Obama's State of the Union Address --- How has 2011 improved things for US Citizens and how did he do in telling us ? Are you anymore hopefull than before ?

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    Jan 25, 2012 12:12 AM GMT
    I'm wondering whether or not its even possible to improve things in the US with so much posturing going on between the two party's. I'm thinking the Public will have to make do as best we can until this election is over, because improvements coming out of this current state of affairs sure aren't going to be coming from Washington. LOL

    What do you think ?
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    Jan 25, 2012 12:25 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidI'm sure the speech will be full of "tax the rich" and "everyone needs to pay their fair share" and "income inequality" and "investing" in education and clean energy and all the other claptrap we've heard for the past 3 years.

    What we won't hear is how by this time, we should be back at 5% growth, how the stimulus only succeeded in plunging us into the Obama Depression, how the number of people enslaved on food stamps is at a record high and how he has run up the debt by $6 trillion.




    How many years after Great Depression did it take to reach 5% growth? It wasn't three.

    Stimulus saved us from a second great depression. That's not debateable.

    Number of people on food stamps grew more under George W. Bush than Obama.

    Yes. Obama has increased debt by 50% but Reagan tripled it.

    Any other ahistorical points you'd like to make? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 25, 2012 12:28 AM GMT
    I voted for Obama in 2008 hoping for Health Care Reform. Got it.

    Also, was hoping for the repeal of DADT with Obama. Got it.

    The economy has improved, the job situation has improved, Bin laden was captured and killed, Gadhafi was captured and killed.

    Overall Obama has had a successful presidency hindered by unprecidented obstructionism from the republican party.
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    Jan 25, 2012 12:28 AM GMT
    One thing for sure is it will end with "God bless the American people and God bless the United States of America"
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    Jan 25, 2012 12:30 AM GMT
    For the second Obama term, im hoping for repeal of Bush tax cuts and legalization of gay marriage.
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    Jan 25, 2012 12:39 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    Number of people on food stamps grew more under George W. Bush than Obama.

    Yes. Obama has increased debt by 50% but Reagan tripled it.

    Any other ahistorical points you'd like to make? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Thanks for illustrating that liberals don't understand the importance of numbers.

    I'll try a simple example here:

    If you had a dollar in your pocket and you were given another dollar by the government, the amount of money in your pocket increased by 100%

    If I had ten dollars in my pocket and I sold $5 worth of beans, I would now have $15 and the amount of money in my pocket would have increased "only" 50%.

    Get the point?



    I understand it completely but - as usual - you want to write in an ahistorical world wherein inflation doesn't exist, previous actions by past administrations doesn't exist, and wherein Obama has done all of this on his own with no blame for the stunning obstructionism from Republicans.

    But reality doesn't occur in a vacuum, though you'd like it to.
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    Jan 25, 2012 1:01 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    Number of people on food stamps grew more under George W. Bush than Obama.

    Yes. Obama has increased debt by 50% but Reagan tripled it.

    Any other ahistorical points you'd like to make? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Thanks for illustrating that liberals don't understand the importance of numbers.

    I'll try a simple example here:

    If you had a dollar in your pocket and you were given another dollar by the government, the amount of money in your pocket increased by 100%

    If I had ten dollars in my pocket and I sold $5 worth of beans, I would now have $15 and the amount of money in my pocket would have increased "only" 50%.

    Get the point?



    I understand it completely but - as usual - you want to write in an ahistorical world wherein inflation doesn't exist, previous actions by past administrations doesn't exist, and wherein Obama has done all of this on his own with no blame for the stunning obstructionism from Republicans.

    But reality doesn't occur in a vacuum, though you'd like it to.



    We haven't had inflation here since soon after Reagan took over from failed Democrat President Carter.

    It's amusing how you and RickRick in particular have to resort to such an obviously desperate attempt at spinning the Democrat's and Obama's $6 trillion debt disaster that they added in just one term.


    Carter failed, eh? So much so that Reagan renewed Vocker's position as Chairman.

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm

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    Jan 25, 2012 1:32 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    Carter failed, eh? So much so that Reagan renewed Vocker's position as Chairman.

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm



    Volcker.

    And I think you have revealed yourself as the one person in the world who thinks the Carter presidency wasn't a failed one! icon_eek.gif


    You're the one touting Reagan, who kept Volcker after witnessing the job he did under Cart'ers administration.

    And are we really going after typos?
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    Jan 25, 2012 3:27 AM GMT
    I love my President.
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    Jan 25, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
    I haven't heard too many speeches, but he was very upbeat and confident. It made me more hopeful for improvement in alternative fuel sources and educational reform along with veterans returning to work.

    I don't know how to feel about the Buffet tax. Romney should pay more than 13%, my tax rate was more. But things get tricky, they "shouldn't be punished for being successful."
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    Jan 25, 2012 3:34 AM GMT
    Excellent speech. Very pleased with most of the points he made.
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    Jan 25, 2012 3:39 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidExcellent speech. Very pleased with most of the points he made.

    It was a re-election speech. He reiterated to improve technology which is the strongest asset we have along with "working together." It was a good speech, but he made a lot of digs toward GOP. Freaking POTUS needs to stop blaming.
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    Jan 25, 2012 3:48 AM GMT
    Notice how Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell and most of GOP sat there not clapping and looking like vile gray-haired bags of acid, rotting with hate from the inside out.
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    Jan 25, 2012 4:00 AM GMT
    commoncoll saidI haven't heard too many speeches, but he was very upbeat and confident. It made me more hopeful for improvement in alternative fuel sources and educational reform along with veterans returning to work.

    I don't know how to feel about the Buffet tax. Romney should pay more than 13%, my tax rate was more. But things get tricky, they "shouldn't be punished for being successful."


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    Like you, one of my main hopes is that there be a major investment in alternative fuel sources and improvements on the use resources we already have. If our nation went at this like when JFK went at investing in going to the moon, we could lead the world in energy innovations and the investment would help our lack of employment opportunities as well.

    Doing the above rather than continuing the interventionist wars for control of oil resources makes a hell of a lot more sense. Remember the Iraq War architect Wolfowicz one of the Israeli NEO CON's in the Bush administration said: "The Iraq war was over oil, WMD's was the most plausible way to sell it". (a paraphrase, but look it up if you doubt it) Now this same group is pushing for war in Iran to continue their control agenda and the propaganda reasoning for war is similar.

    Point is, its a total waste to throw 'good money after bad' to continue the status quo of war misadventure for resource control, when we could spend much less and gain in our foreign relations by investing here at home in peacefule ventures of alternate energies rather than wars.

    Think of where we would be, had we invested just half of what these wars have cost us on better use of current energy resources and innovative new sources. This direction of continueing the use of the Military to control resourses for our interests has got to change, It is costing in a miriad of ways, one of which is blowback as the CIA said was behind 9-11.


    Its impossible to separate these wasteful resource war misadventures from our energy policy even though the wars have been framed as a totally different subject. Reality shows the relationship is intertwined.
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    Jan 25, 2012 4:32 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    Carter failed, eh? So much so that Reagan renewed Vocker's position as Chairman.

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm



    Volcker.

    And I think you have revealed yourself as the one person in the world who thinks the Carter presidency wasn't a failed one! icon_eek.gif


    You're the one touting Reagan, who kept Volcker after witnessing the job he did under Cart'ers administration.

    And are we really going after typos?


    Hehehehe... did you make that other typo purposely? icon_lol.gif

    Fed Heads typically aren't all that responsible for economic success (or failure).


    Which will be a surprise to an entire generation of Republicans who worshiped at the throne of the "Oracle' and his Ayn Rand inspired policies.
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    Jan 25, 2012 6:23 AM GMT
    Did you guys notice that Obama set the Dept of Justice loose to investigate the banks and Wall Street as to who did what that brought our country's economy to its knees ? Sounds like the sweetheart deal for the banks is over, they may end up paying dearly rather than some slap on the wrist settlement and no admission of guilt.
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    Jan 25, 2012 6:25 AM GMT
    realifedad said Did you guys notice that Obama set the Dept of Justice loose to investigate the banks and Wall Street as to who did what that brought our country's economy to its knees ? Sounds like the sweetheart deal for the banks is over, they may end up paying dearly rather than some slap on the wrist settlement and no admission of guilt.

    Who is going to investigate the DOJ for Fast and Furious. As an Arizonan that pisses me the fuck off.
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    Jan 25, 2012 6:53 AM GMT
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    realifedad said Did you guys notice that Obama set the Dept of Justice loose to investigate the banks and Wall Street as to who did what that brought our country's economy to its knees ? Sounds like the sweetheart deal for the banks is over, they may end up paying dearly rather than some slap on the wrist settlement and no admission of guilt.

    Who is going to investigate the DOJ for Fast and Furious. As an Arizonan that pisses me the fuck off.




    Don't know !! But that pales in importance to what the banks (freddy Mac and fannie Mae not excluded) and wallstreet did that's cost the US economy and workers billions.
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    Jan 25, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
    i'm most impressed by Pres. Obama not touting the rescue of US citizen Jessica Buchanan, and Dane Poul Hagen Thisted by the Navy Seals. both had been held captive by kidnappers in Somalia. (the President was told by Defense Sec Panetta as he entered the House Chamber).

    i think the continuing string of foreign affairs' successes under this president will become increasingly important in the election. not a primary issue, but an important 1.

    http://news.yahoo.com/navy-seals-rescue-two-aid-workers-somalia-daring-105651769--abc-news.html
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    Jan 25, 2012 5:11 PM GMT
    tailgater_3 saidi'm most impressed by Pres. Obama not touting the rescue of US citizen Jessica Buchanan, and Dane Poul Hagen Thisted by the Navy Seals. both had been held captive by kidnappers in Somalia. (the President was told by Defense Sec Panetta as he entered the House Chamber).

    i think the continuing string of foreign affairs' successes under this president will become increasingly important in the election. not a primary issue, but an important 1.

    http://news.yahoo.com/navy-seals-rescue-two-aid-workers-somalia-daring-105651769--abc-news.html






    I totally agree !!!


    To be honest, where middle east foreign relations are concerned, Obama is under such pressure from various lobby's right now that he is hamstrung on his options in fowarding peace.

    Watch, he will keep the situation at bay on 'simmer', handily deflecting promotion toward war, he will gently push the peace process between Israel/Palestine through a proxy to temporarily appease Netanyahu, then once this election is over he well come out swinging in promoting a two state solution, both sides will then feel some 'heat'.

    I've been disgusted with Obama's caving to the Lobby re: middle east peace, but just maybe his pragmatizm is patient enough to just bide his time to pull out the right cards once the pressure is off him over this election.

    Obama has done a good job at turning the winds of war in spite of the Lobby's pushing so hard for it. Thumbs up to him for that ! The last thing the US needs is another war and the ramifications from it.