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    Jan 28, 2012 3:00 AM GMT
    While there are some good points about girls gone wild and half naked women at trade shows . . . I still don't agree with pride parades, or at least the way they are conducted. But that's my opinion, and I would never go to one. I guess if you want to do that kind of thing its up to you, but I really don't think men should be walking around in the tight white briefs in public. In my point of view, it doesn't have to deal with that being a reason we aren't accepted. I just think there are better ways to show your "Pride" then taking to the streets in your underwear.
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    Jan 28, 2012 3:05 AM GMT
    b1o2y3456 saidWhile there are some good points about girls gone wild and half naked women at trade shows . . . I still don't agree with pride parades, or at least the way they are conducted. But that's my opinion, and I would never go to one. I guess if you want to do that kind of thing its up to you, but I really don't think men should be walking around in the tight white briefs in public. In my point of view, it doesn't have to deal with that being a reason we aren't accepted. I just think there are better ways to show your "Pride" then taking to the streets in your underwear.
    That's kind of irrelevant, because people will do it whether you agree with it or not. That's the point of the video. Just because a somebody does something weird or outrageous doesn't mean they should have their rights taken away.
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    Jan 28, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
    bro it up
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    Jan 28, 2012 9:43 PM GMT
    b1o2y3456 saidWhile there are some good points about girls gone wild and half naked women at trade shows . . . I still don't agree with pride parades, or at least the way they are conducted. But that's my opinion, and I would never go to one. I guess if you want to do that kind of thing its up to you, but I really don't think men should be walking around in the tight white briefs in public. In my point of view, it doesn't have to deal with that being a reason we aren't accepted. I just think there are better ways to show your "Pride" then taking to the streets in your underwear.


    While you do bring up good points, I think the idea is that people are allowed to express themselves in very different ways at pride. Because you dont feel like pride should be about walking around in your undies doesnt mean another person does. That being said, it is what you make of it. If I went to pride thinking "the only thing that will happen here is everything that I want to have happen" I would be miserable.

    Pick and chose, it is much better.

    That being said, you are hawt brah. Im sure no one would object to you walking around in your underwear :-)
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    Jan 28, 2012 9:43 PM GMT
    That person on the video wants to be accepted so bad...
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    Jan 28, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
    ^^

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    Jan 28, 2012 9:58 PM GMT
    charlitos said^^

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    hehe

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    Jan 28, 2012 10:01 PM GMT
    I`d recommend that if you have a problem with the image that some people portray during Pride, you attend and march looking like a regular dude. People won`t expand their perceptions of gay culture if half of it chooses to remain invisible­.
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:03 PM GMT
    <3
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:19 PM GMT
    Trepeat saidPeople won`t expand their perceptions of gay culture if half of it chooses to remain invisible­.

    Good point that, however well over half of the "masculine men" are so manly they are afraid to come out of the closet.
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
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    Trepeat saidPeople won`t expand their perceptions of gay culture if half of it chooses to remain invisible­.

    Good point that, however well over half of the "masculine men" are so manly they are afraid to come out of the closet.


    Win.
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:23 PM GMT
    My problem with Gay Pride is that it has become not very interesting to me. Maybe it's not gay enough. To me, it certainly needs an extra level of fabulousness.

    Each time I've gone in recent years, the floats have been few and far between, the outrageous outfits rare, and there have been far far too many groups of people looking normal to the point of boring, walking in khaki shorts and sneakers behind banners that appear to get only one workout a year: held in front of a dwindling number in each group, because now there's a group for everything.

    I would love it if the Pride Parade got a total makeover. Whoever organizes the one here in New York doesn't seem to do anything to raise money for charity or to find sponsors. They make a ton from the Pier dance, but it's kinda gross, dancing on asphalt in a sea of plastic bottles. Unlike whoever organizes the Hallowe'en parade, which keeps getting bigger and better, I'm not aware of them doing anything to stimulate or reward creativity in costumes, presentation or style in the Parade. The only things I have ever heard from Gay Pride organizers is multiple requests for gay groups to buy ads in the program, and then demands for volunteers to do everything from run the dance to being the marshals. The parade still runs hours late every year.

    The Gay Pride parade used to be cutting edge and worth traveling miles to see, whether you were gay or straight. Now, it's just not that gay, in the old fashioned sense of the word.
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:25 PM GMT
    Trepeat saidI`d recommend that if you have a problem with the image that some people portray during Pride, you attend and march looking like a regular dude. People won`t expand their perceptions of gay culture if half of it chooses to remain invisible­.


    95% of those attending a pride festival already are regular dudes and women wearing jeans or shorts and a t shirt, but being an event that celebrates diversity, surely we have enough room for those who value individualism over conformity and have a flair for the outrageous. Why would we of all people advocate leaving some behind and expect them to stay behind closed doors?
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:31 PM GMT
    lilTanker said
    Trepeat saidPeople won`t expand their perceptions of gay culture if half of it chooses to remain invisible­.
    Good point that, however well over half of the "masculine men" are so manly they are afraid to come out of the closet.
    That's because they're too busy whining about how all the other gays make a "bad name" for them. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:45 PM GMT
    ok what is the purpose of this thread?
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
    tobyb saidMy problem with Gay Pride is that it has become not very interesting to me. Maybe it's not gay enough. To me, it certainly needs an extra level of fabulousness.

    Each time I've gone in recent years, the floats have been few and far between, the outrageous outfits rare, and there have been far far too many groups of people looking normal to the point of boring, walking in khaki shorts and sneakers behind banners that appear to get only one workout a year: held in front of a dwindling number in each group, because now there's a group for everything.

    I would love it if the Pride Parade got a total makeover. Whoever organizes the one here in New York doesn't seem to do anything to raise money for charity or to find sponsors. They make a ton from the Pier dance, but it's kinda gross, dancing on asphalt in a sea of plastic bottles. Unlike whoever organizes the Hallowe'en parade, which keeps getting bigger and better, I'm not aware of them doing anything to stimulate or reward creativity in costumes, presentation or style in the Parade. The only things I have ever heard from Gay Pride organizers is multiple requests for gay groups to buy ads in the program, and then demands for volunteers to do everything from run the dance to being the marshals. The parade still runs hours late every year.

    The Gay Pride parade used to be cutting edge and worth traveling miles to see, whether you were gay or straight. Now, it's just not that gay, in the old fashioned sense of the word.


    I understand you are a very successful "super lawyer" in NYC......

    So, we should entertain the crowds as Gay sideshow freaks in order to capture their interest?
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
    Seemingly to provoke flamewars.

    I'm a bit tired of the idea of tiers or masculinity, and like to think most people have gotten past that. Isn't what people "do" more interesting than who they "are"?
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:51 PM GMT
    I've always thought pride parades and festivals where thinly veiled ways for gay guys to have a nother party and maybe get some more sex. It may have been about politics and rights at one time (maybe back in the 70s) but now it is nothing but a big party. (Especially anything in DC.)
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    Awww, Anduru, why do you gotta hate on straight-acting gays? Some of them can't help acting straight. It's just who they are.
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidAlways blows my mind why fem guys get a pass when they create a thread designed to parse up our community and dis half of it...yet when a masc guy creates the polar thread bemoaning fem guys everyone shits down his throat.

    #doublestandards


    That's not a double standard, then. Your masc guy is bemoaning people, not posting something designed to parse up the community.

    Now, I don't like parsing up the community: it turns people against each other and there's no benefit. But if you're presuming that the idea behind a post which parses up the community is to bemoan masc guys, then it's smarter (or at least more passive-aggressive) than outwardly turning on people.

    I wish we could talk about how to make Pride parades better. I guess it's easier to just describe things we hate in others, or offending people we haven't met.
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:15 PM GMT
    Why is it surprising that there's a spectrum of gay guys? Some are fem and some are masc. Some like to march in pride parades and some don't. Just because there are parts of the gay community that I don't identify with and choose not to do, doesn't mean I denigrate those that do. It's just not my thing. Other people can go ahead and do whatever they like. And it's my right to have my opinions about it just as they're welcome to their opinion of me.

    What's the big deal?
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:16 PM GMT
    tobyb said
    yourname2000 saidAlways blows my mind why fem guys get a pass when they create a thread designed to parse up our community and dis half of it...yet when a masc guy creates the polar thread bemoaning fem guys everyone shits down his throat.

    #doublestandards


    That's not a double standard, then. Your masc guy is bemoaning people, not posting something designed to parse up the community.

    Now, I don't like parsing up the community: it turns people against each other and there's no benefit. But if you're presuming that the idea behind a post which parses up the community is to bemoan masc guys, then it's smarter (or at least more passive-aggressive) than outwardly turning on people.

    I wish we could talk about how to make Pride parades better. I guess it's easier to just describe things we hate in others, or offending people we haven't met.


    And this wasn't a thread starting out with ridiculous claims like "masculine guys are an embarrassment to gays," but a thread with a video about those type of claims continually being made here and elsewhere about feminine guys and some of the more unique individuals of the gay population. This thread actually came about following yet another thread here that had turned into 'the evil and embarrassment of feminine men on our community'.
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:17 PM GMT
    tobyb saidI wish we could talk about how to make Pride parades better. I guess it's easier to just describe things we hate in others, or offending people we haven't met.


    I'll bite.

    I think Prides have evolved like the people who participate have. There are a lot more people out now, and there are a lot more tolerant and friendly straights, than there were when Pride was young and a lot more provocative. The same can be said of any event that is "counter cultural" at first, but then actually acts to change the culture by its very existence, and then eventually the difference between the counter-cultural event and the surrounding culture diminishes. Burning Man is another example. There's a ton more.

    What usually happens is that there is a smaller group that spinters off and recreates an event that is once again more sharply at odds than the original event.

    So I suggest just that. Leave Pride as is, but create another Pride. In SF, where Pride is a week-long series of events, the Lesbians have effectively created that with their parade on Saturday, before the "official" event. It's more homey, more counter-cultural, and frankly more fun than the official event has become.

    You could even disassociate with Pride completely. Call it: Vive La Difference! or something. I'd dress up however edgy was required and pay whatever if you actually had interesting music that wasn't played endlessly at the official gay events. (I have very low expectations for "gay" events).

    PS I think that Toby might not be aware of the endless history of the RJ "masc" wars, in particular the same old homophobic ranting that comes up here every pride season by RJ members who become temporarily indistinguishable from the Family Research Council.
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:25 PM GMT
    tuffguyndc saidok what is the purpose of this thread?
    LOL gtfo you're too dumb to understand this discussion.