What to do with an older dog?

  • melloyello

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    Jan 30, 2012 4:34 AM GMT
    Quick backstory: In 2000 when I was in college a friend of mine gave me a Labrador puppy. I couldn't keep it in the dorm so it ended up with my parents. My mother (around the same time) adopted a teacup poodle that became her baby. They both lived inside and coexisted peacefully and the family loved both these dogs very much.

    Cut to: Yesterday.
    I've been staying with my folks for a few days while I renovate my condo. I'm sleeping and I get woken up by my mom calling me hysterically for help. The lab had bit the poodle and shaken her. I run out the the poor poodle is lying on the ground in a puddle of blood. She died in my hands. When she got bit, an artery was hit. There wasn't anything anyone could have done.

    Only once with another dog had the lab gotten food-aggressive. Shes been the most peaceful, loyal and loving dog ever. Shes very protective of babies and just the day before when I came home the two dogs were sharing a bed on top of each other. It was an unprovoked attack, even when the smaller dog got aggressive the larger one just let her do it. Even now, the dog really can't understand what she did. Its just like something snapped for a second and this happened.

    My mother is devastated. Only if one of her children died could she be more upset. She's spent the last 2 days in bed, crying. She doesn't want the other dog put down but can't look at her since this all happened right in front of her. I've since gotten a cousin of mine to take care of her but that's only temporary for now. I want to take her but I travel for work for weeks at a time so I don't think that would workout. Neither I, nor my vet know of anyone who can place a 12 year old, 100lbs dog that killed another smaller dog, even if it was an isolated incident.

    I can't make heads or tails of this as I was very attached to the smaller dog, but its like losing 2 members of the family now.
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    Jan 30, 2012 4:38 AM GMT
    melloyello saidQuick backstory: In 2000 when I was in college a friend of mine gave me a Labrador puppy. I couldn't keep it in the dorm so it ended up with my parents. My mother (around the same time) adopted a teacup poodle that became her baby. They both lived inside and coexisted peacefully and the family loved both these dogs very much.

    Cut to: Yesterday.
    I've been staying with my folks for a few days while I renovate my condo. I'm sleeping and I get woken up by my mom calling me hysterically for help. The lab had bit the poodle and shaken her. I run out the the poor poodle is lying on the ground in a puddle of blood. She died in my hands. When she got bit, an artery was hit. There wasn't anything anyone could have done.

    Only once with another dog had the lab gotten food-aggressive. Shes been the most peaceful, loyal and loving dog ever. Shes very protective of babies and just the day before when I came home the two dogs were sharing a bed on top of each other. It was an unprovoked attack, even when the smaller dog got aggressive the larger one just let her do it. Even now, the dog really can't understand what she did. Its just like something snapped for a second and this happened.

    My mother is devastated. Only if one of her children died could she be more upset. She's spent the last 2 days in bed, crying. She doesn't want the other dog put down but can't look at her since this all happened right in front of her. I've since gotten a cousin of mine to take care of her but that's only temporary for now. I want to take her but I travel for work for weeks at a time so I don't think that would workout. Neither I, nor my vet know of anyone who can place a 12 year old, 100lbs dog that killed another smaller dog, even if it was an isolated incident.

    I can't make heads or tails of this as I was very attached to the smaller dog, but its like losing 2 members of the family now.
    Have you looked into maybe an assisted living center that might want to take her?
    Elderly folks just love dogs!
  • melloyello

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    Jan 30, 2012 4:39 AM GMT
    I have in the course of speaking with my vet. She was just as shocked as we were.

    Most places like that the first qualification of "Has the dog ever been violent?". I can't exactly lie about that when thats the reason we have to let her go.
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    Jan 30, 2012 4:42 AM GMT
    What were you thinkin about doing to the dog? Putting it down? This is a very hard situation but I really don't think you can hold anything against the dog. It is at that age where it probably has trouble with the easiest things. It was probably just confused at the other dog and attacked. At this point the only thing that I would do is try and care for the older dog. I know it is very difficult to look at it right now, but it still needs your love. It doesn't have much time left it seems. Of course, I wouldn't bring it around other animals at this point and I would watch it very carefully.

    Sorry about the whole situation. Nobody is going to come out the winner. Just love the dog with all you can.....icon_neutral.gificon_neutral.gificon_neutral.gificon_neutral.gif
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    Jan 30, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
    At 12 years old a 100 pound dog probably doesn't have much time left, maybe a year or two. How about instead of freaking the dog out at the end of her life you keep her as happy as you can in your home where she belongs. You can pay for a house sitter when you travel.
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    Jan 30, 2012 4:49 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidWhat were you thinkin about doing to the dog? Putting it down? This is a very hard situation but I really don't think you can hold anything against the dog. It is at that age where it probably has trouble with the easiest things. It was probably just confused at the other dog and attacked. At this point the only thing that I would do is try and care for the older dog. I know it is very difficult to look at it right now, but it still needs your love. It doesn't have much time left it seems. Of course, I wouldn't bring it around other animals at this point and watch it very carefully.

    Sorry about the whole situation. Nobody is going to come out the winner. Just love the dog with all you can.....icon_neutral.gificon_neutral.gificon_neutral.gificon_neutral.gif


    This.

    Dogs may undergo something akin to what advanced elderly humans go through with loss of recognition of related family/packmates (where she may have engaged the poodle as a non-packmate, and therefore a threat).

    If she has no other history of attacking humans - I'd say keep her away from other dogs and care for her as best as you can, while preparing yourself and your family for her eventual (and hopefully natural) entry into rest.
  • melloyello

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    Jan 30, 2012 4:51 AM GMT
    Nobody wants the dog put down. My mother wants "To find her a good home." I was bluntly told that shes in the "hard to place" category and most likely, if she ended up at the pound she'd be euthanized. I'm trying to convince my cousin to keep her because his dog passed away after 17 years recently but I'm not sure if thats going work out.

    I want to keep her, I'm just not sure I could offer the level of care and responsibility needed, especially as she ages, especially since I have a long flight of steps to my place and my yard is not directly attached to the building.

    I'm not mad at the animal at all. I have to say that holding the poodle as she passed and literally having her blood on my hands was one of the most traumatic moments of my life up until now, as was cleaning up after "the attack" so my mother wouldn't come back and see it. I just think in her mind she keeps repeating the incident and seeing the bigger one snatch up the little one. Just a few hours ago she asked me if I thought there was anything anyone could have done to save her.....
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    Jan 30, 2012 5:01 AM GMT
    melloyello saidNobody wants the dog put down. My mother wants "To find her a good home." I was bluntly told that shes in the "hard to place" category and most likely, if she ended up at the pound she'd be euthanized. I'm trying to convince my cousin to keep her because his dog passed away after 17 years recently but I'm not sure if thats going work out.

    I want to keep her, I'm just not sure I could offer the level of care and responsibility needed, especially as she ages, especially since I have a long flight of steps to my place and my yard is not directly attached to the building.

    I'm not mad at the animal at all. I have to say that holding the poodle as she passed and literally having her blood on my hands was one of the most traumatic moments of my life up until now, as was cleaning up after "the attack" so my mother wouldn't come back and see it. I just think in her mind she keeps repeating the incident and seeing the bigger one snatch up the little one. Just a few hours ago she asked me if I thought there was anything anyone could have done to save her.....



    I know this must be hard on your mom, but there has to be a way she can "forgive" the lab for what it has done. Dogs aren't like humans. It didn't set out to murder the other dog for shits & giggles. Try to make your mom understand that the dog is in a desperate situation and still needs her love. You are sending the dog to almost certain death if you send her to the pound at her age. She has been a loyal friend all these years, she still needs your mom's compassion as she gets more frail...
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    Jan 30, 2012 5:11 AM GMT
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    melloyello saidNobody wants the dog put down. My mother wants "To find her a good home." I was bluntly told that shes in the "hard to place" category and most likely, if she ended up at the pound she'd be euthanized. I'm trying to convince my cousin to keep her because his dog passed away after 17 years recently but I'm not sure if thats going work out.

    I want to keep her, I'm just not sure I could offer the level of care and responsibility needed, especially as she ages, especially since I have a long flight of steps to my place and my yard is not directly attached to the building.

    I'm not mad at the animal at all. I have to say that holding the poodle as she passed and literally having her blood on my hands was one of the most traumatic moments of my life up until now, as was cleaning up after "the attack" so my mother wouldn't come back and see it. I just think in her mind she keeps repeating the incident and seeing the bigger one snatch up the little one. Just a few hours ago she asked me if I thought there was anything anyone could have done to save her.....



    I know this must be hard on your mom, but there has to be a way she can "forgive" the lab for what it has done. Dogs aren't like humans. It didn't set out to murder the other dog for shits & giggles. Try to make your mom understand that the dog is in a desperate situation and still needs her love. You are sending the dog to almost certain death if you send her to the pound at her age. She has been a loyal friend all these years, she still needs your mom's compassion as she gets more frail...


    Thanks for your advice. I'm working on this. The dog doesn't understand what happened. When we were standing in front of her talking about it and said the other dogs name her ears perked up and her tail started wagging. She doesn't understand why her "little buddy" is gone.

    I'm hoping I can find a friend with a big yard or some open land that can take her but I think if it comes down to it, I will figure out a way to keep her at my place. Shes 12 but never had any health problems and is fully mobile. I think shes got a few years left.
  • melloyello

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    Jan 31, 2012 5:31 AM GMT
    Well as of now, she's been allowed back on a trial basis. Moms not treating her the same but its a start.

    Thanks guys....
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    Jan 31, 2012 5:34 AM GMT
    Ohhhh please love that dog. When it finally does go, I think your mom might regret treating it so poorly. The dog's love for you hasn't changed. icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 31, 2012 5:51 AM GMT
    It might be the early stages of dementia... dogs start doing things they havent done since they were puppies. Similar to people not remembering years, or becoming hostile or agitated when they are confused. My mother's retriever started going through the trash, unrolling toilet paper. Can't say i know what to do about this particular situation though...
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    Jan 31, 2012 6:31 AM GMT
    Like repeating the offending picture helps?

    Your mom, probably like you, are in shock and needs to grieve.
    Hopefully some semblance of "normalcy" will return with time.
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    Jan 31, 2012 6:50 AM GMT
    Sounds to me more like an accidental death, probably a consequence of the older dog's age. If you mom lived with the dog happily for 10 years I'm thinking losing both dogs would be even more harmful in the long run.

    I'd hazard a guess that the lab will live out its remaining few years in peace if it continues to live with your mom. From what you said it just doesn't sound like an aggressive dog to me and Labs are usually pretty good to begin with in that department.
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    Jan 31, 2012 7:24 AM GMT
    So, bottom line is what to do with a dog that no one wants to take care of?
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    Jan 31, 2012 7:50 AM GMT
    "Art_Deco said
    I'm reporting this to Admin. I hope others do, as well. This isn't humor, it's sick cruelty to another RJ member.

    + 1. Reported.

    That was some of the most fucking cunty ass bullshit I've seen on RJ in a long time. I'm blocking Jack from now on as well. His bullshit is worse than worthless. I don't want to see his retarded fucking face and see that type of cruelty toward another member ever again.

    BLOCKED! "



    Please report the asswipe above who posted that offensive photo. He needs to be removed from this site altogether. What a loser. And has really nothing going for him OBVIOUSLY, based on his personality and lack of humor.

    He's just creepy.

    PLEASE GO TO HIS PROFILE AND REPORT HIM.

    Thanks.
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    Jan 31, 2012 7:51 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Art_Deco said

    I'm reporting this to Admin. I hope others do, as well. This isn't humor, it's sick cruelty to another RJ member.


    + 1. Reported.

    That was some of the most fucking cunty ass bullshit I've seen on RJ in a long time. I'm blocking Jack from now on as well. His bullshit is worse than worthless. I don't want to see his retarded fucking face and see that type of cruelty toward another member ever again.

    BLOCKED!


    I heard people eat dog before but never actually seen a picture of them cooked ... this is too much
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    Jan 31, 2012 8:05 AM GMT
    Wow, those pics are seriously fucked up. Specially on this type of thread.

    Im sorry for what ur going through man. We just put down one of our dogs because he attacked our neighbours sheep and cattle, and he bit me and my dad, so we hadda to let him go. He was a Shepard/ Mutt cross, about 120 lbs. But he had bad health and was starting to get violent. Not sure what to tell you. At least he attacked another one of your dogs, so you're not liable legally. I would try and find another home if possible, but I realise that will be difficult. If you can limit the dogs contact with other animals, and small children, then maybe your mother could keep it, if she can get over the other dogs death.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 31, 2012 8:13 AM GMT
    Wow, very sad story, pretty tramatic for your whole family and I certainly am sorry something like this happened, especially for your mother.

    My suggestion is that your whole family basically get counseling from a dog trainer, somebody who really understands dog behavior and can advise you, especially your mom, what happened here and why. I think it would go a long way in understanding what happened without guessing or opinion.
    A recommendation can be made about the best approach to take with your dog. If nothing else, I think it would make all involved feel that your course of action here is reasonable and responsible.

    Good luck... let us know the outcome!
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    Jan 31, 2012 8:20 AM GMT
    Shit bud I'd take yer dog on a temporary basis bud but we are 1/2 a country away. Hope it works out w/your Mom. My Labs shy away from the cats here even?? They are death on crippled geese and ducks though.
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    Jan 31, 2012 8:21 AM GMT
    REPORTED. Absolutely beyond disgusting.

    To the OP: I'm so sorry you're going through this. I think HndsmKansan offers some good advice here... the input and guidance of a professional in this situation would be valuable. I sincerely hope you're able to come to a solution that is best for everyone.
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    Jan 31, 2012 8:37 AM GMT
    love your dog! it is just like a kid, it made a mistake. it doesnt know why its life has changed so drastically. geezus... if i had a dollar for every time my dog has done something worth punishment id be a millionaire. the fact though is he can't be blamed for his mistake. love him... he loves you and do whatever it takes to get him a home!

    your mom needs therapy, i swear, she is acting as if the dog is like a human, as if he is to blame. all this poor dog is feeling in loneliness and confusion being sent to a foreign home. it sucks that he killed another dog. it sucks especially since it sounds like the dog bit the other one horse playing and accidentally took it too far.
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    Jan 31, 2012 5:11 PM GMT
    Que paso? I missed what all the hoopla was about???
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    Jan 31, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    Really sorry to hear about your trouble. I have a lab that's very aggressive about food, but otherwise the most pleasant peaceful dog ever.

    If you decide not to keep her, there is a New Orleans Lab Rescue that will find a place for her. Rescues are very good about finding a loving, appropriate home for foster dogs and can be certain not to place her with a family that has smaller dogs if that's a concern. But be aware that finding homes for older dogs can be challenging.

    http://www.nolalabrescue.org/
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    Jan 31, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
    Pic of roasted dog. My parents had their dog stolen when they lived in Taiwan...They were sure the same thing happened to him....it's was a shock to me, too, to view the picture here, but a lot worse happens every day that we don't get to see.......


    Anyway, a woman I worked with had a dog for many years and one day she bent down to kiss the top of his head and he bit her so hard that she needed plastic surgery. Dogs get senile the same as humans......icon_sad.gif