Sometimes Republicans are Forgetful

  • conservativej...

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    Jan 29, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
    It is simple fact that moderate and liberal Republicans believe that in order to capture the White House this year that the party must put forward a liberal/moderate candidate. Such a belief gave us George W. Bush. I will not defend Bush on his own addition of $4 trillion to the national debt and a tax policy that has led to 47% of Americans not paying one cent in federal taxes. (In fact, with his refundable credits, he over-turned Clinton's welfare reform.)

    Such belief put forward John McCain whose clock was shall we say "cleaned."

    This is my question for all our Romney supporters: is Romney electable if all of the Republican "conservatives" remain at home on November 6, 2012? This IS what occured in 2008.
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    Jan 29, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidIt is simple fact that moderate and liberal Republicans believe that in order to capture the White House this year that the party must put forward a liberal/moderate candidate. Such a belief gave us George W. Bush. I will not defend Bush on his own addition of $4 trillion to the national debt and a tax policy that has led to 47% of Americans not paying one cent in federal taxes. (In fact, with his refundable credits, he over-turned Clinton's welfare reform.)

    Such belief put forward John McCain whose clock was shall we say "cleaned."

    This is my question for all our Romney supporters: is Romney electable if all of the Republican "conservatives" remain at home on November 6, 2012? This IS what occured in 2008.
    Yep.. and the harder to the right, the worse it gets.. the world and its views have changed drastically over the last ten years..

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    Jan 29, 2012 6:29 PM GMT
    Yup.

    The Repubs are nuts to nominate the unlikeable and unelectable Mitt Romneycare.

    Mitt isn't even going to be able to win his home state of MA.
    In fact he will lose MA by double digits.

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    Jan 29, 2012 7:04 PM GMT
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    RickRick91 saidYup.

    The Repubs are nuts to nominate the unlikeable and unelectable Mitt Romneycare.

    Mitt isn't even going to be able to win his home state of MA.
    In fact he will lose MA by double digits.



    That's right RickRick - in fact, for each percentage point Romney loses in MA, that's the amount that President Obama will add to the debt over a 2nd Obama term - so double digits does seem about right.


    RickRick you just caused Hell to freeze over. If Mitt Romney is the nominee, I will sit this one out and vote in the House and Senate races. At least with Obama he makes no bones about his intent. I can face an enemy. I have no patience for an enemy standing in my own ranks.
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    Jan 29, 2012 7:11 PM GMT
    conservativejock said
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 saidYup.

    The Repubs are nuts to nominate the unlikeable and unelectable Mitt Romneycare.

    Mitt isn't even going to be able to win his home state of MA.
    In fact he will lose MA by double digits.



    That's right RickRick - in fact, for each percentage point Romney loses in MA, that's the amount that President Obama will add to the debt over a 2nd Obama term - so double digits does seem about right.


    RickRick you just caused Hell to freeze over. If Mitt Romney is the nominee, I will sit this one out and vote in the House and Senate races. At least with Obama he makes no bones about his intent. I can face an enemy. I have no patience for an enemy standing in my own ranks.





    I think your attitude is the smarter choice for the long term future of the Repub party.

    Nominating a craven unlikeable flip-flopper like Mitt Romneycare will reflect poorly on the integrity (or lack thereof) of the entire Repub party.

    Plus Ronney is not going to win anyway.

    The Repubs would be better off nominating someone with more honor and integrity.

    And TRULY - anybody and everybody has more honor and integrity than Mitt Romneycare!
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    Jan 29, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
    CJ, we know exactly what we get with Romneybama.

    I'm just sick of voting against somebody. For once, I'd like to vote for someone. Unfortunately, no one's really running who I'm for. Maybe in 2016. icon_confused.gif

    But I'll still cast my vote against this extremist we have in office now. He's gotta go.
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    Jan 29, 2012 7:14 PM GMT
    conservativejock said..This is my question for all our Romney supporters: is Romney electable if all of the Republican "conservatives" remain at home on November 6, 2012? This IS what occured in 2008.

    1) I think your assumption is invalid. Can't put my finger on it, but within the past two days I saw a poll that indicated the majority of supporters of any Republican candidate, except for Paul's supporters, would support any Republican nominee over Obama. Not surprising because the desire to change the Administration is intense.

    2) The problem Gingrich has is with the moderates, and the fact he would energize the left significantly. He is the most polarizing figure, his are the highest negatives nationally.

    3) The ethics report on-line shows Gingrich with his attorney made statements not only inaccurate, but false.

    4) Many of his former colleagues have labeled him in different terms, a disaster, based on stability, questionable core values, ethics, and lack of leadership. He tries to marginalize that by calling them "establishment", but will that hold up? He is the consummate Washington insider. Do you seriously think if someone were applying for a job, and a significant number of past colleagues were highly negative, a hiring manager would be swayed by a retort, "They're just establishment. I have new ideas they just didn't appreciate."

    5) Electability is key, and I think in the final analysis, Romney will win out. Shouting at moderators doesn't a campaign make.

    conservativejock said If Mitt Romney is the nominee, I will sit this one out and vote in the House and Senate races. At least with Obama he makes no bones about his intent. I can face an enemy. I have no patience for an enemy standing in my own ranks.

    Not surprised that there are supporters of one candidate making such statements about others, certainly showing they would be piqued if their chosen candidate were not the nominee. Whatever individual supporters would do, the choice between Obama and Romney couldn't be clearer, anti-business versus pro-business, class warfare and social engineering versus free market and providing a fair opportunity versus guaranteed results. Sit it out if you like, whatever.
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:24 PM GMT
    RIGuy60 said CJ, we know exactly what we get with Romneybama.

    I'm just sick of voting against somebody. For once, I'd like to vote for someone. Unfortunately, no one's really running who I'm for. Maybe in 2016. icon_confused.gif

    But I'll still cast my vote against this extremist we have in office now. He's gotta go.


    Ah, Romneybama. You do realize I hold Swiss citizenship? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
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    conservativejock said..This is my question for all our Romney supporters: is Romney electable if all of the Republican "conservatives" remain at home on November 6, 2012? This IS what occured in 2008.

    1) I think your assumption is invalid. Can't put my finger on it, but within the past two days I saw a poll that indicated the majority of supporters of any Republican candidate, except for Paul's supporters, would support any Republican nominee over Obama. Not surprising because the desire to change the Administration is intense.

    2) The problem Gingrich has is with the moderates, and the fact he would energize the left significantly. He is the most polarizing figure, his are the highest negatives nationally.

    3) The ethics report on-line shows Gingrich with his attorney made statements not only inaccurate, but false.

    4) Many of his former colleagues have labeled him in different terms, a disaster, based on stability, questionable core values, ethics, and lack of leadership. He tries to marginalize that by calling them "establishment", but will that hold up? He is the consummate Washington insider. Do you seriously think if someone were applying for a job, and a significant number of past colleagues were highly negative, a hiring manager would be swayed by a retort, "They're just establishment. I have new ideas they just didn't appreciate."

    5) Electability is key, and I think in the final analysis, Romney will win out. Shouting at moderators doesn't a campaign make.

    conservativejock said If Mitt Romney is the nominee, I will sit this one out and vote in the House and Senate races. At least with Obama he makes no bones about his intent. I can face an enemy. I have no patience for an enemy standing in my own ranks.

    Not surprised that there are supporters of one candidate making such statements about others, certainly showing they would be piqued if their chosen candidate were not the nominee. Whatever individual supporters would do, the choice between Obama and Romney couldn't be clearer, anti-business versus pro-business, class warfare and social engineering versus free market and providing a fair opportunity versus guaranteed results. Sit it out if you like, whatever.


    My assumption is SoCal that your conservative friends in California are not unlike conservatives in the great state of Massachusetts. Hardly conservative to say the least. Therefore, I applaud you on supporting Romneybama. I do not think however I would come remotely close to lecturing nyone else on whether they shoul tow the liberal Republican line and vote for Romneybama over Bamaromney.

    Come visit the South sometime and I'll introduce you to Conservatives.
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:42 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidMy assumption is SoCal that your conservative friends in California are not unlike conservatives in the great state of Massachusetts. Hardly conservative to say the least. Therefore, I applaud you on supporting Romneybama. I do not think however I would come remotely close to lecturing nyone else on whether they shoul tow the liberal Republican line and vote for Romneybama over Bamaromney.

    Come visit the South sometime and I'll introduce you to Conservatives.

    As far as I am concerned, my greatest interest is electing someone pro-business with the economic positions we need who I think can win. That trumps who is considered most conservative. While Gingrich has conservative credentials, he is not reliably pro-conservative or pro-business.

    Gingrich has been inconsistent on cap and trade:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/dec/07/newt-gingrich/gingrich-claims-he-never-favored-cap-and-trade/

    Gingrich has also criticized private equity. He first did it during the Iowa campaign to get at Romney and Bain. When there was backlash, he admitted he was wrong to have made that criticism, that he crossed the line. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71336.html
    But then he did it again.

    And regardless of how conservative he is or isn't, or how reliable he is or isn't, having scores of former colleagues claim in different terms he is a disaster is not a winner for the either the nomination or the general election.
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:45 PM GMT
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    Come visit the South sometime and I'll introduce you to Conservatives.
    Where? In Lausanne? Belinzona? Lugano?
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:51 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidIt is simple fact that moderate and liberal Republicans believe that in order to capture the White House this year that the party must put forward a liberal/moderate candidate. Such a belief gave us George W. Bush. I will not defend Bush on his own addition of $4 trillion to the national debt and a tax policy that has led to 47% of Americans not paying one cent in federal taxes. (In fact, with his refundable credits, he over-turned Clinton's welfare reform.)...



    on this CJ and I can agree.


    Did "I" leave the Republican party?

    or did the GOP leave me?


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    conservativejock saidIt is simple fact that moderate and liberal Republicans believe that in order to capture the White House this year that the party must put forward a liberal/moderate candidate. Such a belief gave us George W. Bush. I will not defend Bush on his own addition of $4 trillion to the national debt and a tax policy that has led to 47% of Americans not paying one cent in federal taxes. (In fact, with his refundable credits, he over-turned Clinton's welfare reform.)...



    on this CJ and I can agree.


    Did "I" leave the Republican party?

    or did the GOP leave me?


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    Both.
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    Jan 29, 2012 10:30 PM GMT
    RickRick91 saidYup.

    The Repubs are nuts to nominate the unlikeable and unelectable Mitt Romneycare.

    Mitt isn't even going to be able to win his home state of MA.
    In fact he will lose MA by double digits.



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    Speaking of forgetful Guy, what state are you living in again these days? I see your BM account shows you living back in Sierra Vista again--- How NUTS are you when you don't even know where you live?
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    RickRick91 saidYup.

    The Repubs are nuts to nominate the unlikeable and unelectable Mitt Romneycare.

    Mitt isn't even going to be able to win his home state of MA.
    In fact he will lose MA by double digits.



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    Speaking of forgetful Guy, what state are you living in again these days? I see your BM account shows you living back in Sierra Vista again--- How NUTS are you when you don't even know where you live?






    Ah, yet another lame unprovoked personal attack from deananne!

    I'm embarrassed for you!

    And not that it's any of your business, but I still own my ranch in AZ as well as my home here.

    But I guess the concept of owning more than one home is just more than you can grasp!
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    Jan 30, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    conservativejock saidIt is simple fact that moderate and liberal Republicans believe that in order to capture the White House this year that the party must put forward a liberal/moderate candidate. Such a belief gave us George W. Bush. I will not defend Bush on his own addition of $4 trillion to the national debt and a tax policy that has led to 47% of Americans not paying one cent in federal taxes. (In fact, with his refundable credits, he over-turned Clinton's welfare reform.)

    Such belief put forward John McCain whose clock was shall we say "cleaned."

    This is my question for all our Romney supporters: is Romney electable if all of the Republican "conservatives" remain at home on November 6, 2012? This IS what occured in 2008.


    It's not too late to nominate Tea Party superstar Sarah Palin. icon_biggrin.gif
    Now that her reality show has been cancelled, she needs a job!
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:12 AM GMT
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    Ah, yet another lame unprovoked personal attack from deananne!

    I'm embarrassed for you!

    And not that it's any of your business, but I still own my ranch in AZ as well as my home here.

    But I guess the concept of owning more than one home is just more than you can grasp!


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    and your attacks on me have always been ok? icon_lol.gif

    Thanks for sharing about your wealth----- still won't make you any more attractive-------

    --- also, I see my family because I love them and not because I want to inherit the family ranch! You sad pathetic fuck. Enjoy your wealth because you "deserve" it---- and now you'll probably have to become a Republican because your wealth will be eaten away by those greedy Liberals!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 30, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
    I really think some of you are seriously under-estimating the potential of a Romney win in the general election. I think he is VERY electable should he get the nomination.
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    Jan 30, 2012 9:08 AM GMT
    RIGuy60 said CJ, we know exactly what we get with Romneybama.

    I'm just sick of voting against somebody. For once, I'd like to vote for someone. Unfortunately, no one's really running who I'm for. Maybe in 2016. icon_confused.gif

    But I'll still cast my vote against this extremist we have in office now. He's gotta go.


    How is President Obama an extremist?
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    Jan 30, 2012 10:24 AM GMT
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    RIGuy60 said CJ, we know exactly what we get with Romneybama.

    I'm just sick of voting against somebody. For once, I'd like to vote for someone. Unfortunately, no one's really running who I'm for. Maybe in 2016. icon_confused.gif

    But I'll still cast my vote against this extremist we have in office now. He's gotta go.


    How is President Obama an extremist?


    His progressive policies are extremist. The ones calling the Tea Party extremists are the extremists themselves. Balanced budget, following the Constitution...I guess those are extremist positions nowadays to most on the Left. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 30, 2012 10:47 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI really think some of you are seriously under-estimating the potential of a Romney win in the general election. I think he is VERY electable should he get the nomination.

    agreed-- Newt is scrappy thoughicon_idea.gif
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    Jan 30, 2012 12:23 PM GMT
    His progressive policies are extremist. The ones calling the Tea Party extremists are the extremists themselves. Balanced budget, following the Constitution...I guess those are extremist positions nowadays to most on the Left.

    Hence err goes the title of this thread

    You wouldn't call the republican hijack of our economy over the point of raising the debt ceiling that brought us teetering on losing our bond rating
    THAT wasn't a WEE bit extremist

    No President Obama is extremist for calling for regulations and allowing Bush Tax cuts to expire

    No wonder you have the careers of comedians flourishing when ever you guys get together
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    RIGuy60 saidHis progressive policies are extremist. The ones calling the Tea Party extremists are the extremists themselves. Balanced budget, following the Constitution...I guess those are extremist positions nowadays to most on the Left. icon_rolleyes.gif

    You don't think Teabaggers are extremists? Waving guns at their rallies, taking them into public meetings to intimidate officials, carrying signs that say they'll "reload" against their political enemies? You guess wrong.

    And their view of the Constitution is completely faulty & warped. The 2nd Amendment is to be followed word-for-word, yet all the rest of the document is subject to right-wing interpretation, such as separation of church & state, or the requirement for States to honor each other's laws regarding marriage.

    As for balanced budgets, it was a Democrat Liberal who last balanced the Federal budget, while the Republican track record isn't so good. This cut-the-deficit cry wasn't heard from Repubs when Bush was running it up for his ill-conceived wars, but the day Obama took office balancing the budget suddenly became the most important thing in the government to the right-wingers.

    And why? Because it provided an excuse to accomplish the destruction of social programs the Republicans have targeted since the New Deal. Like Social Security, and the more recent Medicare, food stamps, school lunch programs, unemployment insurance, the list goes on.

    To either eliminate these programs entirely, or to privatize them for profit with their corporate friends reaping the benefits rather than the people. And of course to lower taxes on their rich political donors, under the dishonest claim that lowering tax rates on the wealthy will stimulate the economy.

    Well, it would, if the economy consisted mainly of yacht companies and providers of other luxuries. The falsehood of that Republican tax claim has already been proven, as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, the rich keeping those tax breaks for themselves and not creating new jobs with them as we were promised.
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    Jan 30, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI really think some of you are seriously under-estimating the potential of a Romney win in the general election. I think he is VERY electable should he get the nomination.

    agreed-- Newt is scrappy thoughicon_idea.gif



    I'm hoping we WON'T have to seriously consider any win. What a nightmare!