GYMS all around " Seems to be decreasing bench press machines and increase cardio equipments "

  • MarcBodybuild...

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    Jan 29, 2012 4:31 AM GMT
    I just noticed that gym are starting a trend of taking away old school bench press equipments , and other equipments such as less lat pull down machines.

    only a few cable fly machines, to make way for more cardio stair master, treadmills , not that its wrong.

    But there are times in the gym that ( IT DOES GET PACKED ) and if they keep increasing cardio machines, and decreasing weight machines. Guess what more waiting time on equipments more than ever.


    Seriously then need to even their equipments out, since people do want to use bench press equipments either flat or incline.


    instead of 2 , make it 4 machines to decrease on the waiting time.

    just my humble opinion
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    Jan 29, 2012 4:12 PM GMT
    MarcBodybuilding saidI just noticed that gym are starting a trend of taking away old school bench press equipments , and other equipments such as less lat pull down machines.

    only a few cable fly machines, to make way for more cardio stair master, treadmills , not that its wrong.

    But there are times in the gym that ( IT DOES GET PACKED ) and if they keep increasing cardio machines, and decreasing weight machines. Guess what more waiting time on equipments more than ever.


    Seriously then need to even their equipments out, since people do want to use bench press equipments either flat or incline.


    instead of 2 , make it 4 machines to decrease on the waiting time.

    just my humble opinion



    Yeah, I hear ya. My trainer walked me pass them
    and said, " these machines sell memberships but we won't be using them ". and the fat chicks on the cardio machines get fatter and fatter but spend 4 x more gym time than me.
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    Jan 29, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
    They should be getting equal amounts of machines. But, with the new hit " I'm going to lose weight because Michelle Obama said I can " going into effect people are going over board. It annoys me that people who are obviously not going to try more than a week are taking up the machine. I mean I understand they want to get into shape but going .5 on the treadmill will not do squat for you -.- Don't get me wrong I enjoy getting my daily fair share of cardio myself.. but I run at 8.5-10.0 not a slowly dragging myself out of bed pace. Annnywayy

    The gym's that offer more cardio machines now a days are going to receive more memberships around town because people want to achieve that Non-Obese american look. Compared to the gym that may offer less cardio machine they will gain some memberships but maybe not as much from lets say.. the older population who is only looking for slight exercise to keep themselves limber.

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    Jan 29, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
    Good thread..

    I think it's due to a few factors.. the main factor perhaps being the mighty dollar. There are more obese people who are looking to lose weight and have the mentality that cardio equipment is the only and best way, when in fact they should incorporate a weight training program. Obese people will always be a client, whether it's because they decided to make a change, or their doctor told them they have to do it. Next, there are people who are slim who wish to stay slim and toned, so cardio is their thing. Even though they may use the free weights in the gym at times, they have weights at home that will suffice. Also, many women in general do not use the free weights and almost always use cardio equipment. Then of course there are people who are working to build muscle.. They still need the cardio machines for the obvious reason and also to help regulate body fat and make those muscles look even better. In a nutshell, pretty much everyone will use the cardio equipment and not everyone is using the weight training equipment. So, in order to keep clients and get new clients, they try to provide more of what the majority of people are using. The idea is that the usage of the weight benches can be figured out amongst those who are using them. In general, when the the gym gets too packed, it's left up to the members to figure it out. Some might choose to leave, change schedules, or not come. To the gym sales associates, it doesn't matter because more than likely the member is already locked into a contract. If the member doesnt come, it's ok. They can solve their space issue and get paid as well. They will probably get 5 new members for every one contract that's not renewed anyway.

    Another factor is that many gyms are more so FITNESS centers. That's great, however not for the "body builder/power lifter". Things like.. grunting, yelling, chalking, are not really wanted and certainly not encouraged. lol. However they don't wish to discourage people who are looking to build.. that's why they let the dumbbells go above 100lbs. So, they put in moooore cardio equipment and just enough weight training equipment to satisfy lifters, not to make them happy. ( I would say to feed, not fatten.. but that's not a good word right now.)

    Another factor is that people use the cardio equipment for a longer amount of time than people use weight benches. The average person might use the cardio machine for 20-30 minutes. Many will do 45mins-1hour. But the time spent on a bench is probably about.. 5 - 8 minutes.. at the most 10. So, it would make more sense to them to provide more cardio equipment because their is a longer amont of time between users.

    =^)

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    Jan 29, 2012 5:39 PM GMT
    Machines help get people into the gym. I think a big turn off to many new comers is the feeling of being inferior or seen as a newb when lifting weights next to groups of ripped bro dudes.

    I think this shows in gym setups. I've never seen a gym where all the benches and weights are setup to face rows of machines or treadmills. The machines are always setup to face the backs of those lifting weights.
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    Jan 29, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    CamJammin saidThey should be getting equal amounts of machines. But, with the new hit " I'm going to lose weight because Michelle Obama said I can " going into effect people are going over board. It annoys me that people who are obviously not going to try more than a week are taking up the machine. I mean I understand they want to get into shape but going .5 on the treadmill will not do squat for you -.- Don't get me wrong I enjoy getting my daily fair share of cardio myself.. but I run at 8.5-10.0 not a slowly dragging myself out of bed pace. Annnywayy

    The gym's that offer more cardio machines now a days are going to receive more memberships around town because people want to achieve that Non-Obese american look. Compared to the gym that may offer less cardio machine they will gain some memberships but maybe not as much from lets say.. the older population who is only looking for slight exercise to keep themselves limber.

    Rant Over.


    I understand what you are saying, however that attitude towards people who are not on the same physical level as you is one reason why people do not want to go to the gym.. and the reason why Planet Fitness has that tagline "no judgement zone". It's bad enough that they have to go into an alien like world and feel like eveyone is looking at them, talking about them, and thinking things about them. People who are starting a new fitness programo must go through a proceess which involves building up. Going from doing absolutely nothing and then going to a gym and get on the treadmill to walk at a pace of .5 is a pace in the right direction. with encouragement, motivation, and determination, they will build up to 8.5 - 10.0. When you are in a place where others wish to be and could actually make it, you should perhaps encourage them and provide motivation and positive rapport. That's like if you are not benching 300 lbs and some power lifter says you are wasting their time lifting that light weight because it is not going to do anything for you. It wouldn't feel good and i doubt you would continue to lift without feeling uncomfortable in a room full of muscled up guys. I think it would be cool if you encourage and motivate someone in your gym. it would mean a lot to them, help build self esteem, self confidence, and reach their fitness goals. Who knows, you're just 18.. You might need someone to help you out in someway one day.
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    Jan 29, 2012 7:24 PM GMT
    Gyms are trying to sell memberships. They can sell more memberships targeting "families" than the more serious bodybuilder.

    Thus, they put in rows and rows of cardio machines for the soccer moms and stay at home housewives. And outdoor pools with slides for the kids. Combine that with kids club and family lockerrooms. And the free weight are looks like an afterthought.

    I like to stick to the older gyms in town where the free weight area dominates, one row of cardio, and the family values crowd is at a minimum.
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:06 PM GMT
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    CamJammin saidThey should be getting equal amounts of machines. But, with the new hit " I'm going to lose weight because Michelle Obama said I can " going into effect people are going over board. It annoys me that people who are obviously not going to try more than a week are taking up the machine. I mean I understand they want to get into shape but going .5 on the treadmill will not do squat for you -.- Don't get me wrong I enjoy getting my daily fair share of cardio myself.. but I run at 8.5-10.0 not a slowly dragging myself out of bed pace. Annnywayy

    The gym's that offer more cardio machines now a days are going to receive more memberships around town because people want to achieve that Non-Obese american look. Compared to the gym that may offer less cardio machine they will gain some memberships but maybe not as much from lets say.. the older population who is only looking for slight exercise to keep themselves limber.

    Rant Over.


    I understand what you are saying, however that attitude towards people who are not on the same physical level as you is one reason why people do not want to go to the gym.. and the reason why Planet Fitness has that tagline "no judgement zone". It's bad enough that they have to go into an alien like world and feel like eveyone is looking at them, talking about them, and thinking things about them. People who are starting a new fitness programo must go through a proceess which involves building up. Going from doing absolutely nothing and then going to a gym and get on the treadmill to walk at a pace of .5 is a pace in the right direction. with encouragement, motivation, and determination, they will build up to 8.5 - 10.0. When you are in a place where others wish to be and could actually make it, you should perhaps encourage them and provide motivation and positive rapport. That's like if you are not benching 300 lbs and some power lifter says you are wasting their time lifting that light weight because it is not going to do anything for you. It wouldn't feel good and i doubt you would continue to lift without feeling uncomfortable in a room full of muscled up guys. I think it would be cool if you encourage and motivate someone in your gym. it would mean a lot to them, help build self esteem, self confidence, and reach their fitness goals. Who knows, you're just 18.. You might need someone to help you out in someway one day.



    I see where your coming from as well. I'm almost positive I would think completely different about the topic if my hometown wasn't so unhealthy. Driving down the main you will see at least three middle aged men sitting on the porch with a 6 pack of some brand of cheap bear. It's quite sad, I probably could have worded what I had said better but I got into a disgruntled state.
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    These businesses have to cater to people who arrive during peak times to wait for off-peak traffic, get their sweat on, then run home and cook dinner.

    Gym industry probably isn't delighted they have to invest in more $5K-$8K per cardio machine that require frequent part replacement so their fickle customers won't bitch because they have to wait for a machine.

    The weightlifters are going to endure/accommodate far more than the Cardio-only folks.

    At least that seems to be the case in the large cities I've lived in.
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    Market demands alright... But then there are a few out there that are in it for the real deal and haven't been bought over by a chain gym.

    I blame marketers in general... Everything now has to be standardized and branded or we won't buy it. Nothing stands up on the value or quality of the product anymore.

    People are too stupid/lazy to investigate if a gym is any good for themselves they rely on the word of others and a familiar color scheme/logo. Of your too lazy to investigate for yourself... Then you have zero chance of escaping being a fatass
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
    BTW... I love it when a personal trainer points to this hulking overly complex machine labeled "ab crunch" and say "don't use that machine. We have them because people expect us to have them. But, I'm telling you I don't want you to use it."
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    Jan 29, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    That's one reason I go to ATF(24hr) gym. I can go when less people are there and I don't have to wait for anything...11pm till 1am or AnyTime. But. That works for me.
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    Jan 29, 2012 10:15 PM GMT
    Both aerobic and muscle fitness are important. However, I see people using the aerobic machines when the weather is very nice and they could be outside walking, running, or bicycle riding. Granted that that is not always possible since many people live in areas not conducive to exercising outside and they have little choice but to use machines. And, the aerobic machines are convenient to use for warming up before doing the muscle building exercises.

    The gym where I work out has free weights, machines (lat pull down, etc.), as well as stair climbers, tread mills, stationary bicycles, etc., so I have no complaints about the available equipment.

    Someone mentioned bench pressing. It seems that the bench press has become less popular, but the fly dumbell exercise does about the same thing anyway.
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    Jan 29, 2012 10:21 PM GMT
    A power cage (squat rack) tall enough to do weighted pull-ups on from, a bench, an olympic bar, some detent pins, and an assortment of plates is all that is needed.

    Maybe some dumbbell pairs or kettlebells, and a TRX suspension strap for core work if you want to go the extra mile.
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    Jan 29, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
    Not all cardio machines are the same. Many of them now offer a pretty significant degree of resistance and incline as well. I think a lot of it depends on your goals. The truth is that there are A LOT of people who've lost significant weight and kept it off by just doing resistance cardio and eating healthy. I lost 50lbs that way 4 years ago and haven't looked back.

    The arrogant "cardio machines are a waste of time" comments by the meatheads who have a naturally high metabolism gets boring. It's like people who say that you can't lose weight through cycling classes. The point of the cardio machines is to find more entertaining ways to keep your body moving for several hours a week. This is because so much of weightloss/fitness is mental. I do agree, however, that the free weight sections are getting more compressed and outnumbered.
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    Jan 30, 2012 3:07 AM GMT
    Brownale saidNot all cardio machines are the same. Many of them now offer a pretty significant degree of resistance and incline as well. I think a lot of it depends on your goals. The truth is that there are A LOT of people who've lost significant weight and kept it off by just doing resistance cardio and eating healthy. I lost 50lbs that way 4 years ago and haven't looked back.

    The arrogant "cardio machines are a waste of time" comments by the meatheads who have a naturally high metabolism gets boring. It's like people who say that you can't lose weight through cycling classes. The point of the cardio machines is to find more entertaining ways to keep your body moving for several hours a week. This is because so much of weightloss/fitness is mental. I do agree, however, that the free weight sections are getting more compressed and outnumbered.


    From what others have written, that appears to be true. However, it is not true of the Defined Fitness gym which I use. There are racks of dumbells ranging from 2 lbs. to something far beyond what I would ever use, and in 2.5 lb increments. There are also racks of barbells. Occasionally, however, I have to wait for a bench, partly because I like to use a bench on which I can have the head end sloped slightly upward. Usually I can avoid waiting for what I need for upper body exercises by doing one of the leg exercises until what I want is free.

    There are also a variety of machines for muscle building, including cable machines, leg presses, etc. etc. So, I use a mix of free weights and machines. It would be very difficult to find a better equipped gym, and I've seen many gymnasia.
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    Jan 30, 2012 3:38 AM GMT
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    CamJammin saidThey should be getting equal amounts of machines. But, with the new hit " I'm going to lose weight because Michelle Obama said I can " going into effect people are going over board. It annoys me that people who are obviously not going to try more than a week are taking up the machine. I mean I understand they want to get into shape but going .5 on the treadmill will not do squat for you -.- Don't get me wrong I enjoy getting my daily fair share of cardio myself.. but I run at 8.5-10.0 not a slowly dragging myself out of bed pace. Annnywayy

    The gym's that offer more cardio machines now a days are going to receive more memberships around town because people want to achieve that Non-Obese american look. Compared to the gym that may offer less cardio machine they will gain some memberships but maybe not as much from lets say.. the older population who is only looking for slight exercise to keep themselves limber.

    Rant Over.


    I understand what you are saying, however that attitude towards people who are not on the same physical level as you is one reason why people do not want to go to the gym.. and the reason why Planet Fitness has that tagline "no judgement zone". It's bad enough that they have to go into an alien like world and feel like eveyone is looking at them, talking about them, and thinking things about them. People who are starting a new fitness programo must go through a proceess which involves building up. Going from doing absolutely nothing and then going to a gym and get on the treadmill to walk at a pace of .5 is a pace in the right direction. with encouragement, motivation, and determination, they will build up to 8.5 - 10.0. When you are in a place where others wish to be and could actually make it, you should perhaps encourage them and provide motivation and positive rapport. That's like if you are not benching 300 lbs and some power lifter says you are wasting their time lifting that light weight because it is not going to do anything for you. It wouldn't feel good and i doubt you would continue to lift without feeling uncomfortable in a room full of muscled up guys. I think it would be cool if you encourage and motivate someone in your gym. it would mean a lot to them, help build self esteem, self confidence, and reach their fitness goals. Who knows, you're just 18.. You might need someone to help you out in someway one day.



    I see where your coming from as well. I'm almost positive I would think completely different about the topic if my hometown wasn't so unhealthy. Driving down the main you will see at least three middle aged men sitting on the porch with a 6 pack of some brand of cheap bear. It's quite sad, I probably could have worded what I had said better but I got into a disgruntled state.


    LoL.. it's okay. Those who are not doing anything to help themselves can't ask for your help. Those who are trying would benefit from your help.. even if it's just the phrase "good job". Don't let those keg belly guys in your town put you in a disgruntled state. Just jog by with your 6 pack glistening and let them think about getting a 6 pack on their bellies instead of in their bellies. =^)