Emboldened GOP wants to abolish state income taxes

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    Feb 02, 2012 5:46 AM GMT
    I've always thought it a bit odd to rely on a tax on people's productivity.

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/emboldened-gop-wants-abolish-state-income-taxes-201249619.html

    A year after Republicans swept into office across the country, many have trained their sights on what has long been a fiscal conservative's dream: the steep reduction or even outright elimination of state income taxes.

    The idea has circulated among academics and think-tank researchers for years. But it's moving quietly into mainstream political discourse, despite the fact that such sweeping changes would almost certainly mean a total rewiring of tax systems at a time when most states are still struggling in the aftermath of the recession.

    "I think there's going to be more action that way," especially as Republican governors release their budget plans, said Kim Rueben, an expert on state taxation at the Brookings Urban Tax Policy Center.

    Last year, GOP lawmakers in many states quickly went to work on a new conservative agenda: restricting abortion, cracking down on illegal immigration, expanding gun rights and taking aim at public-employee unions.
    Emboldened by that success, the party has launched income tax efforts in Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma and South Carolina. But it's not clear how all those states would make up for the lost revenue, and Rueben said she's not aware of any state in modern history that has eliminated an income tax.

    Nine states already get by without an income tax, mostly by tapping other sources of revenue. Nevada and Florida rely on sales taxes that target the tourism industry. Alaska has taxes on natural resources, and Texas imposes substantial property taxes. The other five states are: New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington and Wyoming.
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    Feb 02, 2012 6:09 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidI've always thought it a bit odd to rely on a tax on people's productivity.

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/emboldened-gop-wants-abolish-state-income-taxes-201249619.html

    A year after Republicans swept into office across the country, many have trained their sights on what has long been a fiscal conservative's dream: the steep reduction or even outright elimination of state income taxes.

    The idea has circulated among academics and think-tank researchers for years. But it's moving quietly into mainstream political discourse, despite the fact that such sweeping changes would almost certainly mean a total rewiring of tax systems at a time when most states are still struggling in the aftermath of the recession.

    "I think there's going to be more action that way," especially as Republican governors release their budget plans, said Kim Rueben, an expert on state taxation at the Brookings Urban Tax Policy Center.

    Last year, GOP lawmakers in many states quickly went to work on a new conservative agenda: restricting abortion, cracking down on illegal immigration, expanding gun rights and taking aim at public-employee unions.
    Emboldened by that success, the party has launched income tax efforts in Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma and South Carolina. But it's not clear how all those states would make up for the lost revenue, and Rueben said she's not aware of any state in modern history that has eliminated an income tax.

    Nine states already get by without an income tax, mostly by tapping other sources of revenue. Nevada and Florida rely on sales taxes that target the tourism industry. Alaska has taxes on natural resources, and Texas imposes substantial property taxes. The other five states are: New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington and Wyoming.
    LMAO are you deluded!
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    Feb 02, 2012 6:23 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidI've always thought it a bit odd to rely on a tax on people's productivity.

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/emboldened-gop-wants-abolish-state-income-taxes-201249619.html

    A year after Republicans swept into office across the country, many have trained their sights on what has long been a fiscal conservative's dream: the steep reduction or even outright elimination of state income taxes.

    The idea has circulated among academics and think-tank researchers for years. But it's moving quietly into mainstream political discourse, despite the fact that such sweeping changes would almost certainly mean a total rewiring of tax systems at a time when most states are still struggling in the aftermath of the recession.

    "I think there's going to be more action that way," especially as Republican governors release their budget plans, said Kim Rueben, an expert on state taxation at the Brookings Urban Tax Policy Center.

    Last year, GOP lawmakers in many states quickly went to work on a new conservative agenda: restricting abortion, cracking down on illegal immigration, expanding gun rights and taking aim at public-employee unions.
    Emboldened by that success, the party has launched income tax efforts in Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma and South Carolina. But it's not clear how all those states would make up for the lost revenue, and Rueben said she's not aware of any state in modern history that has eliminated an income tax.

    Nine states already get by without an income tax, mostly by tapping other sources of revenue. Nevada and Florida rely on sales taxes that target the tourism industry. Alaska has taxes on natural resources, and Texas imposes substantial property taxes. The other five states are: New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington and Wyoming.


    Too bad the state's expenses don't magically go away because conservatives wish they would -- school, roads, police, infrastructure all cost money. Eliminating state income taxes is a gimmick politicians use to have something to brag about in campaign ads. But it just results in jacking up the taxes on other things to make up the difference. No one is fooled.

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    Feb 02, 2012 1:49 PM GMT
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    KissTheSky said

    Too bad the state's expenses don't magically go away because conservatives wish they would -- school, roads, police, infrastructure all cost money. Eliminating state income taxes is a gimmick politicians use to have something to brag about in campaign ads. But it just results in jacking up the taxes on other things to make up the difference. No one is fooled.

    Funny how the libertarians think it's theft to be charged a tax to help keep Granny out of poverty, but they don't consider it theft for me to be charged for a police force to protect their private property.

    If they had a shred of consistency, and weren't just opportunistic charlatans, the libertarians would be in favor of abolishing the police. Everyone would have to pay for the level of security they wanted to underwrite, via personal bodyguards and private security guards. Why should I pay for someone to protect their boats and mansions? I own a two-bedroom condo.
    Well, "police" is NOT mentioned in said "constitution", therefore its "unconstitutional"!
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    Feb 02, 2012 1:57 PM GMT
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    KissTheSky said

    Too bad the state's expenses don't magically go away because conservatives wish they would -- school, roads, police, infrastructure all cost money. Eliminating state income taxes is a gimmick politicians use to have something to brag about in campaign ads. But it just results in jacking up the taxes on other things to make up the difference. No one is fooled.

    Funny how the libertarians think it's theft to be charged a tax to help keep Granny out of poverty, but they don't consider it theft for me to be charged for a police force to protect their private property.

    If they had a shred of consistency, and weren't just opportunistic charlatans, the libertarians would be in favor of abolishing the police. Everyone would have to pay for the level of security they wanted to underwrite, via personal bodyguards and private security guards. Why should I pay for someone to protect their boats and mansions? I own a two-bedroom condo.


    Apparently, Socal and his friends will take their money and leave the country if Obama wins the election. They ain't paying no stinking taxes....
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    Feb 02, 2012 4:16 PM GMT
    I must have missed the part where Republicans or anyone really said that income taxes were the only way for governments to generate revenues. Consider your straw man slain icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 02, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidI must have missed the part where Republicans or anyone really said that income taxes were the only way for governments to generate revenues. Consider your straw man slain icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why do you keep arguing against things that no one has said? Talk about straw men... icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 02, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidI must have missed the part where Republicans or anyone really said that income taxes were the only way for governments to generate revenues. Consider your straw man slain icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why do you keep arguing against things that no one has said? Talk about straw men... icon_lol.gif


    Oh you must have missed the multiple messages prior to this that suggests this means no other opportunities to raise revenues to pay for services. My bad. Reading isn't for everyone icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 02, 2012 4:26 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 saidI must have missed the part where Republicans or anyone really said that income taxes were the only way for governments to generate revenues. Consider your straw man slain icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why do you keep arguing against things that no one has said? Talk about straw men... icon_lol.gif


    Oh you must have missed the multiple messages prior to this that suggests this means no other opportunities to raise revenues to pay for services. My bad. Reading isn't for everyone icon_wink.gif


    There is no message on this thread that says anything about income taxes being the only way to raise revenue. So you're either high or talking to one of your multiple personalities.
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    Feb 02, 2012 4:38 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 saidI must have missed the part where Republicans or anyone really said that income taxes were the only way for governments to generate revenues. Consider your straw man slain icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why do you keep arguing against things that no one has said? Talk about straw men... icon_lol.gif


    Oh you must have missed the multiple messages prior to this that suggests this means no other opportunities to raise revenues to pay for services. My bad. Reading isn't for everyone icon_wink.gif


    There is no message on this thread that says anything about income taxes being the only way to raise revenue. So you're either high or talking to one of your multiple personalities.


    Ah so you don't acknowledge there are those here who think that it can't be paid for by other means? Who think that if this happens services won't be paid for?
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    Feb 02, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    lol, so riddler wants the US federal gov't to tell States that they can't charge income taxes.

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    As well, let's see what's happening in Texas with no income taxes. Thank the lord for that stimulus money, eh riddler?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/01/texas-used-stimulus-to-cover-97-of-its-deficit/70077/


    ...and it got worse. Currently they're dealing with a 25 billion shortfall.

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-10/markets/30026804_1_budget-shortfall-gop-bastion-insiders
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    Feb 02, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    jpBITCHva saidChristian

    I can't decide if it's sad or comical to watch Riddler's continuing mental deterioration.
    Now he's putting words in your mouth and then arguing with the words he put there.

    Eh, I'm going with comical.


    Did you finally hire a gardener to get the kids off the lawn? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 02, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
    jpBITCHva saidChristian

    I can't decide if it's sad or comical to watch Riddler's continuing mental deterioration.
    Now he's putting words in your mouth and then arguing with the words he put there.

    Eh, I'm going with comical.


    I do find it amusing. He's constantly arguing against statements that no one has made. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 02, 2012 10:55 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidI've always thought it a bit odd to rely on a tax on people's productivity.

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/emboldened-gop-wants-abolish-state-income-taxes-201249619.html

    A year after Republicans swept into office across the country, many have trained their sights on what has long been a fiscal conservative's dream: the steep reduction or even outright elimination of state income taxes.

    The idea has circulated among academics and think-tank researchers for years. But it's moving quietly into mainstream political discourse, despite the fact that such sweeping changes would almost certainly mean a total rewiring of tax systems at a time when most states are still struggling in the aftermath of the recession.

    "I think there's going to be more action that way," especially as Republican governors release their budget plans, said Kim Rueben, an expert on state taxation at the Brookings Urban Tax Policy Center.

    Last year, GOP lawmakers in many states quickly went to work on a new conservative agenda: restricting abortion, cracking down on illegal immigration, expanding gun rights and taking aim at public-employee unions.
    Emboldened by that success, the party has launched income tax efforts in Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma and South Carolina. But it's not clear how all those states would make up for the lost revenue, and Rueben said she's not aware of any state in modern history that has eliminated an income tax.

    Nine states already get by without an income tax, mostly by tapping other sources of revenue. Nevada and Florida rely on sales taxes that target the tourism industry. Alaska has taxes on natural resources, and Texas imposes substantial property taxes. The other five states are: New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington and Wyoming.


    Wonder what their new boss Romney is going to think of that? How will he ever pay for Romneycare?
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    Feb 03, 2012 12:01 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidI've always thought it a bit odd to rely on a tax on people's productivity.


    I've always though it a bit odd that Republicans push for an economy built on consumerism and consumer spending and then taxing and discouraging consumer spending.

    The knife cuts both ways.
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    Feb 03, 2012 12:44 AM GMT
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    isrred said
    riddler78 saidI've always thought it a bit odd to rely on a tax on people's productivity.


    I've always though it a bit odd that Republicans push for an economy built on consumerism and consumer spending and then taxing and discouraging consumer spending.

    The knife cuts both ways.



    It's all a matter of degrees.... Democrats are constantly looking to tax more. As we've seen in the recent fights to extend the Bush tax rates, Republicans have been fighting against raising taxes.


    The Bush tax cuts were MEANT to be temporary. If Reagan was so badass and awesome and made America smell like roses why is it such a bad thought that we raise taxes a SMALL amount to rates that are STILL below those of Reagan's time in office?

    The deficit CANNOT be eliminated through spending cuts alone. Any sane person must realize that there must be spending cuts AND revenue increases.