jpBITCHva saidOne of the things people who think unions are old and outdated don't realize is that every one of those 'work rules' that you all hate so much arose to counteract a specific and widespread type of abuse by employers against their employees. Union leaders didn't sit up all night in some cafeteria and just think these things up. And the abandonment of these rules---like the abandonment of Glass-Steagall in 1999---will lead to a return to the horrors that gave rise to union power to begin with.
Of course, this is what the rightist wants, the ability to run roughshod over a frightened and submissive workforce. This is why the rightist needs to not only be stopped, but actually captured and placed in the stocks in a public square where all decent people can hurl rotten vegetables at them.
Simplistic and painting in very broad brush strokes.
1) Doesn't the fact that the rules do exist today, largely influenced by the unions, indicate that in this particular regard their work is done?
2) Would you agree that unions can become too powerful, bullying companies into unprofitability?
3) How do you explain workers in southeastern states working for auto companies have resisted unionization?
4) Why do unions fear workers having a secret ballot to decide on unionization?
1) As Wisconsin and Indiana prove, gains made by unions can be erased without vigilance. Regulations can be done away with (and have been/are being). As companies grow larger and more powerful and the government is increasingly captured by corporate interests, people power (via unions and other associations) are more critical than ever. That's why they're under attack.
2) No. No company has ever gone under because of unreasonable demands from unions.
3) These are largely economically depressed regions where people are desperate for jobs and the workers have been told that they can keep their jobs if they keep the unions out.
4) Unions don't fear a secret ballot. That's a myth. In fact, even if card check because law, the NLRA would still require a secret ballot before approval.
I call bullshit. I can only imagine you're hiding behind a rather legalistic and marginal interpretation to arrive at these answers but
1. This has nothing to do with big unions but the very fact that workers want the choice of whether or not to be in a union - how is this so difficult for you to understand? Unions depend on coercion and a monopoly on a company's work force. Smaller companies are least able to cope - and businesses are not getting larger - they're getting smaller - particularly in areas of manufacturing where unions are against greater automation and productivity.
2. Ah then those companies must have gone under because of reasonable demands GM comes immediately to mind.
3. No - they're getting new jobs because they've kept the unions out because this allows them to pay based on things like merit and individual contribution. Believe it or not, the world isn't driven by automakers anymore.
4. Yeah so why bother with cardcheck in the first place to coerce people into voting for the union as a collective? Not a myth - the reality is that because people are so unwilling to choose to be part of a union they require the ability to single out holdouts and intimidate them until they submit.
1. People who don't want to be in a union have a choice of going to work in a non-union shop. Unions do not "depend on coercion" and generally only include front line workers - not management. Smaller companies are almost never the target of union activities, so you're either uninformed or purposefully deceitful (as usual) and as with government workers there are ways to eliminate staff either for cause or restructuring, you just can't do it willy-nilly, so your monopoly argument is horseshit.
2. GM did not go bankrupt because of labor costs. There were larger systemic issues and, of course, the recession which hurt all car companies. In fact, the unions were much more willing to negotiate than other stakeholders during restructuring.
3. This is just silly. Union contracts can be structured in any number of ways, including to reward efficiency, innovation, etc.
4. Card check has been proposed because of corporations going to extremes to prevent a majority of workers from unionizing when they want to, including lock outs, illegal harassment and intimidation, violence and a range of other tactics.