Reggeaton Cubano

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    Jan 25, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
    Just came back from vacation in Cuba. I had an awesome time for sure and I also found some reggeaton hits I never heard of until I got there.









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    Jan 25, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
    Just finished a book about Cuba. History from a non judgemental non bias view from the beginning till 2003. I now have aprofound respect for their people and their revolution however warped it got... Def something they had to do. Anyway, thanks for the post.
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    Jan 26, 2012 2:32 AM GMT
    The cuban hombres? Oh my! I've experienced that. Their bravery and courage in history is matched by only a few other cultures in the world. Of course an african cuban told me a different version of the miami cubans version of their true history, but that's neither here nor there. Their music rocks for a reason. Remember that reggaetone comes from another reggae before it. I'm glad you had fun dude.
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    Jan 26, 2012 3:06 AM GMT
    Se hace Reggaeton en Cuba?? Porque nunca entiendo nada de eso en el radio Caribe? icon_evil.gif Manda nos otras, por favor Charlitos!
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    Jan 26, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
    I remember when I was in Cuba... "Besame" was blaring at every other bar.. Ive hated that song ever since...






    But I fell entirely in love with the Guaguancó... I actually bought myself a bongo, a güiro and a maraca in Cuba and taught it to myself after I got back home.. this music still gives me the shivers and, like samba and other afro-folk music, puts me in the altered state of consciousness that the Africa tribes use to communicate with divine beings

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    And shortly after getting a guitar.. one of my first and earliest songs I played on it was... quite simply, "Chanchán"... whenever anybody asks me to play something Caribbean/Latino folk... I always play this.. I consider it an icon of Latin-American music truly.. being sung by the workers on the sugar cane fields ... you wont need me to post it, but I will for others...






    haha, sorry, I know this is not reggeaton, but thinking of Cuban music all this pretty much came back to memory icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 26, 2012 3:39 AM GMT
    araphael saideir true history, but that's neither here nor there. Their music rocks for a reason. Remember that reggaetone comes from another reggae before it. I'm glad you had fun dude.


    It came from Jamaican religious music.. namely that of Rastafarianism.. the origins of that term go back to Indian "raga" which is an indian musical term...

    the Rastafarians borrowed a great deal from the Hindu religion, due to the large influx of indian immigrants in the caribbean... among the borrowed aspects, are what we now associate with them characteristically, such as

    -the term reggae, (from "raga" meaning musical scale)

    -the word ganja (which is not an african holy herb, but a Hindu one, related to the god Shiva who is blue, and its a Hindi word),

    -the dreadlocks (which also, is not an african religious tradition, but a Hindu one),

    -veganism, vegetarianism and growing only ones own vegetables, all can be traced back to India,

    -abstinence, (alcohol being an impure substance in India and not used for ritual purposes, unlike Christianity)

    - and several others....
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    Jan 26, 2012 3:56 AM GMT
    GreenHopper saidSe hace Reggaeton en Cuba?? Porque nunca entiendo nada de eso en el radio Caribe? icon_evil.gif Manda nos otras, por favor Charlitos!


    Es lo que mas se escucha en Cuba specially in nightclubs. Reggaeton has been very popular for over 10 years now in Cuba, among the younger generation it is usually more popular than salsa.

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    Jan 26, 2012 4:11 AM GMT
    Charlitos, ese foro ya me hace extrañar a mi región, aunque me queda un mes antes que me vaya para el norte.. *se pone triste*.. icon_sad.gif.. ya no se como me sentiré.. temo que será my duro .. vivir con la nostalgia :/

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    Jan 26, 2012 5:18 AM GMT
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    araphael saideir true history, but that's neither here nor there. Their music rocks for a reason. Remember that reggaetone comes from another reggae before it. I'm glad you had fun dude.


    It came from Jamaican religious music.. namely that of Rastafarianism.. the origins of that term go back to Indian "raga" which is an indian musical term...

    the Rastafarians borrowed a great deal from the Hindu religion, due to the large influx of indian immigrants in the caribbean... among the borrowed aspects, are what we now associate with them characteristically, such as

    -the term reggae, (from "raga" meaning musical scale)

    -the word ganja (which is not an african holy herb, but a Hindu one, related to the god Shiva who is blue, and its a Hindi word),

    -the dreadlocks (which also, is not an african religious tradition, but a Hindu one),

    -veganism, vegetarianism and growing only ones own vegetables, all can be traced back to India,

    -abstinence, (alcohol being an impure substance in India and not used for ritual purposes, unlike Christianity)

    - and several others....


    Oh my goodness! Is this what is being taught to people about the origin of raffia from de island? Oh man, we don't even know where begin me in correcting such school boyz things. Oh me. 1) the dread start in Ethiopia, 2) word rasta come from language in Ghana, 3) vegetarian is aryan thing, 4) word ganja, this come also from English corruption of the word Ghana, 5) abstinence is trace back to true ancient egypt. I'm astounded at some of these understandings you say. Tell us more of what is being taught about rasta and it's beginnings. I'm interested.
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    Jan 26, 2012 7:00 AM GMT
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    araphael saideir true history, but that's neither here nor there. Their music rocks for a reason. Remember that reggaetone comes from another reggae before it. I'm glad you had fun dude.


    It came from Jamaican religious music.. namely that of Rastafarianism.. the origins of that term go back to Indian "raga" which is an indian musical term...

    the Rastafarians borrowed a great deal from the Hindu religion, due to the large influx of indian immigrants in the caribbean... among the borrowed aspects, are what we now associate with them characteristically, such as

    -the term reggae, (from "raga" meaning musical scale)

    -the word ganja (which is not an african holy herb, but a Hindu one, related to the god Shiva who is blue, and its a Hindi word),

    -the dreadlocks (which also, is not an african religious tradition, but a Hindu one),

    -veganism, vegetarianism and growing only ones own vegetables, all can be traced back to India,

    -abstinence, (alcohol being an impure substance in India and not used for ritual purposes, unlike Christianity)

    - and several others....


    Oh my goodness! Is this what is being taught to people about the origin of raffia from de island? Oh man, we don't even know where begin me in correcting such school boyz things. Oh me. 1) the dread start in Ethiopia, 2) word rasta come from language in Ghana, 3) vegetarian is aryan thing, 4) word ganja, this come also from English corruption of the word Ghana, 5) abstinence is trace back to true ancient egypt. I'm astounded at some of these understandings you say. Tell us more of what is being taught about rasta and it's beginnings. I'm interested.




    And i'm a bit confused over what you're writing..

    1) The dread start in ethiopia? No. Many tribes and cultures throughout history have had dreads, some of them from India.

    2) Don't know about the Ghana reference, but the word rasta comes from Ras Taffari Mekkonen, the name Haile Selassie (the rastafarian prophet/god) had before he was crowned king of Ethiopia.

    3) Aryan is Indian...eh

    4) Where does Ghana come into the picture? It's not even close to either India, Jamaica or Ethiopia. I don't know where u get this from I've never heard that before. Please enlighten me. Source?

    5) No idea about this one, you might aswell be right. Abstinence would probably have occured all over the world in different versions throughout history tho
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    Jan 26, 2012 7:07 AM GMT
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    haha, sorry, I know this is not reggeaton, but thinking of Cuban music all this pretty much came back to memory icon_razz.gif


    This song and this group always make me think of home. Don't have any hispanic in me but their music is often played in the kitchen at my parent's place when cooking. That with the smell of coffee... Love it, very homey icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 26, 2012 7:16 AM GMT
    araphael said, 2) word rasta come from language in Ghana,

    . Tell us more of what is being taught about rasta and it's beginnings. I'm interested.


    Omg, if I showed this to my Rastafarian friends what you are claiming they would be astounded.. and I have a good many... someone else already mentioned the origin of the word Ras Tafari... it is Ethiopian ... his name is 'Tafari" and "Ras" is a term for a prince... in an afro-asiatic language spoken in Ethiopia...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I

    I think before you start calling me out on my schoolboy misconceptions, perhaps you should have a look at history and linguistics and religion in its entirety first.. Ive been studying these things for well up to ten years, and I can easily refute most of what you have said up there
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    Jan 26, 2012 7:19 AM GMT
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    1) The dread start in ethiopia? No. Many tribes and cultures throughout history have had dreads, some of them from India.


    Right you are.. an none of those tribes were West-African as far as I know... most Caribbean African peoples are of the Bantu origins and neighbouring tribes of West Africa... they were not known to sport dreadlocks... conversely, the indian immigrants did sport dreadlocks

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadlocks
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    Jan 26, 2012 7:24 AM GMT
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    araphael said 4) word ganja, this come also from English corruption of the word Ghana,





    4) Where does Ghana come into the picture? It's not even close to either India, Jamaica or Ethiopia. I don't know where u get this from I've never heard that before. Please enlighten me. Source?


    Cannabis is indigenous to Asia.. it was used as medicine and the ancient indian medical textbooks refered to the herb as "ganja".. the notion that its a corruption of the word Ghana is, in light of this fact, and in light of the strong presence of Indian people in the Caribbean, is not really credible...

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)[/url]

    araphael, do some research.. all these facts are very easy to find everywhere, even Rastafarians themselves know about these things
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    Jan 26, 2012 10:27 AM GMT
    araphael said< Tell us more of what is being taught about rasta and it's beginnings. I'm interested.


    Well the best way to go is to look at Jewish religion and Coptic Christianity.. they all have had influences on Rastafarianism... and from what Ive seen, there are also elements of West African ancestor and nature worship as well as some mysticism in it
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    Jan 26, 2012 10:43 AM GMT
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    jodgsk said
    araphael said 4) word ganja, this come also from English corruption of the word Ghana,





    4) Where does Ghana come into the picture? It's not even close to either India, Jamaica or Ethiopia. I don't know where u get this from I've never heard that before. Please enlighten me. Source?


    Cannabis is indigenous to Asia.. it was used as medicine and the ancient indian medical textbooks refered to the herb as "ganja".. the notion that its a corruption of the word Ghana is, in light of this fact, and in light of the strong presence of Indian people in the Caribbean, is not really credible...

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)[/url]

    araphael, do some research.. all these facts are very easy to find everywhere, even Rastafarians themselves know about these things


    True, but there are different strains (I think u know this already ;)) and it's not surprisingly the "cannabis indica" that's from India/Asian region, while cannabis sativa is from (east) Africa as i have understood it.
    Of course there are other strains too, but these are the ones that most consumers will be able to find, often a mix of the two.
    They both have different uses and effects...


    I wonder if this dude is from Ghana..? hehe
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    Jan 26, 2012 10:53 AM GMT
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    True, but there are different strains (I think u know this already ;)) and it's not surprisingly the "cannabis indica" that's from India/Asian region, while cannabis sativa is from (east) Africa as i have understood it.


    Lol, yes I know about strain differences, but according to everything Ive read.. all forms of cannabis hail from Asia.. some say even China.. Ive never heard of it hailing from Africa.. what may have happened, and maybe some sources have this confused, or my own sources have this confused... is that through trade the cannabis was brought to Africa from Asia via the Indian Ocean.. thats the best I can do with what I know and have at hand
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    Jan 26, 2012 10:54 AM GMT
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    araphael said< Tell us more of what is being taught about rasta and it's beginnings. I'm interested.


    Well the best way to go is to look at Jewish religion and Coptic Christianity.. they all have had influences on Rastafarianism... and from what Ive seen, there are also elements of West African ancestor and nature worship as well as some mysticism in it


    Yes man I can see you know what you're talking about. Always nice since some people really don't have a clue about these things, but still claim they do. And i'm not even talking about this Ghana-guy up here ^^, but whoever.. It's frustrating to keep repeating this, I've had these similar conversations LOADS of times! Well well can't expect everyone else to share your interests of course hehe...

    I was gonna mention the Jewish reference earlier about the dreadlocks. I believe they have got that from the old testament. "thou shall not make your head bald with a knife" or some shit like that haha! Can look it up if you like.

    Just thought I'd mention I've been in the reggae business for about a decade or so, so I too, do not just grasp these things outta thin air icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 26, 2012 10:57 AM GMT
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    Just thought I'd mention I've been in the reggae business for about a decade or so, so I too, do not just grasp these things outta thin air icon_smile.gif


    O raelly? Im actually a Caribbean folk musician... including reggae.. tell me more.. Im interested icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 26, 2012 10:57 AM GMT
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    True, but there are different strains (I think u know this already ;)) and it's not surprisingly the "cannabis indica" that's from India/Asian region, while cannabis sativa is from (east) Africa as i have understood it.


    Lol, yes I know about strain differences, but according to everything Ive read.. all forms of cannabis hail from Asia.. some say even China.. Ive never heard of it hailing from Africa.. what may have happened, and maybe some sources have this confused, or my own sources have this confused... is that through trade the cannabis was brought to Africa from Asia via the Indian Ocean.. thats the best I can do with what I know and have at hand


    Would in a way make sense since there has been massive trading going on in the East African/Arabic/India region for thousands of yrs. So that could be why some say it's from eastern africa...don't know and dont care too much to be honest hehe. I'm just glad they both found their way over here icon_cool.gif
    (*puff*)
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    Jan 26, 2012 11:01 AM GMT
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    True, but there are different strains (I think u know this already ;)) and it's not surprisingly the "cannabis indica" that's from India/Asian region, while cannabis sativa is from (east) Africa as i have understood it.


    Lol, yes I know about strain differences, but according to everything Ive read.. all forms of cannabis hail from Asia.. some say even China.. Ive never heard of it hailing from Africa.. what may have happened, and maybe some sources have this confused, or my own sources have this confused... is that through trade the cannabis was brought to Africa from Asia via the Indian Ocean.. thats the best I can do with what I know and have at hand


    Would in a way make sense since there has been massive trading going on in the East African/Arabic/India region for thousands of yrs. So that could be why some say it's from eastern africa...don't know and dont care too much to be honest hehe. I'm just glad they both found their way over here icon_cool.gif
    (*puff*)


    LOL! *performs a blessing from the god shiva.. he who presides over the holy herb* icon_razz.gif

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    Jan 26, 2012 11:03 AM GMT
    oops, sorry Charlitos.. this thread got derailed into a discussion on the origins of reggae.. sorry icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 26, 2012 11:04 AM GMT
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    Just thought I'd mention I've been in the reggae business for about a decade or so, so I too, do not just grasp these things outta thin air icon_smile.gif


    O raelly? Im actually a Caribbean folk musician... including reggae.. tell me more.. Im interested icon_biggrin.gif


    Well I've been collecting reggae vinyls since I was a kid but stopped a few yrs ago cause they're too expensive and not really released anymore actually.

    Started a soundsystem with a friend almost 9 years ago. We are now 6 ppl running it, and have the last years expanded into production (dancehall/reggae/80's digikkal/UK funky/one drop/steppers etc) and video production. Been running clubs and giging around northern Europe for long. We have now moved over to more focus on the production and promotion tho..

    What instrument(s?) do you play?
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    Jan 26, 2012 11:05 AM GMT
    GreenHopper saidoops, sorry Charlitos.. this thread got derailed into a discussion on the origins of reggae.. sorry icon_razz.gif


    yeah oops sorry mate. I did my best to get it back on track with the buena vista post but to no avail...darn
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    Jan 26, 2012 12:40 PM GMT
    def some great tunes
    reminds me of when i lived in the caribean
    somehow when i hear the tunes/beats
    cant help but move automatically