IQ, Conservative beliefs & Prejudice

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    Jan 27, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html
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    "Study Shows Conservatives Are Stupid Quite literally.
    There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy. The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience."
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    Jan 27, 2012 4:04 PM GMT
    Hmmm...if a lot of stupid people joined an AIDS charity, I don't think it would mean the AIDS charity is stupid. icon_wink.gif

    However, considering the rather nasty habit of others posting study stuff on liberal minds etc, this topic is rather expected and the conservatives posting such crap on RJ entirely deserve this topic.

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    Jan 27, 2012 4:09 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Hmmm...if a lot of stupid people joined an AIDS charity, I don't think it would mean the AIDS charity is stupid. icon_wink.gif



    I think you're missing the point here...The point here is thought process.

    While not all conservatives are dumb and not all liberals are smart, the study is showing a connection between certain thought processes and IQ. Frankly, this study isn't much different than the "Fear" study for conservatives, but links fear of change to a higher probability of having a lower IQ.

    Certain physiologic and mental characteristics reinforce certain beliefs. Certain beliefs are embodied moreso in some political spectrums than others - hence, the connection.

    There is no absolute, but, there are studies (on liberals, too, and not always positive), that show trends.
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    Jan 27, 2012 4:14 PM GMT

    I personally think studies of that nature are crap. They are used to attack and belittle either liberals or conservatives.

    Again, considering the propensity of some to post studies that liberals are deficient, this topic is entirely expected and richly deserved.
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    Jan 27, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    meninlove said Hmmm...if a lot of stupid people joined an AIDS charity, I don't think it would mean the AIDS charity is stupid. icon_wink.gif

    However, considering the rather nasty habit of others posting study stuff on liberal minds etc, this topic is rather expected and the conservatives posting such crap on RJ entirely deserve this topic.



    I agree . That is why my headline is not the same as the article's.


    What the article tells me is the object of my contempt is stubborn resistance to incorporating new knowledge and possibly reaching a new conclusion.
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    Jan 27, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    I personally think studies of that nature are crap. They are used to attack and belittle either liberals or conservatives.




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    (couldn't rezist) I totally agree.


    studies are no more than the report on one more experiment.

    One blade of grass can tell you a lot about the next blade of grass, and even about the lawn in a very small radius but it is hardly going to give a very accurate picture of what the whole lawn looks like.



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    Jan 27, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
    Look for the key words:

    socially conservative ideologies
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    Jan 27, 2012 4:58 PM GMT
    As I mentioned in another thread, when considering these studies, it should be noted that people of lower socio-economic strata tend to be conservative and will influence measures of intelligence, knowledge, prejudice, and resistance to change. It should further be noted that such studies generally indicate correlation and not causation.
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    Jan 27, 2012 4:59 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    I personally think studies of that nature are crap. They are used to attack and belittle either liberals or conservatives.

    Again, considering the propensity of some to post studies that liberals are deficient, this topic is entirely expected and richly deserved.


    You need to find problems in order to refute things, you can't just say its crap because you disagree with the claimed findings...

    As much as I wish to believe the results, the article quoted a "large group" was used and anyone with a knowledge of basic statistics would know that you can find anything statistically significant if your sample size is large enough. The author even said "Nosek gave another example to illustrate the dangers of taking the findings too literally."

    Did you even read the article objectively before you started to attack it?

    On top of what I said above the article used an ambiguous average. The numbers can be skewed easily by alternating between mean, median, and mode.

    These also are all implied connections which may not even exist.
    "They found that what applies to racism may also apply to homophobia"
    " People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb"
    "Nonetheless, there is reason to believe that strict right-wing ideology might appeal to those who have trouble grasping the complexity of the world."


    In order to say something is bad you need to prove it!
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    Jan 27, 2012 4:59 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidAs I mentioned in another thread, when considering these studies, it should be noted that people of lower socio-economic strata tend to be conservative and will influence measures of intelligence, knowledge, and resistance to change. It should further be noted that such studies generally indicate correlation and not causation.


    Of course, very few psych studies can ever indicate causation.
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    Jan 27, 2012 5:00 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidLook for the key words:

    socially conservative ideologies



    ...and the conservative parties are flooded with people who have those ideologies because they pander to them to get their votes.

    Tit for tat. This is why the 'liberal studies' are equally so repulsive.

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    Jan 27, 2012 5:02 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    Hmmm...if a lot of stupid people joined an AIDS charity, I don't think it would mean the AIDS charity is stupid. icon_wink.gif



    I think you're missing the point here...The point here is thought process.

    While not all conservatives are dumb and not all liberals are smart, the study is showing a connection between certain thought processes and IQ. Frankly, this study isn't much different than the "Fear" study for conservatives, but links fear of change to a higher probability of having a lower IQ.

    Certain physiologic and mental characteristics reinforce certain beliefs. Certain beliefs are embodied moreso in some political spectrums than others - hence, the connection.

    There is no absolute, but, there are studies (on liberals, too, and not always positive), that show trends.


    The point he missed was that was an attributed quote and probably didn't warrant making it quite so personal. It was almost - dare we say - "ignorant."
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    Jan 27, 2012 5:03 PM GMT
    popstylz said, "You need to find problems in order to refute things, you can't just say its crap because you disagree with the claimed findings..."


    Such studies only serve to create a further divisiveness and achieve nothing in bringing both sides into compromise and teamwork.

    Consider this image; a cart with a horse at each end pulling. What do you think will eventually happen to the cart (country)?

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    Jan 27, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    popostylz said
    Did you even read the article objectively before you started to attack it?



    This bears repeating and deserves answering by the above posters.
    yes or no is all that is requested or required to enlighten so I hope they will be fierce and bold enough to answer.

    Any takers?

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    Jan 27, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidAs I mentioned in another thread, when considering these studies, it should be noted that people of lower socio-economic strata tend to be conservative and will influence measures of intelligence, knowledge, and resistance to change. It should further be noted that such studies generally indicate correlation and not causation.


    Of course, very few psych studies can ever indicate causation.

    What that means is that many conclusions that people might like to draw from such studies imply causation, and are, therefore, not valid.
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    Jan 27, 2012 5:10 PM GMT
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    nanidesukedo said
    socalfitness saidAs I mentioned in another thread, when considering these studies, it should be noted that people of lower socio-economic strata tend to be conservative and will influence measures of intelligence, knowledge, and resistance to change. It should further be noted that such studies generally indicate correlation and not causation.


    Of course, very few psych studies can ever indicate causation.

    What that means is that many conclusions that people might like to draw from such studies imply causation, and are, therefore, not valid.


    Well, I should say this...it depends on the conclusion they want to draw..
    and it depends on the study..

    We have no studies that show that smoking causes lung cancer.
    We have studies that show that smoking is very, very, very heavily correlated with lung cancer..

    It is very, very, very hard to ever show causation in a lot of things, scientifically.
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    Jan 27, 2012 5:14 PM GMT
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    popostylz said
    Did you even read the article objectively before you started to attack it?



    This bears repeating and deserves answering by the above posters.

    Yes I did, and yes I read the liberal brain studies posted by others.

    There was nothing personal meant in my initial post UC. Apologies if you felt so. It was merely a handy example I hoped you might relate to.

    Here's another; if a large number of stupid people joined the NDP, I wouldn't say " Study Shows NDPers Are Stupid Quite literally." as the article title did with conservatives.

    But again, the conservatives on RJ that posted those studies about liberal brains entirely and richly deserve this one (study).



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    Jan 27, 2012 5:14 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidLook for the key words:

    socially conservative ideologies


    THIS.

    I don't think IQs have much to do with anything beyond being able to solve puzzles and think abstractly a little more so than average.

    I mean, my having a 142 IQ hasn't exactly made me a billionaire or anything. icon_razz.gif

    And I am deeply (paleo)conservative on most things, including my natural right to bugger as many hot tight asses as I can before I clock out of this plane of existence, and willfully supporting the natural rights of men who want to get buggered by a willing, horny, and reasonably endowed top. icon_twisted.gif
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    Jan 27, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Upper_Cdn said
    popostylz said
    Did you even read the article objectively before you started to attack it?



    This bears repeating and deserves answering by the above posters.

    Yes I did, and yes I read the liberal brain studies posted by others.

    There was nothing personal meant in my initial post UC. Apologies if you felt so. It was merely a handy example I hoped you might relate to.

    Here's another; if a large number of stupid people joined the NDP, I wouldn't say " Study Shows NDPers Are Stupid Quite literally." as the article title did with conservatives.

    But again, the conservatives on RJ that posted those studies about liberal brains entirely and richly deserve this one (study).





    The NDP one is better.

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    the stupid comment was not in the title.
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    Jan 27, 2012 5:26 PM GMT

    Me know you duz, UC. icon_wink.gif


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    Jan 27, 2012 5:30 PM GMT
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    UC said, "the stupid comment was not in the title."

    Hmmm...I was referring to the joe my god article, not the yahoo one.
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    Jan 27, 2012 6:09 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidAs I mentioned in another thread, when considering these studies, it should be noted that people of lower socio-economic strata tend to be conservative and will influence measures of intelligence, knowledge, and resistance to change. It should further be noted that such studies generally indicate correlation and not causation.


    Of course, very few psych studies can ever indicate causation.

    What that means is that many conclusions that people might like to draw from such studies imply causation, and are, therefore, not valid.


    Well, I should say this...it depends on the conclusion they want to draw..
    and it depends on the study..

    We have no studies that show that smoking causes lung cancer.
    We have studies that show that smoking is very, very, very heavily correlated with lung cancer..

    It is very, very, very hard to ever show causation in a lot of things, scientifically.

    As you know, researchers looking at lung cancer and smoking will control for other factors to more definitively show the strong correlation. On the politically related studies, while there are sometimes controls, such as in a Farleigh Dickinson study on Fox News viewers, I don't think the controls are looked at as rigorously, and certainly articles reporting the study state or imply causal relationships that the studies never indicated.
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    Jan 27, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    Isn't it rather obvious that ignorance is at the base of all prejudice, baseless biases and superstitious religious beliefs ? All through history the masses ignorance has been used to promote self defeating social outcomes, and they allways gravitate toward Conservatism, which historically have always benefited the few.

    Remember what's called the dark ages? It was brought on by the Catholic Church keeping the masses ignorant, while promoting its teachings and interpretations of the bible and science as the only 'truth', and punishing anyone who attempted to learn and promote the truth over bible superstitions. The religious system kept the masses ignorant in every aspect of life and kept nearly all of Europe under its control for hundreds of years.


    All of Conservatism, like being fiscally conservative are not by any stretch based on ignorance, but you can certainly link ignorance to the Conservative's success in gaining votes from the use of social issues based on ignorance and prejudices. Conservatism itself is not to blame, but the leaders of the conservative movements use ignorant beliefs, prejudice and religious based social causes to forward their agenda.

    One of the best examples is the use of bible beliefs to back certain Foreign Policies which have ended up in war, and even now are being used to promote another war. Just ask a Christian Fundi what the bible belief is behind why they back Carte Blanche backing of Israel and promote war with Iran ? Its in the Bible "That nation which blesses Israel will be blessed of god", so the conservative side uses this to back a war of choice by the religious way it packages and promotes the need for the war. This stuff works well for them everytime and its success is solely based on ignorance, beliefs and prejudices.

    And now the Christian fundi Conservatives will ignore and or attack the messenger, because this is a truth they don't want to hear nor admit to. LOL