Coffee: New World vs Old World

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    Jan 30, 2012 7:52 AM GMT
    As much as I am a new worlder.. living in the old world and tasting their coffees.. Italian, Turkish, Arabic, Vietnamese,.. I have become spoiled with their rich flavours... here in the New World, our coffee sucks... I can barely drink it.. it just doesn't taste like coffee anymore... Coffee beans just dont acquire their proper taste when grown on New World soils.. they have to have grown in African or Middle Eastern soil to get the proper flavour.... I am hereby and henceforth never ever buying New World coffee again!

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    Jan 30, 2012 1:29 PM GMT
    wtf?

    You say this to a Colombian?

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    Jan 30, 2012 1:30 PM GMT
    joevbanana saidwtf?

    You say this to a Colombian?




    LMAO! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Jan 30, 2012 1:39 PM GMT
    GreenHopper saidAs much as I am a new worlder.. living in the old world and tasting their coffees.. Italian, Turkish, Arabic, Vietnamese,.. I have become spoiled with their rich flavours... here in the New World, our coffee sucks... I can barely drink it.. it just doesn't taste like coffee anymore... Coffee plants just dont acquire their proper taste when grown on New World soils.. they have to have grown in African or Middle Eastern soil to get the proper flavour.... I am hereby and henceforth never ever buying New World coffee again!

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    How are you making it, espresso or Mr. Coffee?
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:23 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    How are you making it, espresso or Mr. Coffee?


    Whats mr coffee? I use espresso makers.. my preferred system is Vietnamese.. its extremely slow drip and makes the espresso doubly powerful and bitter and thick
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:24 PM GMT
    joevbanana saidwtf?

    You say this to a Colombian?


    Colombia has some of the best foods Ive ever tasted in South America.. mind you ;)
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
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    despite what kind of coffee you use, the french press always makes the best cup of coffee for me =P
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
    Kona coffee or ban
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:29 PM GMT
    ^ Not a fan
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
    Where have you beem? Of corse anything in america sucks.

    Examples:
    Japan= Technology
    China= Culture
    England= Tea
    France= Romance
    Bulgaria= Fights
    Russia= Weather Fashion
    Africa= Exotic (Amazing) sites
    Arabia= Great royal building
    Egypt= Pyramids
    Canada= Baccoon
    Mexico= Fiestas
    Korea= Art
    Alaska= Survivers
    America= Nothing but copycats.
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    ^ not true!!!

    Tomatoes
    Potatoes
    Beans
    Squash
    Pumpkin
    Peanuts
    Cashews
    Corn
    Chocolate
    Pineapple

    All New World and MUITO DELICIOSO!!! Try and cook a meal anywhere in the world without them, I dare you ;)

    Omg.. just chocolate on its own beats everything from the Old World .. lol
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:51 PM GMT
    Damn Shawn.. SO delicious! And cranberries mmmm!

    Edit: o yeah, I didnt even notice the Canada remark.. yes, the New World includes Canada and Greenland (obviously)
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:56 PM GMT
    MrRunk saidWhere have you beem? Of corse anything in america sucks.

    Examples:
    Japan= Technology
    China= Culture
    England= Tea
    France= Romance
    Bulgaria= Fights
    Russia= Weather Fashion
    Africa= Exotic (Amazing) sites
    Arabia= Great royal building
    Egypt= Pyramids
    Canada= Baccoon
    Mexico= Fiestas
    Korea= Art
    Alaska= Survivers
    America= Nothing but copycats.


    Alaska is America, Gallileo
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    Jan 30, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 said
    MrRunk saidWhere have you beem? Of corse anything in america sucks.

    Examples:
    Japan= Technology
    China= Culture
    England= Tea
    France= Romance
    Bulgaria= Fights
    Russia= Weather Fashion
    Africa= Exotic (Amazing) sites
    Arabia= Great royal building
    Egypt= Pyramids
    Canada= Baccoon
    Mexico= Fiestas
    Korea= Art
    Alaska= Survivers
    America= Nothing but copycats.


    Alaska is America, Gallileo


    Besides, this thread is about the new world.. coffee doesnt even grow in the US
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    Jan 30, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    Dallasfan824 said
    MrRunk saidWhere have you beem? Of corse anything in america sucks.

    Examples:
    Japan= Technology
    China= Culture
    England= Tea
    France= Romance
    Bulgaria= Fights
    Russia= Weather Fashion
    Africa= Exotic (Amazing) sites
    Arabia= Great royal building
    Egypt= Pyramids
    Canada= Baccoon
    Mexico= Fiestas
    Korea= Art
    Alaska= Survivers
    America= Nothing but copycats.


    Alaska is America, Gallileo


    Besides, this thread is about the new world.. coffee doesnt even grow in the US


    I just got one of those nespresso machines. They are awesome. Coffee from all over the world.
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    Jan 30, 2012 3:13 PM GMT
    GreenhopperBesides, this thread is about the new world.. coffee doesnt even grow in the US


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kona_coffee#History
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    Jan 30, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
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    joevbanana saidwtf?

    You say this to a Colombian?


    Colombia has some of the best foods Ive ever tasted in South America.. mind you ;)


    hehe, OK OK, I forgive you.

    I can feed you anytime.

    Well, Colombia has many "special" coffees. We don't export regular coffee anymore. Although, we're not experts in brewing it.

    In Venezuela and in Brasil the Europeans (Italian, Portuguese...) brought the tradition of brewing coffee in different ways, so there you find all kinds of strengths and sizes... Very good, IMHO.

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    Jan 30, 2012 3:49 PM GMT
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    GreenhopperBesides, this thread is about the new world.. coffee doesnt even grow in the US


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kona_coffee#History


    Ok, if you prefer North American US...

    Besides.. Kona is NOT the new world .. Its the Pacific or Oceania... so that proves the point icon_razz.gificon_wink.gif
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    Jan 30, 2012 4:09 PM GMT
    So, I'm an unabashed coffee aficionado, and I don't think that debating the merits of Old vs. New World products is a very productive way to talk about things.

    A good cup of coffee is based on four major criteria:
    1) bean varietals and (for lack of a better term) terroir
    2) the style of blend (or the quality of the single-origin producer)
    3) roast
    4) preparation

    For the purposes of this conversation, I'll leave the last two aside as they're location-independent.

    I generally tell people to try to think about coffee like they think about wine. No one can expect to be taken seriously if they say that only France produces good wines, or than single-varietal wines are objectively "better" than blends, or that any individual varietal is better or worse than any other one. However people routinely say these things about coffee.

    A light roast isn't objectively "better" than a dark roast or a single-origin coffee any better than a blend, it's the skill with which they're crafted. Admittedly, the former of each of those two options will have a more distinct character, but as we know from the human world, having a distinct character doesn't mean you have a pleasant one. Similarly, Arabica beans aren't objectively better than Robusta beans - when people try to serve me "Vietnamese" coffee made with Arabica beans, I feel very, very let down.

    Furthermore, coffee is a cultural experience, rich with tradition and context. People who are sticklers for wine pairing rules are generally looked upon as outdated and sophomoric these days. I drink my coffee black, but Turkish coffee just isn't the same to me unless it's sweetened and spiced with cardamom - just as the rustic, rough flavor of hand-ground Ethiopian coffee, pan-roasted with popcorn isn't "bad" when compared against the uniform-texture of a burr grinder and within-a-degree precision of an industrial roaster. They're different experiences altogether.

    If you're drinking bad coffee in the New World, it's probably due to the product you're buying rather than the origin of the beans you're drinking. An unspecified "house red" wine from a roadside diner is going to be crap whether it's an Italian or Californian winery and whether you're ordering it in Frankfurt or in Topeka.
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    Jan 30, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    that is the most retarded statement i have heard in a long time . American soil is no newer or older than any other soil on earth . i find it odd how we are known as the bread basket of the world because of great soil . last i heard most famine sticken countries are in Africa because of poor soil . i am also not sure that about any large amount of coffee beans being grown in America . the best coffee i ever had was in belize . a lot of coffee is processed in AMERICA but most all beans come form other countries . BTW dumbass , Italian ,Vietnamese coffee is neither African or middle eastern and you say it is your favorite
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    Jan 30, 2012 4:17 PM GMT
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    despite what kind of coffee you use, the french press always makes the best cup of coffee for me =P


    Agreedicon_exclaim.gif Nothing beats a the espresso press for me.
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    Jan 30, 2012 4:25 PM GMT
    unjaded saidthat is the most retarded statement i have heard in a long time . American soil is no newer or older than any other soil on earth . i find it odd how we are known as the bread basket of the world because of great soil . last i heard most famine sticken countries are in Africa because of poor soil . i am also not sure that about any large amount of coffee beans being grown in America . the best coffee i ever had was in belize . a lot of coffee is processed in AMERICA but most all beans come form other countries . BTW dumbass , Italian ,Vietnamese coffee is neither African or middle eastern and you say it is your favorite


    It's not just the soil that affects the beans' flavors. It's also the altitude, longitude, weather, water and the dehydration process itself will affect the flavor.
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    unjaded saidthat is the most retarded statement i have heard in a long time . American soil is no newer or older than any other soil on earth . i find it odd how we are known as the bread basket of the world because of great soil . last i heard most famine sticken countries are in Africa because of poor soil . i am also not sure that about any large amount of coffee beans being grown in America . the best coffee i ever had was in belize . a lot of coffee is processed in AMERICA but most all beans come form other countries . BTW dumbass , Italian ,Vietnamese coffee is neither African or middle eastern and you say it is your favorite


    Sheesh.. someone put on their glasses wrong today.. I said NEW WORLD vs OLD WORLD sir.. not AMERICA.. besides that..it has to do with evolution.. coffee evolved in Africa.. on African soil.. poor or not.. that is its soil of origin.. therefor it has the mixture of minerals and fungi and bacteria etc that it grows best on.. but if you dont believe me.. do the research yourself!
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    Jan 30, 2012 4:29 PM GMT
    gamble said
    If you're drinking bad coffee in the New World, it's probably due to the product you're buying rather than the origin of the beans you're drinking. An unspecified "house red" wine from a roadside diner is going to be crap whether it's an Italian or Californian winery and whether you're ordering it in Frankfurt or in Topeka.


    Well Ive had coffee all over the new world.. I still think its the soil of origin that makes the dif in what Im tasting.. simply because its already in the smell of the bean.. just as soil, it makes a huge difference in the quality of the grape as well.... but tastes differ.. if you like new world coffee.. Im not gonna stop you from drinking it icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 31, 2012 12:54 AM GMT
    Me no drink coffee, so me no care icon_smile.gif
    But I would agree with you.
    I think the world would be a better place if we took a step back and admired some of the things the Old World has learned, we've forgotten, but they continue to exercise.