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Has anybody ever tried those things that are supposed to cleanse your system of all that food that sticks to the walls of your intestines? Commercials say after you take their product you lose weight. I'm wondering if their claims are true. I can just imagine taking those and having to be in the bathroom like two days in a row 24/7 ... LOL. I'm willing to do it though if it helps me tone up I guess ...

I think it is a lot of nonsense. Stuff doesnt "stick" to the walls of the intestine. If that were happening, you would have a lot more to worry about than toning up.

and dude..."two days in a row 24/7" ????? ...tee hee hee

I am also in the camp that they are a lot of malarky. But I have tried them about half a dozen times (I did the ordering for a health food store so I was always sent tons of samples). It isn't 24/7 poop fest. You will go like 3-4 times a day but it isn't uncontrollable explosive diarrhea so don't worry.

Sometimes just eating high fiber foods helps me when i want to clean out my system. and cut back on cheese and dairy while you are doing that

MunchingZombie saidI am also in the camp that they are a lot of malarky. But I have tried them about half a dozen times (I did the ordering for a health food store so I was always sent tons of samples). It isn't 24/7 poop fest. You will go like 3-4 times a day but it isn't uncontrollable explosive diarrhea so don't worry.

LOL. Thanks.

You can do all the "cleansing" you need by fasting for a day or two, with water/tea. Like taking a break from working out, the digestive system sometimes really enjoys a bit of a vacation. I usually fast for a day or two when I think my GI tract is in a bit of a funk for some reason, and it usually helps calm things down. Worth a try, for sure, to see if it helps you in any way.

All these "cleansing" products are just getting you to fast, then selling you some "potion" for $59.95 to give you a placebo feeling of "inner harmony and balance."

K

PS How could I refuse posting to a topic titled: "Poop"? I mean, come on!

Gotta love the diversity of subject matter here at RealJock

maybe they should try some prunes

he called the shit poop!

Colon Clear from the Healthy shop will clear you out !

There is some that does cling to your inside and when you take that you will see?



Have a Good Shite? he he he

Cleansing is bullshit. Big waste of money.

Also a waste: those footpads that turn brown when your body "detoxifies" itself.

Food does not stick to your intestines. Weight loss in a cleansing ritual is mainly water weight, which you promptly gain back after the procedure.

Because of the medical danger of cleansing, doctors will tell you it should only be performed under the guidance of a physician, and only for specific reasons (like the introduction of a new drug).

Check here for a respectable source:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/colon-cleansing/AN00065

mickeytopogigio saidFood does not stick to your intestines.

Depends on who cooked it! Eat much grits there mickey?

Caslon4000 saidI think it is a lot of nonsense. Stuff doesnt "stick" to the walls of the intestine. If that were happening, you would have a lot more to worry about than toning up.

and dude..."two days in a row 24/7" ????? ...tee hee hee

I have to disagree completely with you on this this, Caslon. I have done intestinal cleanses in the past and during the first year of doing it I would do it every 3 months, so basically one time per season. And in the beginning there were things coming out of me that were very old. The putrid smell and the appearance of what I saw left behind by me indicated that what I just left behind should have been gone a long time ago. After doing this for about a year those old blackish like 'deposits' were gone. So after the year was up and I kept doing the cleanses my 'deposits' looked normal and I could tell that I finally got rid of a life time of buildup that wasn't leaving my gut.

I don't think everyone has a problem with this but it won't hurt you to try to see if you benefit from this. The claims about losing 10 or 20 lb is a poor marketing tactic that seems a bit unethical to me. I didn't do it to try and lose weight. I did it to try and improve health. There are examples and I've seen pictures where people defecate what looks like a 'sausage casing' of all the decaying matter that stuck to the insides of their intestines. These are the ones that lose some weight but it's rare.

I use the Intestinal Cleanse program by Dr. SChultz which can be ordered online. They're located in Marina Del Rey in case anyone is interested. The cleanse is 2 weeks long. The type of cleanses that only take 1 or 2 days does NOTHING in terms of really cleaning you out. If you've never done a cleanse like this you can't simply take a handful of pills and be expected to clean out a life time of build up and gunk in 48 hours. Even like I said earlier. It took a year of doing my cleanses which amounted to 4 total cleanses and this took roughly 8 weeks out of my life but it was well worth it. I do the cleanses 2x a year now. I now feel like a well oiled machine that was neglected for so long and when my 'oil gets changed' there's no build up or problems, it's just 'maintenance' now.

Now before any of you write some funny remark or express how gross this is I am only posting a picture of this to show you what can come out of you. And remember, even though you may think this is nasty this was at one time the delicious meal you once ate so don't get all girly about it.
So this picture is an image of the build up of sludge that can occur in one's intestines. It comes out and takes the shape of the intestines as if the clay formed to a 'jello mold.' I once saw a photo where it looked like there were occasional protrusions that resembled tentacles. This was also molding to the shape of the intestines and the protrusions that I saw were related to the tears and 'leaks' that can occur with either Crohn's disease or irritable bowel syndrome. I can't remember. But it's quite amazing. Wish I could have found the photo to show you what I am talking about.


How it works:
The intestines have what are called villi that are like hair like tentacles that help collect nutrition and to help move the food along for excretion. However, a diet poor in fiber or a slow peristaltic response for whatever reason can allow food to 'gunk' up and then the villi becomes suffocated in a sense and not only is this unhealthy but now you have a layer of debris over the villi that prevents absorption from other foods that are consumed. So eating healthy becomes impaired since the nutrition from eating well can't be utilized.

The cleanse that I use by Dr. Schultz comes in two parts. You take the first set of pills (Formula #1) the first week before going to bed. The main ingredient is Cascara Sagrada. This natural ancient herb forces the villi to contract and shorten, thus allowing the debris in the intestines to loosen up. This is the first step. Now as you enter week two you continue to take the first formula but during week 2 you also include taking Intestinal Formula #2 throughout the day. The main ingredient in this is bentonite clay and is derived from volcanic ash. It's natural and safe. What it does is it starts to bind to the loosened debris and pulls it out of your intestines.

I'm just giving a brief overview, but if anyone is interested in this and you buy his products it comes with complete instructions. I swear by this. I'm a happy customer. It's not very expensive, it's roughly $40 for the cleanse delivered to your door and it's worth every penny.

Muchmore, all due respect, read the Mayo Clinic article. Dr Schultz is a fraud, and you've been wasting your money.

My shit smells unholy too. But hardly proof of its age.

These two articles are good reading:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/detox.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gastro.html

mickeytopogigio saidThese two articles are good reading:

You want some cheese with those quackers?

And when did that photo appear?

Ugh. Not, as in disgusting. Ugh, as in...THAT convinced you?

If that came out of your ass, I'd say you do have problems. But the source of that turd was not a typical human. It's a scare photo, meant to alarm you as to what could happen in a worst case scenario.

If you had bowel impaction, the last place you'd go is a colonic cleanse clinic. You'd go to an emergency room.

mickeytopogigio saidthe source of that turd was not a typical human.

Can I nominate this for the top RJ forum quote of the year?

mickeytopogigio saidMuchmore, all due respect, read the Mayo Clinic article. Dr Schultz is a fraud, and you've been wasting your money.

My shit smells unholy too. But hardly proof of its age.

Hey, I just explained in detail how it helped me. And it appears to me that the quacker site is operated by an M.D. and although I have respect, although in limited quantities, for medical doctors they are very close minded when it comes to using herbs for healing. Our culture loves to push pharmaceutical drugs to heal whatever ails you. In the western world these drugs make up 75% of our medicines while 25% are herbal. But in the east it is the opposite.

The only reason why Americans are living longer is because of the drugs that they keep pushing on us. I'd rather die at 50 then live another 15 or 20 years in some vegetative dependent state with a low quality of life dependent on drugs. I will explore and do what I can do empower myself by practicing preventative measures to keep my health in tact. And when you think about it, if we could find more ways to be healthier and less dependent on drugs prescribed by doctors than they would be less needed. Golly gee, that doesn't sound good for a doctor and his six figure income. No wonder they're so quick to invalidate other forms of care.

I tried to look through the quacker.com site and it doesn't seem to be affiliated with a neutral party. It's operated by a medical doctor. Medical doctors generally love to gloat and believe themselves to be all knowing when it comes to wellness but even I know more about nutrition than most doctors. Sometimes when I have a discussion with one and I make mention of either the advantages or disadvantages to eating certain fruits/vegetables I've had several doctors arrogantly say, "I've never heard of that before." As if to imply that because they don't know something then how could it possibly be true? And I spit back at them, "Well, yeah. That's because you spend your life treating patients all day and touting pharmaceutical drugs. How could you keep up with the many breakthroughs and verified studies through medical journals that are reported on a nearly daily basis? Are you taking any additional time out of your life to keep updated on nutritional advances? And their answer has always been "No." Many medical doctors usually have no respect for chiropractic care either. And I'm sure you know of at least one person that swears by how much their live is improved by going to their chiropractor on a regular basis.

I know there are quacks out there. I simply was trying to share my positive experience that has helped me. Spending $40 for my own self improvement that I have experienced first hand and firmly know that works is a lot more productive than say spending $40 at some gay nightclub/bar having drinks on any given night.

And also, I looked at the quacker.com site. The operator expresses his disbelief in cleanses and detoxification. Funny that just a few years ago TIME LIFE magazine had a substantially lengthy article on how the cells in our body release toxins/waste products from the foods that we eat. They proved that by eating less that these cells would generate less waste and therefore less toxins in the body and therefore a healthier body with less toxin build up. So in theory, this is a scientific explanation to the benefits of fasting.

A book I saw once at a science book store ..

http://www.amazon.com/Everyone-Poops-My-Body-Science/dp/0916291456

jprswim saidhe called the shit poop!

he called crap shit!

Sedative saidhe called crap shit!

Hey, don't be givin me any of that shit.




I'm SOOO hoping this will be the featured thread of the week

iguanaSF said[quote][cite]Sedative said[/cite]he called crap shit!

Hey, don't be givin me any of that shit.




I'm SOOO hoping this will be the featured thread of the week [/quote]

LOL. I've been loving the replies here. Seems to be a very interesting and much-needed-to-talk-about topic. I think I remember this was featured on Oprah at one time ... did anyone catch it? I remember Oprah then telling her audience something like "okay we need to stop being afraid of talking about this subject" ... or did she say "we need to stop being afraid of talking about poop?" I forget. But seriously, you hear infommercials about this all the time on the radio and I've always wondered if these cleansing things are just a scam or if it's for real. Again, thanks for all the replies so far.

Love the Billy Madison reference.

You can get several cleansing products at whole foods. I have to agree, that if something that looks like an alien comes out of you, then you do have some larger issues. Try doing a Zand cleanse. You can get them at whole foods or GNC. They have a 7 day colon and liver cleans. It is basically a whole lot of fiber and milk thistle. I do one very couple months. I would stray away from any miracle cures. If you are serious about it, you can get a colonic. I have wanted to, but have not yet summoned the courage. Whatever you decide to do, I would take some probiotics and some cultures like yogurt to replenish the flora in your intestines.

The notion that stuff sticks to the lining of the intestines is ridiculous. Not only is there a slick coating of mucous, the cellular lining is continually being sloughed off and renewed. What's there to stick to? I once had a colonoscopy, and after flushing with a gallon of PEG laxative solution, my colon was a squeaky clean tube of pink meat.

That said, I admit I do feel psychologically better when I occasionally get things moving a bit more quickly than usual (my usual transit time is a swift 12-14 hours). My fave way to accomplish that is during Rainier cherry season. I'll sit there and blissfully inhale a whole pound of cherries, and a couple hours later... whoosh!!!

ActiveAndFit saidmaybe they should try some prunes

That is what I buy along with bran cereals (Shreddies, Bran Flakes). I think some of the meds I am on have had some uncomfortable side effects so I try and buy foods that are good laxatives. I also try and drink lots of fluids (juice, water, herbal tea). Sure beats buying stuff at the drugstore.

paradox saidmy colon was a squeaky clean tube of pink meat

After reading that sentence, I have decided to become a vegetarian.

That picture above is not how I wanted to start my day... I haven't even had my Breakfast yet

Just eat whole grains and food rich in fiber and you wont need to take a pill. We depend to much on pills to fix everything..

Back in the 1800's everyone ate good grains so they never had this problem, not some silly poop pill... Which by the way, that turd looks satanic.

High odor is typically (not always) an indication of high protein intake.

Cleansing through fasting and water and tea only, should, if lasting for more than 24 hours, be accompanied by a small amount of sugar in the tea or some decaf but non-diet soda so that there isn't an electrolyte depletion/imbalance that would occur with water alone.

Things like colonics, while occasionally having some benefits, like any enema, will rid you of the good (bacteria, enzymes, protective mucous) as well as the bad. They should be considered with caution.


Coincidentally, last night I caught a rerun of Scrubs which had a musical number called "It's all about Poo."

Though I don't watch the show, it was clever.

after years of decomposition, one has to believe that nearly everything except very fibrous materiel, solid proteins, and minerals have turned to juice. i mean, that's what happens outside the body, right? why would it be any different on the inside in the middle of a bioactive flora who's basic purpose is specifically to break down everything.

that said, the mucosal tissue in the GI tract undergoes rapid changing of the guard. the tissue sloughs off and is regenerated quickly.

i personally think colon cleansing is 99.9% quackery. i can produce demonic paint melting fumes and unholy caricatures and colors just by visiting the grocery store. i can mix in a batch of cherries to put the sluice in high speed motion.

of course our bodies produce waste and toxins from our cells. that's a basic concept of biological process. stuff goes in, stuff comes out. that is why we have a variety of biological filters built into our bodies. we have the liver, the kidneys, the lungs, the skin, etc. all of these organs have a purpose in filtering and exchanging on a microbiological level.

should you eat foods which "cleanse" you? sure. eating healthy ensures this happens regularly. your body is designed to do this from the get-go.

i personally feel that most of these quackery scams are nothing but a mix of a few components that make you shit a lot and color it up well with some foul foul odor. hey, it's perfect proof that your body cleansed itself! all that foul smelling foul looking turdulence coming out? who wouldn't want to be rid of it.

eat a healthy diet, maintain a decent exercise regimen, sleep well, live stress free (after january of 2009) and you won't need to get quack wacked.

FirefighterBlu3 saidfoul looking turdulence

This thread just keeps getting better and better, at least for us sophomoric types.

A high fiber diet will do the trick!

For some reason, I am craving cherries....

Red Hot Chili Peppers - "Porcelain"

I've been taking psyllium husk fiber for a while now, and highly recommend it. I assume if you ate a diet naturally very high in fiber you'd get the same benefit. But for me, the main thing is that taking a tablespoon of psyllium fiber in the morning and one at night keeps my digestive system cruising along, and helped me figure out which foods I don't really digest very well.

Like, in the past, I'd occasionally just kind of feel "under the weather," and I couldn't really identify what I ate that made me feel crummy, and that would be that, and it'd pass. But now if something's going to give me heartburn or acid stomach or any other intestinal malaise it happens the day I eat it, and it's easier to tell.

The Fage yogurt, the strained Greek yogurt most common in grocery stores around here, gives me *crushing* digestive problems, horrible heartburn and cramps and whatnot, but in the past it was this kind of slow-onset thing over several days and I had no idea why I felt so awful. Now I know, and I don't eat it anymore, and I'm much happier for it. (Other yogurts, oddly, agree with me just fine.)

Before I started taking psyllium, I didn't really think I had any food intolerances, and never realized I was often not feeling my best, and just shrugged it all off as "normal." But now that I know better, it's kind of amazing how much better I feel on a routine basis.

But good lord, psyllium has never caused me to shit an alien thing like that revolting photo. I'm certainly more regular.

I actually suspect, incidentally, that eating a diet high in fiber aids with weight loss because digested food doesn't linger in your intestines for anywhere near as long and, I'm totally speculating, but it seems quite likely that you absorb fewer of the calories from it.

OK people. THAT IS NOT SHIT!
It is the LARGE INTESTINE!

If that were a shit, I think only Satan would clam it.

paradox saidmy colon was a squeaky clean tube of pink meat

hobronto saidAfter reading that sentence, I have decided to become a vegetarian.

After reading that sentence, I have decided to become a colontarian.

Muchmore, I stand by the Quackwatch.org website. The MD who publishes that site isn't selling medicine, he's debunking quackery. He usually ends up in court, sometimes after filing a suit, sometimes after being sued. In each article, he provides bibliographies and further reading sources.

In your last reply you mentioned that "Time Life" had an article about toxins released by your cells. Scientific proof of toxins, you said. No need to convince me! Toxins ARE expelled by your cells, into the bloodstream, shuttled into the kidneys and excreted in your urine. Some in your sweat.

Tell me, how do these toxins get trapped in your intestines, which expels waste beautifully?

There have always been poor disaffected doctors who are too busy to give a shit about your health (none here on this site, of course). This is, however, the poorest evidence that quackery works. It's only evidence of WHY quackery exists...and I am with you on that. If legitimate doctors demonstrated better care, if health insurance was cheap, and if people weren't so snowed by quacks wanting to make a quick buck on their fears, quackery would disappear. But save your money and spend more time to find a good doctor.

I do have a poop recommendation: corn. Goes right through me. Cheap, nowhere near the $40 you spent.

Mickey, not sure what you mean when you ask about the toxins related to intestinal health. I was merely making another point in addition to talking about the colon. The foods we eat eventually feed our cells in body. I'm not just referring to the intestine when saying that.
I made mention of this because when I was on the qaucker.com site I glimpsed at an article on there claiming the 'invalid' approach to doing fasts. So I just wanted to write about it on here for a bit.

I know what you're saying about corn. It can push throw me in about less than 12 hours and I can tell how fast my gut is working. Not everyone's peristaltic action is the same. Some health books suggest to eat corn in order to see how fast or how long it takes for food to past through your system.

I don't eat corn anymore because it easily converts to sugar. If you take a look at cultures where corn is a major staple of their diet you tend to notice they are a bit on the chunky side.

DanteCA saidOK people. THAT IS NOT SHIT!
It is the LARGE INTESTINE!

If that were a shit, I think only Satan would clam it.

Satan resents that libelous statement! Satan does not own and will never admit to owning such an... abomination

You'll be hearing from his lawyers.

OK, that picture was totally unnecessary....

But I do cleanse my system daily with 4 big teaspoonful of psyllium husk.

Like one of those cleansing systems, at first, the stuff that came out was black and tar like, after a few weeks, that was gone. Now, I always feel very "clean" inside because I can always go regularly.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-psyllium.html

duglyduckling saidOK, that picture was totally unnecessary....

What's the big deal? People are so uptight when it comes to their bum. It's the same food that you all, we all ingested at our favorite restaurant, or our favorite take out or whatever it is that we all like to eat. This isn't meant for duglyduckling directly, I just had to vent because I know a lot of people feel this way.

It's such a polarity to put so much time and effort and money into what you put in your mouth yet so many don't want anything to do with what comes out of your rectum. Look at all the restaurant commercials on T.V. It's like you're all grossed out by how wonderful the body is and what it's capable of doing.

I also don't understand this along with how people get so grossed out with watching those surgical procedures performed on TV. You're basically saying that you're grossed out by what makes you "you." I for one am fascinated by what our bodies can do. I'd go to cadaver classes to learn more about the body if they weren't so expensive.

Your body isn't just simply a canvass for you to adorn it with pretty designer clothes and hair gel to express the current trends. It's a miraculous organism in and of itself.

Learn to love your bodies from the inside out. Don't be so grossed out by it.

oh no, don't get me wrong, I am the first one to look at my own poop in the toilet every time... just to see how "healthy" I am...

but I just happened to be eating dinner right as I was reading this posting... which made the picture totally unnecessary lol

I've been to "colon hydrotherapists" before and the practice is really another thing besides male (and female) circumcision that Dr. Kellogg was dead wrong about. While it does clean you out, their claim is to go to them about 6 times a year to get the full effect. Sorry, but I got "clean" with a product called Aerobic Bulk Cleanse. It's basically a nasty-tasting fiber supplement you take once or twice a day (if you're brave) and you get "movements" about 3 times a day. It really helps if you plan on any activites later. You just give a good rinse and you're ready to play. Be careful with fiber supplements, though. Too much fiber will bloat you and make you gassy. Just my two cents.

UVaRob9 makes a good point about the bloat. The thing to remember is that adequate water consumption is crucial. This is because one of the jobs of the intestines is to absorb water back into the body. This will be more exaggerated if one is not well hydrated enough. So when you take a lot of fiber and your intestines are trying to absorb water from them (yet it's in overdrive because of a dehydrated state) all that's left behind is a constipated colon. Not comfy!

duglyduckling saidoh no, don't get me wrong, I am the first one to look at my own poop in the toilet every time... just to see how "healthy" I am...

but I just happened to be eating dinner right as I was reading this posting... which made the picture totally unnecessary lol

Well, perhaps in the future don't mix food with reading forum topics that have the word "Poop" in the title.

This forum topic fits in nicely with the one about "Anal Sex is Gross" and "Skidmarks".

Those suffering from repetitive 'skid marks' should install a bidet in their bathroom.

Kitty needs a bath!