Freedom of speech or hate speech.

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    Jan 29, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    Why is that people often think that hate speech laws will be a violation of freedom of speech? Why is that calling some a f*gg*t is perfectly acceptable and within the realms of free speech but calling someone a n*gger, ch*nk, be*ner, curry rancher etc is racist? I live in Canada and we have hate speech laws here and it doesn't curtail our freedom of speech. My point is that when one shows public hatred towards a racial group or gender bias etc they are quickly labeled as racist and sexist, something that shouldn't have any place in society but when the same hatred is shown towards homosexuals, it suddenly becomes a matter of free speech. Hipocrisy!

    Add to that, it is not just homophobic heterosexuals, There is a whole bunch of people here on RJ who share a similar view.
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    Jan 31, 2012 7:09 PM GMT
    You are so true. Homosexuals (gays/queers/bisexuals, etc.) are the 'Communists-under-the-bed' (or in?) or around the corner fear of the 1950s. Only those of the Muslim faith or atheists are despised more (fueled by ignorance). Many of the smug I've got mine to hell with the rest of you conservatives - being a true conservative used to mean 'leave me alone' - here on RealJock need to go crack a history book.
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    Jan 31, 2012 8:53 PM GMT
    We must not misunderstand "hate speech."

    advocating action directed at a group is hate spech. Saying you hate them, making sweeping generalizatons or perpetuating stereotypes is not "hate speech."
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    Jan 31, 2012 9:04 PM GMT
    OMG if they bring in Anti hate speech laws, what will the off center left here, have left to say? It will take away their voice!
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    Feb 01, 2012 2:54 AM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidWe must not misunderstand "hate speech."

    advocating action directed at a group is hate spech. Saying you hate them, making sweeping generalizatons or perpetuating stereotypes is not "hate speech."


    True but when this hatred is shown towards gays, it becomes a debate of freedom of speech but when it directed at other groups, it is seen as intolerance.
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    Feb 01, 2012 3:33 AM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidWe must not misunderstand "hate speech."

    advocating action directed at a group is hate spech. Saying you hate them, making sweeping generalizatons or perpetuating stereotypes is not "hate speech."
    So if I repeated many people I've heard by saying things like "those doggamn niggers need to be rounded up and sent back to Africa," that would be considered "freedom of speech?"
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    Feb 04, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Upper_Cdn saidWe must not misunderstand "hate speech."

    advocating action directed at a group is hate spech. Saying you hate them, making sweeping generalizatons or perpetuating stereotypes is not "hate speech."
    So if I repeated many people I've heard by saying things like "those doggamn niggers need to be rounded up and sent back to Africa," that would be considered "freedom of speech?"


    No-no. That would be racism. Freedom of speech is only a concern when gay liberty and dignity is involved.
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    Feb 04, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
    Perhaps this excerpt from the Southern Poverty Law Center might help define what constitutes hate speech and contribute to a discussion of what might reasonably be open to prosecution:

    Generally, the SPLC’s listings of these groups is based on their propagation of known falsehoods — claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities — and repeated, groundless name-calling. Viewing homosexuality as unbiblical does not qualify organizations for listing as hate groups.

    Here in Washington we're bracing for an onslaught from NOM, trying to overturn our almost-accomplished marriage equality legislation, so hate speech is in the air.

    The problem is that once someone utters a smear, it will stick in a lot of minds, no matter how reasonable the refutation. And if. like NOM's lies, it influences people to discriminate, or even to acts of violence - maybe some statues against hate speech may not be a bad thing.