say that red is the worst color I've seen. Silver is next. Grey isn't too bad. But white is the best color for this car.
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    Jan 21, 2012 9:55 PM GMT
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    EastCoastNAZ said
    It's a shame the looks of the GT-R don't do its performance more justice. When you see one on the road, it just doesn't look special. Maybe becuase all the ones I've seen have been in a pretty dull silver/gray paint color. This photo in black does make it look a bit better, but those wheels look small for some reason.
    Yup. The color makes or breaks this car. I have to say that red is the worst color I've seen. Silver is next. Grey isn't too bad. But white is the best color for this car.


    What is a bit confusing is that the design languages of the Nissan/Infiniiti line emphasizes fluidity and curves. Some of my favorite car designs are the Maxima, 370Z, G37 sedan/coupe, M, and FX. You would think that the company's flagship would be that, and much, much more. But the only design element it shares is the A-Pillar design with the 370Z. I understand, to some degree, that Nissan wanted to position the GT-R apart from the 911's and Corvettes, but I'm just not sure it really works. I think Chrysler tried that approach with the Viper, to some degree, and it didn't work well, which is why it's discontinued.
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    What is a bit confusing is that the design languages of the Nissan/Infiniiti line emphasizes fluidity and curves. Some of my favorite car designs are the Maxima, 370Z, G37 sedan/coupe, M, and FX. You would think that the company's flagship would be that, and much, much more. But the only design element it shares is the A-Pillar design with the 370Z. I understand, to some degree, that Nissan wanted to position the GT-R apart from the 911's and Corvettes, but I'm just not sure it really works. I think Chrysler tried that approach with the Viper, to some degree, and it didn't work well, which is why it's discontinued.
    Well, the Skyline GTR cars have always been sorta ugly, where function overrides form. icon_biggrin.gif To me, the GTR (current and past) is pretty typical of traditional Japanese car design, where there are lots of sharp lines and angles. And since the GTR is their flagship super car, I get the feeling they wanted to keep it "Japanese looking" rather than make it into a poor copy of a European car design.

    That's pretty much the direction that Nissan/Infiniti is going with their mainstream cars.. Smooth lines and curves, very European influenced design. Not sure if their Renault co-owners are responsible, but I don't see it as a bad thing. Current Nissan/Infiniti cars are very nice looking in that respect. But I think the GTR will always keep it real, so to speak.

    My all time favorite fugly car, the R4..
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    StephenOABC said(Roadster Racer likes FMV8. The Ford Mustang comes in 11 models. Six of of them have V8s on today's visit to their website.)

    http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/models/


    FMV8 Roadster is an LS3-powered Miata
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    Jan 22, 2012 2:59 AM GMT
    rich you have good taste, that and the evo 9 were soo nice for late 90's. this is very hard to say since im a Bavarian motor works fan
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    Jan 22, 2012 3:25 AM GMT
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    EastCoastNAZ said
    What is a bit confusing is that the design languages of the Nissan/Infiniiti line emphasizes fluidity and curves. Some of my favorite car designs are the Maxima, 370Z, G37 sedan/coupe, M, and FX. You would think that the company's flagship would be that, and much, much more. But the only design element it shares is the A-Pillar design with the 370Z. I understand, to some degree, that Nissan wanted to position the GT-R apart from the 911's and Corvettes, but I'm just not sure it really works. I think Chrysler tried that approach with the Viper, to some degree, and it didn't work well, which is why it's discontinued.
    Well, the Skyline GTR cars have always been sorta ugly, where function overrides form. icon_biggrin.gif To me, the GTR (current and past) is pretty typical of traditional Japanese car design, where there are lots of sharp lines and angles. And since the GTR is their flagship super car, I get the feeling they wanted to keep it "Japanese looking" rather than make it into a poor copy of a European car design.

    That's pretty much the direction that Nissan/Infiniti is going with their mainstream cars.. Smooth lines and curves, very European influenced design. Not sure if their Renault co-owners are responsible, but I don't see it as a bad thing. Current Nissan/Infiniti cars are very nice looking in that respect. But I think the GTR will always keep it real, so to speak.

    My all time favorite fugly car, the R4..
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    Yeah, I never understood that, but kind of accepted it since it was primarily only available in Japan. But I figured once they started importing it to the US, they would do something a bit different with the design. Not necessarily European since Nissan themselves has always had great designs with their Z/ZX. The Z32 is one of my favorite all-time car designs and Nissan really could have built on this design for the GT-R.

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    Jan 22, 2012 3:30 AM GMT
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    xrichx said
    EastCoastNAZ said
    What is a bit confusing is that the design languages of the Nissan/Infiniiti line emphasizes fluidity and curves. Some of my favorite car designs are the Maxima, 370Z, G37 sedan/coupe, M, and FX. You would think that the company's flagship would be that, and much, much more. But the only design element it shares is the A-Pillar design with the 370Z. I understand, to some degree, that Nissan wanted to position the GT-R apart from the 911's and Corvettes, but I'm just not sure it really works. I think Chrysler tried that approach with the Viper, to some degree, and it didn't work well, which is why it's discontinued.
    Well, the Skyline GTR cars have always been sorta ugly, where function overrides form. icon_biggrin.gif To me, the GTR (current and past) is pretty typical of traditional Japanese car design, where there are lots of sharp lines and angles. And since the GTR is their flagship super car, I get the feeling they wanted to keep it "Japanese looking" rather than make it into a poor copy of a European car design.

    That's pretty much the direction that Nissan/Infiniti is going with their mainstream cars.. Smooth lines and curves, very European influenced design. Not sure if their Renault co-owners are responsible, but I don't see it as a bad thing. Current Nissan/Infiniti cars are very nice looking in that respect. But I think the GTR will always keep it real, so to speak.

    My all time favorite fugly car, the R4..
    icon_cool.gif

    GXLE5.jpg


    Yeah, I never understood that, but kind of accepted it since it was primarily only available in Japan. But I figured once they started importing it to the US, they would do something a bit different with the design. Not necessarily European since Nissan themselves has always had great designs with their Z/ZX. The Z32 is one of my favorite all-time car designs and Nissan really could have built on this design for the GT-R.

    300ZX.jpg


    I don't agree , i think the gtR 4th gen looks hell of alot better
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    Jan 22, 2012 7:45 PM GMT
    ^I hear ya, Pol, but the Z32 had such a unique quality to its styling that it really stood out from the crowd. It was low, wide, and was a dream to drive. I would never confuse it with anything else on the road, whether in its same price range or not.

    I can't say the same about the current GTR. It doesn't stand out on the road and I've confused it for other cars: 1st generation G35 coupe, 3rd gen Mitsu eclipse, 350Z.

    when you've got a car with a base price of $96k (for 2013) and has such phenomenal performance, the styling should match it. That's just my opinion.
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    Jan 23, 2012 4:41 AM GMT
    the MKIV Supras are like a fetish of mine.
    I used to have an MKIII which i got rid of when it lived up to its reputation and the head gasket blew . It wasn't even turbo . :

    I'd buy a GTR over many exotics. I like the non assuming look.. bit like a sleeper ;p

    but i have to admit the LFA has won my heart lately.
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    Jan 23, 2012 7:17 PM GMT
    VW Golf GTI ..for around $ 25.000 , you get nice handling , adequate power , low petrol consumption and seats 4 confortably .