Someone's opinion on Facebook--not exactly mine! All the adulation for Joe Paterno

  • MusclFurPeX

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    Jan 23, 2012 2:06 AM GMT
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    All the adulation for Joe Paterno I’m reading on Facebook makes me sick. No matter one’s lifetime achievements, a man is not a man when the good ole’ boys club takes precedence over protecting children from a sexual predator. How can a human being who was such a great leader for decades over his own team not have the moral decency to take ownership and personally ensure the safety of those kids? All I’ve heard for the last several months are excuses and defense of his character. As a victim of molestation myself, I am appalled that anyone would sanctify Paterno for making the matter a private internal administrative affair and consider the case closed. Some “hero.”
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    Jan 23, 2012 2:28 AM GMT
    MusclFurPeX saidBOLD TEXT GOES HERE

    Someone's opinion on Facebook--not exactly mine! BOLD TEXT GOES HERE

    All the adulation for Joe Paterno I’m reading on Facebook makes me sick. No matter one’s lifetime achievements, a man is not a man when the good ole’ boys club takes precedence over protecting children from a sexual predator. How can a human being who was such a great leader for decades over his own team not have the moral decency to take ownership and personally ensure the safety of those kids? All I’ve heard for the last several months are excuses and defense of his character. As a victim of molestation myself, I am appalled that anyone would sanctify Paterno for making the matter a private internal administrative affair and consider the case closed. Some “hero.”
    I agree with whomever wrote and posted that.
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    Jan 23, 2012 2:33 AM GMT
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    MusclFurPeX saidBOLD TEXT GOES HERE

    Someone's opinion on Facebook--not exactly mine! BOLD TEXT GOES HERE

    All the adulation for Joe Paterno I’m reading on Facebook makes me sick. No matter one’s lifetime achievements, a man is not a man when the good ole’ boys club takes precedence over protecting children from a sexual predator. How can a human being who was such a great leader for decades over his own team not have the moral decency to take ownership and personally ensure the safety of those kids? All I’ve heard for the last several months are excuses and defense of his character. As a victim of molestation myself, I am appalled that anyone would sanctify Paterno for making the matter a private internal administrative affair and consider the case closed. Some “hero.”
    I agree with whomever wrote and posted that.


    +1.
    Seeing the college students standing around with candles bawling over his passing is appalling. This guy enabled a child rapist -- his football career hardly makes up for that.
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    Jan 23, 2012 3:43 AM GMT
    MusclFurPeX saidBOLD TEXT GOES HERE

    Someone's opinion on Facebook--not exactly mine! BOLD TEXT GOES HERE

    All the adulation for Joe Paterno I’m reading on Facebook makes me sick. No matter one’s lifetime achievements, a man is not a man when the good ole’ boys club takes precedence over protecting children from a sexual predator. How can a human being who was such a great leader for decades over his own team not have the moral decency to take ownership and personally ensure the safety of those kids? All I’ve heard for the last several months are excuses and defense of his character. As a victim of molestation myself, I am appalled that anyone would sanctify Paterno for making the matter a private internal administrative affair and consider the case closed. Some “hero.”


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    Jan 23, 2012 3:45 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark said
    MusclFurPeX saidBOLD TEXT GOES HERE

    Someone's opinion on Facebook--not exactly mine! BOLD TEXT GOES HERE

    All the adulation for Joe Paterno I’m reading on Facebook makes me sick. No matter one’s lifetime achievements, a man is not a man when the good ole’ boys club takes precedence over protecting children from a sexual predator. How can a human being who was such a great leader for decades over his own team not have the moral decency to take ownership and personally ensure the safety of those kids? All I’ve heard for the last several months are excuses and defense of his character. As a victim of molestation myself, I am appalled that anyone would sanctify Paterno for making the matter a private internal administrative affair and consider the case closed. Some “hero.”
    I agree with whomever wrote and posted that.


    +1.
    Seeing the college students standing around with candles bawling over his passing is appalling. This guy enabled a child rapist -- his football career hardly makes up for that.


    unfortunately it does - not only for those people bawling over his passing, but even for some posters here on RJ. I can only wonder what has happened to simple ethics.
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    Jan 23, 2012 5:42 AM GMT
    I think the thing to be considered though is that systems of all kinds are concerned with there sustainment. My thought is that I'm sure he reacted like anyone else would have but considered how it might affect his players. I mean no one will ever know what was in his head but I'd like to get my hands on all the evidence to see for myself the situation. This is a difficult thing for me because I have family members that have been victims & accused of things that later turned out to be false after the damage was done. I'm not extending him a pass but merely thinking about the underlying though process that were in.his head.
  • Cdnontherun

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    Jan 23, 2012 6:21 AM GMT
    I can't help but wonder if the red head (sorry forgot his name) had walked in on a young woman being raped, because rape is what happened here, would the outcome have been the same. And would the higher ups have turned a blind eye to that as well? One stupid move doesn't wipe out a whole career, but one has to wonder if this was the only stupid mistake made.
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    Jan 23, 2012 6:23 AM GMT
    "Stupid mistake" is a lot different from "child molestation."
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 23, 2012 6:28 AM GMT
    MusclFurPeX said

    All the adulation for Joe Paterno I’m reading on Facebook makes me sick.



    What makes me sick is all the self-righteous sanctimonious judgmental asses who would play judge, jury, and executioner without really knowing all the facts. What is worse, is you are judging a man by one mistake or lapse in judgment and negating all of the good he did through his entire lifetime. Shameful.
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    Jan 23, 2012 6:32 AM GMT
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    MusclFurPeX said

    All the adulation for Joe Paterno I’m reading on Facebook makes me sick.



    What makes me sick is all the self-righteous sanctimonious judgmental asses who would play judge, jury, and executioner without really knowing all the facts. What is worse, is you are judging a man by one mistake or lapse in judgment and negating all of the good he did through his entire lifetime. Shameful.


    I have to agree with him. I mean it's not like HE did the raping. Might be a moral slug for not doing the right thing (as far as we know) but still there is more to a life than one episode or act.
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    Jan 23, 2012 6:40 AM GMT
    I can absolutely understand both sides of how people feel regarding JoePa.

    No one deny the legacy he built and left behind at Penn State.

    No one can deny what appears to be his lack of full, appropriate action with Sandusky from the legal perspective.

    I absolutely do not feel that those mourning his passing, and celebrating his life are ignorant to those that suffered due to his lack of action. However, I can see how those victims of Sandusky, and other victims of rape/molestation, would view it that way.

    Maybe in part, some of them have not heard an official verdict of guilty on anyone being questioned/tried, that they have not come to that conclusion, yet.

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    Jan 23, 2012 6:44 AM GMT
    I think a few issues have to be kept unentangled here.

    I, for one, do not believe that a single (or in his case possibly, repeated) lapse in judgement should negate a long, fulfilling and productive life.

    However, the deification he enjoyed as a coach...that's another thing entirely. I detest the religiosity practiced for sports by fans. I believe in fun and sport, but religiosity is sad. He was a great coach, but that's it.

    Then, there's the weird keening and candlelight vigils bullshit. You know, the kind Dear Leader got before Kim Jong Un was ushered in as Supreme Commander. I've lost both parents and all grandparents. I understand grief--for a friend or family. Even for a pet. But for a man you hardly knew? That's just fucking weird.





    So, to review, since anything longer than a sentence tends to be left unread and taken out of context: can't judge the man, but weeping fanatical people are fucking weird.

  • Jan 24, 2012 3:28 AM GMT
    Honestly, that's called being the fall guy. He reported it to the proper authorities in this case, he would be justified in thinking that if there was evidence to that effect they would escalate it to the police. Keep in mind, Sandusky's reputation could've been ruined for no reason if he did nothing and was reported directly to the police (it's not like false reports do not happen).


    But are we blaming the penn state administration for not following up on the report and obviously not exercising due diligence in it's investigation? No, we blame the guy that reported the possible abuse.
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    Jan 24, 2012 3:38 AM GMT
    thisonesakeeper saidHonestly, that's called being the fall guy. He reported it to the proper authorities in this case, he would be justified in thinking that if there was evidence to that effect they would escalate it to the police. Keep in mind, Sandusky's reputation could've been ruined for no reason if he did nothing and was reported directly to the police (it's not like false reports do not happen).


    But are we blaming the penn state administration for not following up on the report and obviously not exercising due diligence in it's investigation? No, we blame the guy that reported the possible abuse.


    fall guy...lol, boy are you naive. Paterno was Penn State, Sandusky worked under him for YEARS, he was invited back on campus numerous times after he left. You mean to tell me that the guy who was considered GOD at Penn State never was curious to the serious charges of child sexual abuse raised towards his longtime friend and co worker. That he forgot all about it because after raising the issue to a higher chain of command that everything turned it out a ok.

    I do not know if Paterno was involved in the coverup with Penn State officials and police who clearly did cover this up he could be but even if he wasnt I find it hard to believe that a guy would feel no moral obligation to follow up on something so serious.

    My opinion is that everyone is just too worried about protecting the PSU image as minty white when its just the opposite.

    I agree with the facebook posting.
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    Jan 24, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    thisonesakeeper saidHonestly, that's called being the fall guy. He reported it to the proper authorities in this case, he would be justified in thinking that if there was evidence to that effect they would escalate it to the police. Keep in mind, Sandusky's reputation could've been ruined for no reason if he did nothing and was reported directly to the police (it's not like false reports do not happen).


    But are we blaming the penn state administration for not following up on the report and obviously not exercising due diligence in it's investigation? No, we blame the guy that reported the possible abuse.



    ^^^^ Agree ^^^^ Lots if self-righteousness going on around here from holier-than-thou types with only about half of the information on all of this needed to even be close to making a valid judgment. Joe Paterno deserves the benefit of the doubt, if for no other reason than he spent an entire lifetime being a huge role model and positive mentor to many, as well as a humanitarian that is legendary. Did he handle this in the right way? No, say many, but he did what he thought was appropriate at the time -- and he did NOT try in any way to cover up. As he said in his interviews, he had never been faced with anything like this before, and he wasn't exactly sure what to do other than go to his higher ups to handle it appropriately.