Art or porn?

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    Jan 28, 2012 10:47 PM GMT
    Inspired by the "Breastfeeding - offensive?" thread, I wondered if people apply the same opinions to nude art - male or female.

    For the people who are opposed to breastfeeding - what are your thoughts on the nude figure shown in public as an artistic display?
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
    It's not porn, but it's not fine art. At least not necessarily. There's a line between commercial art nudes, fitness nudes and fine art nudes.
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    Jan 28, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidIt's not porn, but it's not fine art. At least no necessarily. There's a line between commercial art nudes, fitness nudes and fine art nudes.
    What about Herb Ritts?

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    Jan 28, 2012 10:58 PM GMT
    More Herb Ritts:

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    Jan 28, 2012 10:58 PM GMT
    It depends on the context.

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    Jan 28, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    Man Ray fine art nude

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    Commercial/Fashion nude

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    Fitness nude

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    This next one blurs lines, though. It's a Maplethorpe, generally considered a fine art nude. It uses elements of commercial and fitness, however.

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    Jan 28, 2012 11:02 PM GMT
    Stan904 saidIt depends on the context.
    I'm wondering what people think of the context of what I'm posting in this thread, hence the examples.
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidMan Ray fine art nude
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    Commercial/Fashion nude
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    Fitness nude
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    This next one blurs lines, though. It's a Maplethorpe, generally considered a fine art nude. It uses elements of commercial and fitness, however.
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    I agree that not all nude work is 'fine art', but is it not still art as opposed to being porn because it's generally not created for purposes of voyeurism?
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    some are nude art others are erotic art
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
    Anduru said
    Stan904 saidIt depends on the context.
    I'm wondering what people think of the context of what I'm posting in this thread, hence the examples.


    The first 3 Ritts' fall easy into fine art. The 4th has a more commercial/fashion essence.
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:09 PM GMT
    Ariodante said
    Anduru said
    Stan904 saidIt depends on the context.
    I'm wondering what people think of the context of what I'm posting in this thread, hence the examples.
    The first 3 Ritts' fall easy into fine art. The 4th has a more commercial/fashion essence.
    Can you provide a definition of fine art for the context of the discussion?
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:10 PM GMT
    Anduru saidI agree that not all nude work is 'fine art', but is it not still art as opposed to being porn because it's generally not created for purposes of voyeurism?


    Voyeurism has been a huge subject for a lot of fine art. Even cheesy commercial porn has been re-absorbed into certain high art pieces. Take for example Jeff Koons.

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    Jan 28, 2012 11:14 PM GMT
    Anduru said
    Ariodante said
    Anduru said
    Stan904 saidIt depends on the context.
    I'm wondering what people think of the context of what I'm posting in this thread, hence the examples.
    The first 3 Ritts' fall easy into fine art. The 4th has a more commercial/fashion essence.
    Can you provide a definition of fine art for the context of the discussion?


    A fine art definition for nude photography? You can't pinpoint precisely, but the nude photograph transcends porn, commerce, fitness, etc. when its formal qualities transform it beyond a nude body to express a concept or idea larger than what the image is. The 4th image fell into commerce/fashion because it's composed in a manner that the focus is the staging of the nude males and their movement. They are classical nude male bodies in movement. Their nudity doesn't transcend into a higher concept.
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidA fine art definition for nude photography? You can't pinpoint precisely, but the nude photograph transcends porn, commerce, fitness, etc. when its formal qualities transform it beyond a nude body to express a concept or idea larger than what the image is. The 4th image fell into commerce/fashion because it's composed in a manner that the focus is the staging of the nude males and their movement. They are classical nude male bodies in movement. Their nudity doesn't transcend into a higher concept.
    Ahhhh okay.
    So nude photography for the sake of beauty of the human form is just art, but if there is a conceptual reason beyond that it is fine art?
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidI love Erotic Art !
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    I'm mostly referencing non-erotic nudes, but okay.
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    Jan 28, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    port? arn?
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    Jan 29, 2012 12:00 AM GMT
    Timbales saidport? arn?
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    Jan 29, 2012 12:05 AM GMT
    Anduru saidAhhhh okay.
    So nude photography for the sake of beauty of the human form is just art, but if there is a conceptual reason beyond that it is fine art?


    Sort of. I mean the study of the human figure has been a staple of fine art for centuries. Things changed in the 19th century. Then they changed again, and they keep changing. Something can technically be "fine art", but it doesn't mean it's going to be interesting or "good" fine art (or maybe I should say Academically progressive fine art).

    There are no rules, only very vague guidelines. But I think a solid guideline is the more face value something is the more it will steer away from Academic fine art.

    ..face value can mean a lot of things though...yeah this question is actually really complicated to answer without at least 4 years and an 18 unit course load icon_neutral.gif
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    Jan 29, 2012 12:08 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidAll non-erotic nudes are art to me. The question of "tasteful" is entirely subjective to me (I don't find that artists "Virgin Mary covered in shit" to be art, but I don't have to buy it.)
    omg pic of virgin shit mary plz
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    Jan 29, 2012 12:17 AM GMT
    Anduru said
    yourname2000 saidAll non-erotic nudes are art to me. The question of "tasteful" is entirely subjective to me (I don't find that artists "Virgin Mary covered in shit" to be art, but I don't have to buy it.)
    omg pic of virgin shit mary plz


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    This was the closest thing I could find. It is apparently what happens when Virgin Mary is black, and covered in elephant feces.

    I dont really get it...
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    Jan 29, 2012 12:18 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    Anduru said
    yourname2000 saidAll non-erotic nudes are art to me. The question of "tasteful" is entirely subjective to me (I don't find that artists "Virgin Mary covered in shit" to be art, but I don't have to buy it.)
    omg pic of virgin shit mary plz
    As you wish: icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oh.....
    I thought it was gonna be a statue with feces on it. icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 29, 2012 12:21 AM GMT
    This thread needs more art.
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    Jan 29, 2012 12:21 AM GMT
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    Jan 29, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
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    Jan 29, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
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