Star Wars: The Old Republic - Love or Loathe?

  • NerdLifter

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    Jan 24, 2012 2:29 AM GMT
    Fellow players, what are your impressions; what aspects of the game have you loved or loathed?

    I've had a mixed reaction to TOR; I'd be interested to hear your opinions on the game.
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    Jan 24, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    Well for starters it's way better than WoW. So many more systems in place.
    I'm almost to level 40 but one thing you do notice is that if you don't play with people then it can get a little boring. The end-game content is supposed to be really good though. icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 24, 2012 5:43 AM GMT
    I reeeeeeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally wanna like this game. My brother and his flat are obsessed with it, but I just can't get into it. MMO's are tough for me, because I feel like I spend too much time just running in a straight line to get from one place to the next. I feel like I waste so much time just walking around.

    This does have a good, somewhat solid (in the sense that you actually are FOLLOWING one) story line, which I like. I guess maybe I just don't have enough time to really sink my teeth in yet..
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    Jan 24, 2012 5:55 AM GMT
    I love it, but I love Star Wars in general, so it really wouldn't matter if it were a pile of crap.

    It definitely needs some help in a lot of areas, but it does a lot of things right, I feel it's pretty immersive and I do feel very attached to my characters.
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    Jan 24, 2012 6:05 AM GMT
    Way better than Wow? Doubt it...
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    Jan 24, 2012 6:14 AM GMT
    Soccerstud4 saidWay better than Wow? Doubt it...


    WoW has been so dumbed down in the last 2 years. I know they want to cater to everyone but damn. I and my ex played through Burning Crusade and it was a swell time. Pandas and pet fights for the 12 year old's incoming! icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 24, 2012 6:16 AM GMT
    Yes, Blizzard has become comfortable with what they have created and I don't feel like they're trying to innovate so much now. Regardless, it's been what 7 years? They've built up an amazing foundation and it is still the strongest MMO by far. To say Star Wars is better immediately after release is unrealistic.

    I do miss the BC raids but I would not have the time to experience all that again these days, so I really don't mind the LFR thing.
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    Jan 24, 2012 6:18 AM GMT
    They sure have robbed the bank in those 7 years! I had fun with WoW but it's no longer for me. I miss the madness that was Zul'Gurub and fighting God Hakkar! icon_eek.gif such fun.
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    Jan 24, 2012 10:23 AM GMT
    I like it so far. Definitely different than WoW, but the same core functionality and basis is just under the surface unfortunately.

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    Jan 24, 2012 2:55 PM GMT
    Bustamante said
    Soccerstud4 saidWay better than Wow? Doubt it...


    WoW has been so dumbed down in the last 2 years. I know they want to cater to everyone but damn. I and my ex played through Burning Crusade and it was a swell time. Pandas and pet fights for the 12 year old's incoming! icon_eek.gif


    Go-go-gadget inner geek!:

    TOR, played all the Beta's and hated it. It's too much like WoW for me to start over from scratch. If I was at all into Star Wars it would probably be different though.

    WoW is accessible to everyone, that was always Blizz' plan for it too (their business plan for the game was never hidden, and never marketed towards hardcore gamers), which is why they are number 1. I liked vanilla better too, but still enjoy that I can log in for 30 minutes and feel like I did something icon_razz.gif

    And people are giving too much flack to the next xpac. The new talent systems look great and they're returning to the original Horde vs. Alliance.
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    Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM GMT
    I think I played FFXI too long to appreciate anything that even remotely resembles WoW...however, I definitely like the focus on storytelling in TOR.
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    Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    Bustamante said
    Soccerstud4 saidWay better than Wow? Doubt it...


    WoW has been so dumbed down in the last 2 years. I know they want to cater to everyone but damn. I and my ex played through Burning Crusade and it was a swell time. Pandas and pet fights for the 12 year old's incoming! icon_eek.gif


    Everyone listen to Busta. This game will start attracting a lot more children when this Panda expansion comes out. lol
    I honestly don't care though. Not trying to bash WoW or anything. I just can't play it anymore with what they did when released Cataclysm. icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM GMT
    OtherWyze saidI think I played FFXI too long to appreciate anything that even remotely resembles WoW...however, I definitely like the focus on storytelling in TOR.


    if XIV had just been a sequel with the same systems and gameplay but better graphics instead of what was released... this thread wouldn't exist icon_razz.gif
  • Errintheer

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    Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
    Love it so far, still haven't hit level cap yet but even if there's nothing for me to do at 50 it would still take me months to play through the other classes.
  • nefficles

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    Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM GMT
    it is half finished! no endgame content, and the pvp is SO lame. i get so frustrated on there. the warzones let everyone in so if you aren't 50 yet, be prepared to get your ass handed to you.

    SO my response to Love or Loathe is GUILD WARS 2!
    open beta events start in march and april! i have a very gay friendly legion (like 6/7 gays in it already) if anyone would want to play with us ;P
  • nefficles

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    Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM GMT
    BUT i started playing mmos with WoW, and that didn't really do it for me. there didn't seem to be much skill needed for a lot of stuff, and the graphics really bugged me. I hated all the "addons" you had to get....why not just make a well thought out game right away (at least fix it with patches). i do know they did this later on though. however, i stopped playing for aion haha. Now on the swtor wagon and i just expected it to be more polished than it is. i also feel like there is no incentive to play. you play with yourself half the time and nobody else. i just play with my boyfriend but thats the only fun i have on there.
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    Jan 24, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    haven't tried the game. Bioware had invited me to test the game 2 or 3 months ago but i didn't bother - i'm still busy getting imports for Mass Effect 3 . icon_rolleyes.gif

  • NerdLifter

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    Jan 24, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    wrestlejock24 saidLove it so far, still haven't hit level cap yet but even if there's nothing for me to do at 50 it would still take me months to play through the other classes.

    TL;DR: PvE = Generally Good; End-Game PvP = Broken on Imbalanced Servers; Graphics engine needs some fixing.

    End-game PvE I hear is to be expected, alright. I haven't personally played through the content. I've always been a PvP fan.

    End-game PvP Right now is nearly completely broken. The population imbalance on most PvP U.S. servers heavily favors imperials, which has a double sword effect of them not being able to complete their pvp dailies in Ilum, thus not getting gear, and rebublic players avoiding Ilum since it is a no-contest who wins, with 2:1 up to roughly 5:1 population ratios, which are growing since many republic players have given up and re-rolled imperial as the "solution" to not being able to competitively play PvP at end-game.

    On top of that, the character responsiveness bugs, as you can find all over the SWTOR forums, make PvP a real pain sometimes, and the graphics engine needs to be optimized better (more specifically, needs to be completely reworked to not be I/O bound to the hard-drive; I do not know who in their right mind at BioWare thought that was a good idea)

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    Jan 24, 2012 5:28 PM GMT
    I've only played for an hour or so but I enjoyed what I played of it.
  • nefficles

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    Jan 24, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
    Studinprogress said
    On top of that, the character responsiveness bugs, as you can find all over the SWTOR forums, make PvP a real pain sometimes, and the graphics engine needs to be optimized better (more specifically, needs to be completely reworked to not be I/O bound to the hard-drive; I do not know who in their right mind at BioWare thought that was a good idea)



    yeah! im a healing imperial operative and theres this glitch that one of my casting heals wont go off. the bar will cast, she'll do the animation then it freezes, her arm is just hovering and i cant do another skill(heal) until i unselect the target and go back to it. so annoying!
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    Jan 24, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    jerradwolf said
    Studinprogress said
    On top of that, the character responsiveness bugs, as you can find all over the SWTOR forums, make PvP a real pain sometimes, and the graphics engine needs to be optimized better (more specifically, needs to be completely reworked to not be I/O bound to the hard-drive; I do not know who in their right mind at BioWare thought that was a good idea)



    yeah! im a healing imperial operative and theres this glitch that one of my casting heals wont go off. the bar will cast, she'll do the animation then it freezes, her arm is just hovering and i cant do another skill(heal) until i unselect the target and go back to it. so annoying!

    Yes, and they are huge game-play flaws that I'm dumbfounded were not corrected by time of release. Once again, don't know who thought ability animations are > ability cast timers. If my bar says I can cast another instant ability, I should be allowed to press that button and the ability happens.

    The scary part is the I/O hard drive bounded threading and how BioWare uses multi-process threads... this is the source of a lot of the Frames Per Second graphical rendering problems people are having.

    How WoW and other games deals with this is to just let the game go on running, and allow whatever hasn't been loaded yet to briefly appear as a graphical non-entity that is moving with a name tag over it, but will be briefly invisible since the rendering info is still be pulled from the HDD. Let the anomaly affect that single entity, not the whole client.

    How SWTOR does it is: if it does not know what XYZ is that just game into range, it has to pause everything else, get the info, THEN continue rendering everything. BAD BAD game design.

    Simple example, trying going to the Fleet and running around, while you run around, spam "C" to open and close your character pane.

    People with SSD's have less of a problem since they can pull info from their Hard Drives faster.

    The evidence to suggest this may be the cause of the graphical rendering problems is in Task Manager of High End gaming machines. You will notice that in large populated areas while moving around, the CPU, A. Never Gets Close to 100%, and B. The GPU activity plummets. GPU should always be close to 100% because it will try to give you the most frames it possible it can every second. But when the GPU is starved of information, it can't process frames, hence the lower than normal activity, making high-end gaming cards utterly useless for SWTOR in asset-intensive situations.




    There are two fixes I can think of, make the game not I/O bound, but that might not be possible, they already build the game from the ground up on this obtuse cut-corners model.

    Second, write a x64 engine that allows for as much data as possible to be cached into memory and dedicated to SWTOR. At the moment, it is limited to a 2GB maximum due to the inherent limitations of 32-bit software coding. However, this means 32-bit OS users are utterly screwed for this fix. But once again, this would mean massive effort to write a 64-bit client.
  • gwuinsf

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    Jan 24, 2012 6:59 PM GMT
    I didn't see it mentioned, but Jekk'Jekk Tarr is the unofficial official gay server. As official as it can be... My understanding is Bioware themselves dubbed it so.

    There are quite a number of gay guilds on both Republic and Imperial sides.
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    Jan 24, 2012 7:46 PM GMT
    is teh suxorz.
  • NerdLifter

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    Jan 24, 2012 10:32 PM GMT
    gwuinsf saidI didn't see it mentioned, but Jekk'Jekk Tarr is the unofficial official gay server. As official as it can be... My understanding is Bioware themselves dubbed it so.

    There are quite a number of gay guilds on both Republic and Imperial sides.

    Too bad it's a PvE server icon_cry.gif and West Coast.
  • nefficles

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    Jan 24, 2012 10:37 PM GMT
    i just really expected it to be far more polished than it is....i was never too big into star wars though. Im just bored waiting around for guild wars 2 to be released. thought id give swtor a try. failed for me.