Partition California into 5 states

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    Jan 23, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
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    Lines drawn when California's population was less than 100,000 no longer reflect our social, economic, and cultural differences. California is the largest state in the union by population, and as such, nearly one in six Americans is a Californian. Only one in 50 senators is a Californian, however. The east coast of the United States has 32 senators representing its interests, while the west coast only has 6. If California were a country, it would be the world's 8th largest economy. 40 million people deserve to have their voices heard in the senate. Partitioning the state isn't about division, it's about REvision. The golden state is simply too large to manage as one entity.

    Politically, a 5 state solution is a far superior to the two state solution proposed in 2011 by Riverside county supervisor Jeff Stone. The map 5 Californias uses would create two blue states, two red states, and a swing state (the San Joaquin Valley). These lines are of course not inflexible, and the number of states is certainly up for debase at well, the purpose of the map is simply to provide a visual reference and get people talking.

    We need to talk about this, not just Californians, but as a nation. I have to stress, the creation of this map is not about separating people politically, it's about bringing the capital closer to home, having people participate in policy-making because they believe they can make a difference, and giving oft-marginalized regions a voice at the national level.

    amirite or amirite?
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    Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
    Woohoo segregation
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    Jan 23, 2012 8:00 PM GMT
    Claystation saidWoohoo segregation

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    The above is why California is messed up. You jump all over this very reasonable suggestion by proclaiming "segregation".

    Until our state can come together instead of being divided politically (which isn't gonna happen) - there is no hope. We are deeply in debt, our school system ranks near the bottom nationally, businesses are fleeing in droves due to excessive taxation and regulation and taking much needed jobs with them, and our infrastructure is aging and deteriating. Instead of adding to a constructive discussion to solve these issues, u just say the first thing that comes into ur little head... - claystation does not even live in this state!
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    Jan 23, 2012 8:05 PM GMT
    No fair.. why does the red area get all the meth labs? The rest of So Cal could use some of that drug money. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 23, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
    Jump all over? I simply said the first thing that came to mind. 5 states that have the like mind mentality is pretty much segregation/drawing a line in the sand. Politics, much like religion is a choice and if little Johnny isn't born in a state where his voice will be heard (politically) then he better move his ass somewhere else right? Also what would make it appealing for someone of _____ political ideology to move to a state where ________ political ideology reigns? They may have ______ but they won't have _______. So far all it looks like is you are proposing something that is sort of already done as far as states go. You're just breaking down one of the bigger states. Would you propose this be taken across the country too? Breaking down the states into smaller states so the ______ people with ______ political ideology have a state where their voices can be heard? How many more states we gonna get here? Or is California special?
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    Jan 23, 2012 9:56 PM GMT
    You seem to have a fair chunk of Oregon in there.

    Grabby, grabby.
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    Jan 23, 2012 10:13 PM GMT
    Being from the Monterey Bay I'm not sure I'd like the idea of splitting it in half. Other than that its an interesting concept.
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    Jan 23, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    It seems most americans want to reduce the size of federal government. So for that we should decrease the number of states. For the east coast you could have New England as one state. New york by itself. PA,NJ,DE as state of 22 million. Then you could have MD, VA and NC as one state of 23 million. SC and GA as one state of 15 million or you could add TN to bring it over 20 million. If you do that give Alabama to FL.
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    Jan 23, 2012 10:46 PM GMT
    Create five state bureaucracies out of one? That sounds like efficiency of scale backwards.

    I'm not for it.
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    Jan 23, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidYou seem to have a fair chunk of Oregon in there.

    Grabby, grabby.


    u suck at geography. Oregon is not in there at all icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 23, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    friendormate saidIt seems most americans want to reduce the size of federal government. So for that we should decrease the number of states. For the east coast you could have New England as one state. New york by itself. PA,NJ,DE as state of 22 million. Then you could have MD, VA and NC as one state of 23 million. SC and GA as one state of 15 million or you could add TN to bring it over 20 million. If you do that give Alabama to FL.


    nobody wants alabama icon_lol.gif

    give that to texas.
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    Jan 23, 2012 11:48 PM GMT
    Wouldn't work because it's not contiguous, but I'd like the Bay Area and Downtown Los Angeles plus Santa Monica joined together.
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    Jan 24, 2012 12:59 AM GMT
    friendormate saidIt seems most americans want to reduce the size of federal government. So for that we should decrease the number of states. For the east coast you could have New England as one state. New york by itself. PA,NJ,DE as state of 22 million. Then you could have MD, VA and NC as one state of 23 million. SC and GA as one state of 15 million or you could add TN to bring it over 20 million. If you do that give Alabama to FL.
    Fuck that.. we dont want alabama!icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 24, 2012 1:02 AM GMT
    Is it sad when you color block it like this I can't tell where the hell any of the cities are?
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    Jan 24, 2012 1:49 AM GMT
    I'm still waiting for South Florida to become its own country.
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    Jan 24, 2012 1:51 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidIs it sad when you color block it like this I can't tell where the hell any of the cities are?


    From space, there don't seem to be any lines...just pretty colors. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 24, 2012 3:13 AM GMT
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    amirite or amirite?

    Doesn't matter whether you are or not. Can't ever happen. We might be better off without an Electoral College, too, but that cannot ever happen either. Either proposition requires the votes of a lot of people whose interest lies in maintaining the status quo.
    And aren't you a very new Californian?
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    Jan 24, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
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    Ariodante saidIs it sad when you color block it like this I can't tell where the hell any of the cities are?


    From space, there don't seem to be any lines...just pretty colors. icon_biggrin.gif


    Lies, the Earth was born subdivided into nations with clearly marked lines!
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    Jan 24, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    Suetonius said
    Import said
    amirite or amirite?

    Doesn't matter whether you are nor not. Can't ever happen. We might be better off without an Electoral College, too, but that cannot ever happen either. Either proposition requires the votes of a lot of people whose interest lies in maintaining the status quo.
    And aren't you a very new Californian?


    It's like Texas seceding from the U.S. it won't happen.
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    Jan 24, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
    What happened to the map?
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    Jan 24, 2012 6:43 AM GMT
    Import saidPhotobucket

    Lines drawn when California's population was less than 100,000 no longer reflect our social, economic, and cultural differences. California is the largest state in the union by population, and as such, nearly one in six Americans is a Californian. Only one in 50 senators is a Californian, however. The east coast of the United States has 32 senators representing its interests, while the west coast only has 6. If California were a country, it would be the world's 8th largest economy. 40 million people deserve to have their voices heard in the senate. Partitioning the state isn't about division, it's about REvision. The golden state is simply too large to manage as one entity.

    Politically, a 5 state solution is a far superior to the two state solution proposed in 2011 by Riverside county supervisor Jeff Stone. The map 5 Californias uses would create two blue states, two red states, and a swing state (the San Joaquin Valley). These lines are of course not inflexible, and the number of states is certainly up for debase at well, the purpose of the map is simply to provide a visual reference and get people talking.

    We need to talk about this, not just Californians, but as a nation. I have to stress, the creation of this map is not about separating people politically, it's about bringing the capital closer to home, having people participate in policy-making because they believe they can make a difference, and giving oft-marginalized regions a voice at the national level.

    amirite or amirite?


    A unprecedented move ( dividing a state) . There is no provision to remove a state from the Union so how do you propose this would be constitutional ?

    Statehood would take a good size of those east coast states voting YES.

    How likely is that?